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supported Bernie. But that is not the case here. My best guess is she supported him to fast track her name in the Dem circles. Who even heard of her before?

And some people who supported Sanders undoubtedly voted for Trump in protest of Clinton's nomination. That does not make them progressive no matter how many posts I read at JPR to the contrary.

(voting for trump)

The only other possibilities is absurd ignorance.

more like, "in 2018 can we put up the best candidates possible to send the most good Dems to the House?"

Not to early to start thinking if anybody needs to be primaried, along with finding good candidates for contested seats.

Whatever one may think of her, she can be controversial for reasons all her own.

I have not understood the embrace of Gabbard she is a very conservative Dem from a strongly Democratic district. Here is her voting record.

I understand support from conservative or moderate Democrats but am very confused how or why self-described progressives would embrace her.


https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/tulsi_gabbard/412532

http://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=house

but she is not.

which is why she is the only one I think well and truly deserves to be primaried.

... congress critters with much better progressive records.

she is physically attractive and charismatic .... but does not represent liberal / progressive values. I simply do not understand.

but Tulsi represents 'the future'

We'll continue to bring attention to her record.

She's #137, in case anyone else got tired of scrolling through the list too.

Democratic districts.

I voted for Hillary.

I supported Bernie because I'm a Progressive, but I've always voted a straight Democratic ticket. I always will unless a true Progressive runs again.

all that it states is that Rep Gabbard did not like the DNC very much -
and how exactly does that make her a conservative?

and opposed Obama's policy in Syria . . So what?

She pretty clearly has evolved on gay rights and the middle east - the
latter illustrated by the endorsement of her current position by Vets
For Peace (I am a member)

Veterans For Peace endorses Rep. Tulsi Gabbard's bill, the Stop Arming Terrorists Act.

https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press-releases/veterans-peace-endorses-gabbard-s-stop-arming-terrorist-act

An F.

she is not very good on women's choice or Eastern Europe

and gets the same PPL as Gabbard.

Should we primary Kaptur?

The main reason being she understands foreign policy very well. NO MORE REGIME CHANGE WARS. NONE!!!!! That was the main reason Bernie liked her and was glad to get her support in the primary. Her support helped him a good deal I'm sure. She definitely didn't hurt him.

I supported Hillary in the general because I think she would have made a very good president. I'm not sure of it. She still has that Henry Kissinger streak in her that so soiled the US during the Nixon years. But she showed herself to be quite willing to change her positions when she was able to study them and think about them. She might even have been a better prez than Bernie would have been. She was cheated out of the election by the criminals in the Republican party (by now about 100% of the party) who were determined to suppress the vote as much as possible and let the voting machines do the rest. I thought from the very beginning that if Bernie could win the primary, he'd have been president. He would have done better versus El Trumpo but I'm not entirely sure he would have won either. Too much corruption. I even think the Mob was in on it at some point or in some way. They were I'm sure 100% in Trump's corner.

need to understand the environment that she was raised in:

Mike Gabbard (her father)

The coconut doesn't fall too far from the tree...

and I was a Young Republican (50 years ago),

my dad was in the KKK, and all my uncles were
violent racists.

I now find all of that totally abhorrent.

What is your point?

Tulsi is NOT a Democrat, the same as her father. They only wear the label, but are in fact DINOs and represent the small right-wing in my state.

but if you wish to persuade, you need clear evidence.

In the absence of that, you're just name calling.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8559576

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tulsi-gabbard-met-with-assad_us_58891f5ce4b0737fd5cb6d29

Tulsi is only a democrat to win elections in HI. She is a republican and now with possible ties to putin's dark money based.

and cudos to your post...I can't stand a bluedog Democrat...personally, who allegedly is watching my back, they never have never will, hell they didn't even support a great POTUS for the last 8years.

She is not though.

From some parts of the country, for now. But Hawaii isn't one of those places. We surely should be able to find a young up and coming progressive from her district to primary Gabbard.

In dem strongholds. It's a good strategy.

Subversion and trickery is a good way to move ahead politically there. Republicans in Democrats clothing is not far fetched there.

that his reason for switching to the Democratic Party was exactly that:

Tulsi is no different from her father.

"no different" from my own KKK dad.

Guilt by association via the old "sins of the father" trick.

Not close to convincing.

But thanks for being civil . .

Tulsi isn't "guilty" of anything except for not being a Democrat, and being a DINO. She is basically a "centrist" and I am a Democrat who prefers Democratic politicians who are traditional Democrats.

I have lived in Hawaii for 65 years, and watched both Tulsi and her father progress through the political ranks here. I recall TV ads where the father, Mike, posed with his family in support of "traditional marriage." Steve Case was another DINO who hurt our cause more than he helped it, and Tulsi isn't much different.

But, each to his/her own brand of politics. Peace...

I not sure she is a legit democrat.

does she vote with democrats? What has she done that makes her a democrat?

And how has this kind of strategy worked for us so far?

There were very good proven reasons to distrust the DNC and Devious Debbie and her dismal record of re-electing Democrats. I'm not going to rehash all that.

And the Democrats have also been caught up in PC hand-wringing for too long about the threat of terrorism and linking it to a specific religion. A religion that teaches its followers that its ok to kill non-believers. A whopping 60% of those in moderate Muslim countries believe that the death penalty is perfectly fine for that "crime". Religion is a festering sore on society, and the Islamic religion is the most insidiously dangerous of the lot because it is set up as the perfect base to build a radical violent opposition to liberalism around the world. I'm with Bill Maher on this. Of course the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful and don't want trouble. And of course Trump is going way too far the other way with an outright ban. But Democrats have disregarded the angst in society about Islamic religion influenced radicals, whether it is overblown or not.

Obama made a mistake in Syria. He's a nice guy and just wanted to avoid conflict. (As was his tactic too often with the hostile GOP houses as well.) He withdrew and Russia stepped into the void and now has the greater influence and power. Hillary Clinton criticized Obama for his refusal to implement a no-fly zone in Syria. I'm sure Hillary and Tulsi would agree on a lot of things in that area.

And an assault weapons ban? Sure we'd love to see that again, but one has to pick ones battles at the right time.

She is a progressive on the issues that matter such as SS, civil rights, and the economy :

http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Tulsi_Gabbard.htm


This kind of self-immolation nit picking will get us nowhere.

Progressive than Gabbard is, even with Hillary's tendency to favor military action - on all the rest, she was a strong progressive. If people could not get in line behind Hillary, why should they expect others to get in line behind Tulsi? I for one don't like party infighting, but at the same time, we have to feel that our representatives are truly on our side.

Did you read that link to her positions on SS, medicare, medicaid, women's rights, gay marriage, small business, etc.? No Democratic candidate's positions can perfectly mesh with every Democratic voter, but she is right on the issues much more than she may be wrong.

I was "ok" with Hillary yes, even though I supported Sanders. I thought she was wrong about Iraq, but she was not wrong about taking a strong position on Syria and Assad back when it would have mattered, when he didn't have the same Russian support, when the moderate opposition was the strongest. A no fly zone might have been a good idea. Now its come down to chosing between Assad/Putin or ISIS.

She is a progressive icon when she's not.

so since you obvously did not go to the link of her positions, here it is. She may not tick off ALL the progressive boxes, but I'd say most are covered. Certainly compared to any of the GOP and more than a few Democrats. It very much seems like thou dost protest a wee bit to much on someone who coincidentally happened to support the candidate you not only opposed by seemingly despised.

I could list a number of Blue Dog DINOs that were clear Hillary supporters whose progressive credentials pale in comparison to Tulsi's. I wonder why you don't pick on them?


Tulsi Gabbard on Abortion

I consider myself pro-choice. (Sep 2012)
Ban anti-abortion limitations on abortion services. (Feb 2014)
Endorsed Endorsed by EMILY's list for pro-choice Democratic women. (Aug 2012)


Tulsi Gabbard on Budget & Economy
Click here for 2 full quotes on Budget & Economy OR background on Budget & Economy.

Voted NO on prioritizing spending in case debt limit is reached. (May 2013)
Supports federal stimulus spending. (Sep 2012)

Tulsi Gabbard on Civil Rights
Click here for 4 full quotes on Civil Rights OR background on Civil Rights.

Voted YES on reauthorizing the Violence Against Women Act. (Feb 2013)
Endorsed by The Feminist Majority indicating a pro-women's rights stance. (Aug 2012)
Supports same-sex marriage. (Sep 2012)
Enforce against wage discrimination based on gender. (Feb 2013)

Tulsi Gabbard on Corporations
Click here for 3 full quotes on Corporations OR background on Corporations.

Small businesses are true job creators, not big corporations. (Nov 2012)
Voted NO on workforce training by state block grants & industry partners. (Mar 2013)
Supports tax incentives for job creation. (Sep 2012)

Tulsi Gabbard on Crime
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Rated 85% by the NAPO, indicating a tough-on-crime stance. (Dec 2014)

Tulsi Gabbard on Drugs
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Exclude industrial hemp from definition of marijuana. (Jun 2013)
Exempt industrial hemp from marijuana laws. (Jun 2013)

Tulsi Gabbard on Education
Click here for background on Education.

No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.


Tulsi Gabbard on Energy & Oil
Click here for 2 full quotes on Energy & Oil OR background on Energy & Oil.

Tax incentives for wind, solar, biomass and wave energy. (Nov 2012)
Supports regulating greenhouse gas emissions. (Sep 2012)

Tulsi Gabbard on Environment
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Require labeling genetically engineered food. (Apr 2013)

Tulsi Gabbard on Families & Children
Click here for the full quote on Families & Children OR background on Families & Children.

More funding & services for victims of domestic violence. (Jan 2013)

Tulsi Gabbard on Foreign Policy
Click here for the full quote on Foreign Policy OR background on Foreign Policy.

$500M and 3,000 troops to Africa to fight Ebola. (Jul 2014)

Tulsi Gabbard on Free Trade
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$25B more loans from Export-Import Bank. (Feb 2015)

Tulsi Gabbard on Government Reform
Click here for 2 full quotes on Government Reform OR background on Government Reform.

Establish "My Voice Voucher" small campaign contributions. (Feb 2014)
Automatic voter registration for all citizens. (Mar 2015)

Tulsi Gabbard on Gun Control
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No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Tulsi Gabbard on Health Care
Click here for the full quote on Health Care OR background on Health Care.

Opposes repealing ObamaCare. (Sep 2012)

Tulsi Gabbard on Homeland Security
Click here for 3 full quotes on Homeland Security OR background on Homeland Security.

Supports reducing defense spending. (Sep 2012)
Endorsed by VoteVets.org; against wasteful defense spending. (Nov 2012)
End bulk data collection under USA PATRIOT Act. (Oct 2013)

Tulsi Gabbard on Immigration
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Relax onerous visa requirements for Indian & Chinese tourism. (Nov 2012)

Tulsi Gabbard on Jobs
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Voted NO on allowing compensatory time off for working overtime. (Apr 2013)
Raise the minimum wage to $10.10 per hour by 2016. (Jan 2014)


Tulsi Gabbard on Principles & Values
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No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Tulsi Gabbard on Social Security
Click here for 2 full quotes on Social Security OR background on Social Security.

No budget cuts to Medicare and Social Security. (Nov 2012)
Rated 100% by ARA, indicating a pro-Trust Fund stance. (Jan 2013)

Tulsi Gabbard on Tax Reform
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Supports an income tax increase. (Sep 2012)

Tulsi Gabbard on Technology
Click here for the full quote on Technology OR background on Technology.

Voted NO on protecting cyber security by sharing data with government. (Apr 2013)


Tulsi Gabbard on War & Peace
Click here for 2 full quotes on War & Peace OR background on War & Peace.

End our involvement in Afghanistan. (Nov 2012)
Opposes combat operations in Afghanistan. (Sep 2012)

Tulsi Gabbard on Welfare & Poverty
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Voted NO on maintaining work requirement for welfare recipients. (Mar 2013)

...as much as the DUers you cite.

That was over months ago.

Its ok to just stop. You could make the same OP about wanting to put a more progressive liberal in office without even mentioning the primary war accusation.

You could, but you didn't

She has a problem with her record...because she is not as progressive as Hawaii would allow, at a time when it REALLY fucking counts.

Her post could have stayed focused on that, but she didn't.

About disliking gabbard because of the Bernie connection so I thought it best to list out the reason why it wasn't so

Context matters

Responding to people who accuse you of primary partisanship in the thread where it happens achieves your goal of addressing the perception but not continuing the primary wars.

Here is why:
Some people may be very interested in your postings, but assume that it is some subset of all DUers. Unless someone is following those threads where you say you were accused of extended primary partisanship, no one who isn't reading the original problematic subthreads is looking for you to defend yourself.

Take someone like me who doesn't read many of your posts. All I see is your defensive OP title in GD doth protesting too much about your dislike of Tusi being attributed to her support of Bernie Sanders. You bring in more people in the squabble by making it an OP IMO.

Your first point in the OP is "1. The primaries are over. Well and truly over. ", but the OP title seems to shout otherwise.

Democrat Tulsi Gabbard Defends ‘Frank and Positive’ Trump Meeting

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/why-democratic-rep-tulsi-gabbard-met-donald-trump-n686976

She's my Rep and I blocked her damn emails long before I knew who she was supporting..

she was always on foxscrews slamming President Obama.

as well as many of the posts above . .

attack Gabbard for NOT being a war monger.

Waaaaaaa?

Veterans For Peace

Maybe that should be stinks to hell.

and has an history of homophobic bigotry.

Sid

That was a really stupid move on her part. She is showing really bad judgment