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http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/06/25-5Published on Monday, June 25, 2012 by Common Dreams
Private Insurance Mandate Is Perfect Symbol of Obama's Central Mistake
by Cenk Uygur
The individual mandate in the health care law was originally proposed by the Heritage Foundation, the most conservative think tank in the country. It was supported by almost every Republican in the country, including the first President Bush, Mitt Romney and conservative stalwarts like Orrin Hatch. Simply put, it was a conservative idea. There is no question about that; it is a fact.
Let me immediately digress to point out how terrible our media is since about 2% of the country knows that fact. If you asked the average American now, I'm sure they would say it was a liberal idea originally proposed by Barack Obama. Another fact -- Barack Obama was originally opposed to the mandate during his campaign for president.
So, this brings us to the central problem with President Obama's administration. They were under the unbelievably mistaken impression that if they worked with the Republicans, comprised with them and gave them what they wanted, that the Republicans would react likewise. Progressives (and anyone that was paying attention to politics in the last decade) warned them that would not be the case. We were dismissed. Now look at what's happened.
Not only did the Republicans not thank the president for including their mandate in the health care law, they have turned around and pretended they are against it. But of course it goes much deeper than that. In fact, they are now using it as the principal argument to take down the whole law.
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TheWraith
(24,331 posts)And to read his constant bashing of Obama while giving a pass to the Republicans on everything, he apparently still is.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)PB
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
ihavenobias
(13,532 posts)I get that you despise criticism of President Obama, but try a *little* harder. I went to the TYT YouTube channel and found this in the last week alone:
MsPithy
(809 posts)Thanks.
ihavenobias
(13,532 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)stupidicus
(2,570 posts)that's not near as bad as suggesting that BHO misjudged the integrity of rightwingnuts, despite them having a long track record of lacking any, and making it clear at the onset, that making him a one termer was their #1 priority. That's like expecting the bully to shake your hand and be pals, with all the evidence pointing to them having one interest -- rubbing your nose in the turds they kick outta ya.
and I'd bet he was praising them for weeks and months before then...lol
girl gone mad
(20,634 posts)Recycled Heritage Foundation plans are no better when pushed by Third Way "Democrats".
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)leftstreet
(36,109 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)So what?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Or should the generals have been held accountable for not getting their jobs done?
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)you can't contest his point, just change the subject like an expert
odd, having listened to and read Cenk for several years, I'd characterize him as an equal opportunity basher like me, as is easily supported
http://www.google.com/search?q=cenk+uygur++republicans&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGHP_en
given this falsehood "while giving a pass to the Republicans on everything", how would you rate your intellect level or integrity on a scale of 1-10?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Well,
there goes ANY credibility you had left on DU.
At least Attacking the Messenger based on facts, though it IS a Logical Fallacy, has some limited worth,
but outright false smears do nothing for DU or the propagators of the lies.
Cenk has been very consistent in his opposition to Conservative Values,
and his support FOR Traditional Democratic Party Values.
He constructed an air tight case in the link at the OP.
Hillary is also a former Republican.
Will you tar her with the same brush?
You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
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abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)"Not only did the Republicans not thank the president for including their mandate in the health care law, they have turned around and pretended they are against it. But of course it goes much deeper than that. In fact, they are now using it as the principal argument to take down the whole law."
Is sad but true. The mandate has been something insurance companies through republicans have been pushing for for decades.
I do not always agree with Cenk. He certainly pissed me off having that POS Matt Stoller on his show recently. But the mandate is a dream come true for insurance companies. Without it they will go bankrupt. That's why I don't think the mandate will be struck down because as much as tea partiers foam at the mouth about it the real backers of the republican party (corporations) love it. So only a complete undoing of HCR will benefit republicans and their monied backers.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)I really don't understand how this is "pretending": http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=505489
They are against it because all it takes is one piece of legislation, a public option non-profit government insurer, and the insurance companies are mostly out of business.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)But they've used the mandate to whip up outrage and support from their base. Putting them in the spot where they can't just do away with the mandate. They court will have to have reasons for wiping the entire law out.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)That's why we lose. The right wing drives the narrative.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Part of what makes the accusation that we have a liberal media laughable.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Democrats opposed the MANDATE on Traditional Democratic Party Values without
being "driven" by anybody.
As Cenk points out,
many here supported Obama because HE opposed the Mandate.
Was HE being "driven" by the Right Wing when he promised that?
Your attempt to discredit mainstream FDR/LBJ Democrats
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There IS opinion here being "driven" by the Right Wing,
but it is not those who are standing for Traditional Democratic Party Values.
You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
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joshcryer
(62,276 posts)The rise of the Tea Party was basically manufactured though and I'm not sure it could've been foreseen.
Meanwhile, the right wing tends to be the more opposed to ACA: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=505489
GarroHorus
(1,055 posts)I used to watch it until they hired him.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Cenk or Krugman, who was and still is for it.
This is telling, in a couple of ways.
First, the health care mandate has nothing to do with debt and deficits. So this is naked blackmail: the GOP is trying to use the threat of financial catastrophe to impose its policy vision, even in areas that have nothing to do with the issue at hand, a vision that it lacks the votes to enact through normal legislation.
Second, this is a demand Obama cant accept, unless he plans on changing his party registration. Health reform doesnt work without a mandate (remember the primary? Maybe better not to). And if health reform is undermined, Obama will have achieved nothing. So by adding this demand, Republicans were in effect saying no deal unless, I guess, they believed that Obama is a total pushover.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/naked-blackmail/
I'll stick with Krugman.
Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)so he can hit the left from what is allegedly the left was a brilliant move on the part of the right.
And it's working.
GarroHorus
(1,055 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)That was just 3-dimensional chess on the part of the GOP?
Come back with some facts please.
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Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)- K&R
upi402
(16,854 posts)and is making amends in a huge way!
mzmolly
(50,996 posts)over and over again.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)mzmolly
(50,996 posts)were essential to passing HCR... It's often the same people who suggested that it doesn't matter if a D or an R appoints members of the SCOTUS.
Bizarre.