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Comatose Sphagetti

(836 posts)
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 12:52 PM Jan 2017

Authoritarian followers

I used to believe that with religious people, Jesus and the teachings of patience, tolerance, compassion, love, humility and understanding were paramount.

This election proved me wrong.

A true follower would not support someone who mocks the disabled, etc., etc., ad infinitum.
So it has become painfully clear these people are authoritarian followers first, followers of the teachings of Christ somewhere else down the line.
Every trump supporter I know is highly religious. So by definition you cannot reach them with logic.
Rest assured now that they have the reins of power, they will try to implement an authoritarian Christian theocracy at the state and federal level.
This is not a disagreement over conservative versus progressive ideologies... It is highly religious, very scared authoritarian followers (read Altemeyer: The Authoritarians) trying to impose their values on the rest of humanity.

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Authoritarian followers (Original Post) Comatose Sphagetti Jan 2017 OP
I see it in their disdain for protests treestar Jan 2017 #1
I've read Altemeyer's book twice now. octoberlib Jan 2017 #2
Religion is the opium of the masses BSdetect Jan 2017 #3
Breaks my heart that my fellow Christians behave the way they do and voted for evil. hrmjustin Jan 2017 #4
Whatever it may mean to be a Christian, they are not Christians pangaia Jan 2017 #6
K n r Achilleaze Jan 2017 #5
this is THE problem w religion. mopinko Jan 2017 #7
Strugglilng to make sense of Trump's authoritarian shit show? Snarkoleptic Jan 2017 #8
People who belong to religious denominations that encourage The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #9
Well said. (EOM) Comatose Sphagetti Jan 2017 #11
Half of them would have zero compunction about sending people to the gas chamber dalton99a Jan 2017 #10

treestar

(82,383 posts)
1. I see it in their disdain for protests
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 12:53 PM
Jan 2017

They will say "at least we didn't riot (their word for protest) as if that makes them look virtuous. I want to ask them, is there nothing that would make you protest? No matter how bad things got from your point of view, you would never protest? That tells me they are authoritarian followers who are smug in their pride that they always do as they are told.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
4. Breaks my heart that my fellow Christians behave the way they do and voted for evil.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 12:55 PM
Jan 2017

But we have 2000 years of Christians behaving badly for the sake of doctrinal purity and ignorance.

mopinko

(70,111 posts)
7. this is THE problem w religion.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 01:09 PM
Jan 2017

it warps the mind and the conscience, and turns follows into parrots.

read also, john dean "conservatives with out conscience"

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
8. Strugglilng to make sense of Trump's authoritarian shit show?
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 01:17 PM
Jan 2017

This is an important work on the subject, and it's free!

Bob Altemeyer's - The Authoritarians

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

The feedback I’ve gotten from those who have read The Authoritarians enables me to give you the major reason why you might want to do so too. “It ties things together for me,” people have said, “You can see how so many things all fit together.” “It explains the things about conservatives that didn’t make any sense to me,” others have commented. And the one that always brings a smile to my face, “Now at last I understand my brother-in-law” (or grandmother, uncle, woman in my car pool, Congressman, etc.).

Maybe it’ll work that way for you too.

Bob Altemeyer
May, 2010

OK, what’s this book about? It’s about what’s happened to the American government lately. It’s about the disastrous decisions that government has made. It’s about the corruption that rotted the Congress. It’s about how traditional conservatism has nearly been destroyed by authoritarianism. It’s about how the “Religious Right” teamed up with amoral authoritarian leaders to push its un-democratic agenda onto the country. It’s about the United States standing at the crossroads as the next federal election approaches.

“Well,” you might be thinking, “I don’t believe any of this is true.” Or maybe, you’re thinking, “What else is new? I’ve believed this for years.” Why should a conservative, moderate, or liberal bother with this book? Why should any Republican, Independent, or Democrat click the “Whole Book” link on this page?

Because if you do, you’ll begin an easy-ride journey through some very relevant scientific studies I have done on authoritarian personalities--one that will take you a heck of a lot less time than the decades it took me. Those studies have a direct bearing on all the topics mentioned above. So if you think the first paragraph is a lot of hokum, or full of half-truths, I invite you to look at the research.

For example, take the following statement: “Once our government leaders and the authorities condemn the dangerous elements in our society, it will be the duty of every patriotic citizen to help stomp out the rot that is poisoning our country from within.” Sounds like something Hitler would say, right? Want to guess how many politicians, how many lawmakers in the United States agreed with it? Want to guess what they had in common?

Or how about a government program that persecutes political parties, or minorities, or journalists the authorities do not like, by putting them in jail, even torturing and killing them. Nobody would approve of that, right? Guess again.

Don’t think for a minute this doesn’t concern you personally. Let me ask you, as we’re passing the time here, how many ordinary people do you think an evil authority would have to order to kill you before he found someone who would, unjustly, out of sheer obedience, just because the authority said to? What sort of person is most likely to follow such an order? What kind of official is most likely to give that order, if it suited his purposes? Look at what experiments tell us, as I did.

If, on the other hand, you’re way ahead of me, and believe the extreme right-wing elements in America are poised to take it over, permanently, I think you can still get a lot from this book. The studies explain so much about these people. Yes, the research shows they are very aggressive, but why are they so hostile? Yes, experiments show they are almost totally uninfluenced by reasoning and evidence, but why are they so dogmatic? Yes, studies show the Religious Right has more than its fair share of hypocrites, from top to bottom; but why are they two-faced, and how come one face never notices the other? Yes, their leaders can give the flimsiest of excuses and even outright lies about things they’ve done wrong, but why do the rank and file believe them? What happens when authoritarian followers find the authoritarian leaders they crave and start marching together?

I think you’ll find this book “explains a lot.” Many scattered impressions about the enemies of freedom and equality become solidified by science and coherently connected here.

You think I’m pulling your leg? Click the link.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,706 posts)
9. People who belong to religious denominations that encourage
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 01:33 PM
Jan 2017

an authoritarian world-view (God as the strict, punishing father) and/or have an authoritarian hierarchy (you must obey the clergy and accept what they say without question) are probably going to be Trump supporters. These are mainly the fundamentalist Protestant denominations and conservative Catholics. Some other denominations (e.g., Episcopalians, ELCA Lutherans, Unitarians, UCC) tend to encourage free thought rather than unthinking obedience. Members of these denominations tend to be liberal.

There isn't a perfect Venn diagram overlap suggesting that all Trump supporters are religious as opposed to all atheists being liberal. I know a couple of Trumpers who wouldn't set foot in a church except at gunpoint, but they are all in for Trump because they think he'll cut their taxes and they hated Hillary. The fact that Trump is actively furthering right-wing Christian dominionism doesn't seem to bother them in the least. But these people are also authoritarian followers in the sense that they love the idea of a "strong" leader and a military that can crush everybody else's. They are the flag-waving America First types. So it seems to me that the characteristic most likely to predict support for Trump is authoritarianism more than religion.

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