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I think it's OK to post this here. I'm just posting this because the Murdoch perspective was interesting. I believe MarketWatch is owned by Murdoch?
Please don't think this is an Obama bashing, I'm just posting this as it's interesting to see what is being said.
See >>> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obamas-four-biggest-failures-2012-06-25
Actual liberals, socialists and closet Marxists have a different view: Obama is pragmatic moderate who resembles Dwight Eisenhower more than he does Che Guevara.
Liberals were early and enthusiastic supporters of Obama in 2008. They liked his anti-war stance, and they were moved by the vision of a less-partisan and more enlightened future they thought they heard in his rhetoric.
Liberals loved the Obama of 2008; the one of 2012, not so much.
Four years later, liberals are disappointed in Obama, although they will hold their noses to vote for him, contribute money to him and volunteer to campaign for him. But they wont like it.
Lest you think Im exaggerating, consider this: MoveOn.org, a leading liberal grassroots organization, officially backed candidate Obama on Feb. 1, 2008, an early endorsement that helped him defeat Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination.
But this year, MoveOn didnt get around to endorsing Obama until just last week, despite the fact that there is no liberal alternative. One top leader of MoveOn said that members had moved on to other candidates who excited them more, such as Elizabeth Warren in Massachusetts.
Liberals will vote for Obama over Mitt Romney, but they arent happy with him. And here are the four biggest reasons why they arent:
See >>> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obamas-four-biggest-failures-2012-06-25
DearAbby
(12,461 posts)duped by Obama's centrist position. Sorry I was not that stupid. I knew Obama was right of me in his positions. I voted for him KNOWING this. I didn't expect Obama to be a Liberal. Why should we be disappointed? Didn't people pay attention to what he said, looked at his voting record?
I don't buy it. I don't buy the Liberals are upset with Obama because he isn't liberal enough. Give me a fuking break. It's crap. Seriously.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)know things could be a hell of a lot worse. Also, given the political climate of this country, anymore, and all of the hatred, he has a very tough path to navigate.
SoutherDem
(2,307 posts)I never expected miracles. I knew where he stood and I understand the congress he has had to work with, including some of the Democrats.
Perhaps we need to start electing kings or dictators who can do whatever they wish.
Would I like for somethings to be different? Yes. But, with only one or two areas I felt I have gotten what I voted for or at least he tried.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)And wish we were concentrating on that. But I find myself arguing with other liberals who say they are disappointed. Granted they tend to be young and saddled with a difficult job market and student loans.
edited to add:
Some fear expanding war, and being caught up in it too Young people turned out for Obama in 2008. I worry that crazy Rom Paul has their number promising them no war and no war on drugs and that they don't look much further....
Nothing scares me more than Ron Paul.
DearAbby
(12,461 posts)then we would have more weight in the debate.
I am a liberal, who do I vote for that is closer to my political views? Obama or Romney? Third party isn't an option. I take the view, this election will be the last one that may count. I am not going to waste it on a third party. I will be voting for Obama, there is no alternative. With Citizen's United, all future elections are null and void. THIS ELECTION IS OUR LAST.
VOTE WISELY.
They will have the whole shooting match after this election.
Government
Courts
Resources
WE LOSE.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)country with Citizen's United is IMO going to be disastrous for the future of the US for the majority. I'm not sure where it's headed for sure, but I think it's going to be horrible.
DearAbby
(12,461 posts)I was a nurse aid in a nursing home for 13 yrs. The job is demanding. There are times the 8 hour shift isn't enough time for you to get what you are required done.
Save time:
When giving female resident a choice in what she will wear for the day. Do you fling open the closet and let her sit there looking at all the choices, or do I take out two dresses, and say which one?
She still feels in control, she got to decide, vote.
I was in control, I picked the choices, she just had to vote on my selection.
Now you get my drift. This is our last election folks. We have to vote the best possible chance for this country, the alternative.....?
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)TheWraith
(24,331 posts)...or conservative enough for the hyper-conservatives. That's the way politics works. The fringes don't get their ideal candidate. The left is never going to elect Bernie Sanders, and the right is never going to elect Zombie Adolf Hitler Reagan. But that never stops the complaining, particularly about how they supposedly "misrepresented" themselves, or they're not a real Democrat/Republican, even though they're closer to the mainstream of the party than the complaining fringe.
It's a tradition that goes all the way bac. Most people don't realize that FDR got the exact same crap from the left: not strong enough, not radical enough, too many compromises, etcetera.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)This article is BS right out of the box.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)the alternative is so loathsome isn't it?
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Bottom line it's soft-sell manipulation to suppress voter turnout.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)description earlier, "soft-sell manipulation to suppress voter turnout." ... trying to start 2010 turnout again.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)1. Didn't end the depression (Stimulus too small, financial reform not enough, foreclosure still a prob)
2. Continued Bush's war policies (Guantanamo, Rendition, Wiretapping)
3. Has not changed Washington
4. Has not done anything meaningful to combat Global Warming
Just in case people feel like not clicking on a link that might support Murdock. But it's not an unreasonable article in that it does sum up the common complaints from the left. That said how do we combat this? Because we really do need to reignite some passion on the democratic side and get everyone to turn out and vote.....especially since the right has been working feverishly to suppress turnout.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)was getting too long for the four paragraph rule.
blue neen
(12,322 posts)If I want to know what Murdoch thinks, I can ask my Republican neighbors.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)politics. We have to live together in the same neighborhood. Two things I never bring up with them, politics and religion. We stick to things like isn't the weather nice today, yep, and then well, gotta go now.
blue neen
(12,322 posts)It's all in how you say certain things.
kentuck
(111,104 posts)...and I agree with some of it. It's difficult for me to call President Obama a "liberal"...
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)there. I don't agree with everything he's done, but it sure could be worse these days.