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Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:11 PM Jun 2012

Cenk Uygur: Private Insurance Mandate Is Perfect Symbol of Obama's Central Mistake

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/06/25-5

Published on Monday, June 25, 2012 by Common Dreams
Private Insurance Mandate Is Perfect Symbol of Obama's Central Mistake
by Cenk Uygur

The individual mandate in the health care law was originally proposed by the Heritage Foundation, the most conservative think tank in the country. It was supported by almost every Republican in the country, including the first President Bush, Mitt Romney and conservative stalwarts like Orrin Hatch. Simply put, it was a conservative idea. There is no question about that; it is a fact.

Let me immediately digress to point out how terrible our media is since about 2% of the country knows that fact. If you asked the average American now, I'm sure they would say it was a liberal idea originally proposed by Barack Obama. Another fact -- Barack Obama was originally opposed to the mandate during his campaign for president.

So, this brings us to the central problem with President Obama's administration. They were under the unbelievably mistaken impression that if they worked with the Republicans, comprised with them and gave them what they wanted, that the Republicans would react likewise. Progressives (and anyone that was paying attention to politics in the last decade) warned them that would not be the case. We were dismissed. Now look at what's happened.

Not only did the Republicans not thank the president for including their mandate in the health care law, they have turned around and pretended they are against it. But of course it goes much deeper than that. In fact, they are now using it as the principal argument to take down the whole law.

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Cenk Uygur: Private Insurance Mandate Is Perfect Symbol of Obama's Central Mistake (Original Post) Karmadillo Jun 2012 OP
Just like most people don't know Ceny was originally a Republican. TheWraith Jun 2012 #1
I'll always trust a reformed Republican over a turncoat Democrat. nt Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #2
Amen To THAT !!! WillyT Jun 2012 #28
Amen to that. n/t Summer Hathaway Jun 2012 #3
+1...nt SidDithers Jun 2012 #4
Giving a pass to the Republicans on everything? ihavenobias Jun 2012 #5
Nicely done! MsPithy Jun 2012 #23
Thanks. Here are two from today, hot off the presses ihavenobias Jun 2012 #31
You Tell 'Em !!! WillyT Jun 2012 #30
but, but stupidicus Jun 2012 #35
Just like the mandate was originally Republican idea. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #6
+1 nashville_brook Jun 2012 #11
+1 leftstreet Jun 2012 #21
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Jun 2012 #29
I knew that. Hissyspit Jun 2012 #14
Was Lincoln giving a pass to the Confederacy when he fired his losing generals? MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #18
in other words stupidicus Jun 2012 #24
"while giving a pass to the Republicans on everything"...TheWraith bvar22 Jun 2012 #39
This... abelenkpe Jun 2012 #7
Wait, you think they're pretending when the announce their opposition to it? joshcryer Jun 2012 #10
I think they want to do away with the entire HCR abelenkpe Jun 2012 #12
It's worked well. They've driven the narrative on the left, as well. joshcryer Jun 2012 #13
Totally agree abelenkpe Jun 2012 #15
Nobody "drove the narrative on The Left". bvar22 Jun 2012 #40
No, assuming the public option could be passed in 2010-2012 was the mistake. joshcryer Jun 2012 #8
Cenk Uygur is why I refuse to watch Current TV. GarroHorus Jun 2012 #9
Let's see ProSense Jun 2012 #16
And Cenk pretending to be a born-again progressive Summer Hathaway Jun 2012 #17
The same could be said of Glenn "Ayn Rand fan" Douchewald, too. n/t GarroHorus Jun 2012 #19
that'll be 50 cents usage fee... dionysus Jun 2012 #32
. GarroHorus Jun 2012 #34
So when Cenk was taking Bush & Co. to the woodshed over policy *EVERY DAY* KeepItReal Jun 2012 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jun 2012 #33
k&r for Cenk--he's right, as usual. n/t Laelth Jun 2012 #20
+ 1 n/t ejbr Jun 2012 #22
+1000 DeSwiss Jun 2012 #27
And Harry warned us way before then...... DeSwiss Jun 2012 #25
+ 1 n/t ejbr Jun 2012 #36
Cenk, thanks the cloud beings he recovered from Republicanism upi402 Jun 2012 #37
Amends? He's trashing Romney's opponent mzmolly Jun 2012 #42
K and R (nt) bigwillq Jun 2012 #38
I guess I don't get why people forget that Lieberman and a couple Republicans mzmolly Jun 2012 #41

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
1. Just like most people don't know Ceny was originally a Republican.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:21 PM
Jun 2012

And to read his constant bashing of Obama while giving a pass to the Republicans on everything, he apparently still is.

ihavenobias

(13,532 posts)
5. Giving a pass to the Republicans on everything?
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:30 PM
Jun 2012

I get that you despise criticism of President Obama, but try a *little* harder. I went to the TYT YouTube channel and found this in the last week alone:









 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
35. but, but
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 10:23 PM
Jun 2012

that's not near as bad as suggesting that BHO misjudged the integrity of rightwingnuts, despite them having a long track record of lacking any, and making it clear at the onset, that making him a one termer was their #1 priority. That's like expecting the bully to shake your hand and be pals, with all the evidence pointing to them having one interest -- rubbing your nose in the turds they kick outta ya.

and I'd bet he was praising them for weeks and months before then...lol

girl gone mad

(20,634 posts)
6. Just like the mandate was originally Republican idea.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:30 PM
Jun 2012

Recycled Heritage Foundation plans are no better when pushed by Third Way "Democrats".

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
18. Was Lincoln giving a pass to the Confederacy when he fired his losing generals?
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 08:13 PM
Jun 2012

Or should the generals have been held accountable for not getting their jobs done?

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
24. in other words
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 09:57 PM
Jun 2012

you can't contest his point, just change the subject like an expert

odd, having listened to and read Cenk for several years, I'd characterize him as an equal opportunity basher like me, as is easily supported
http://www.google.com/search?q=cenk+uygur++republicans&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGHP_en

given this falsehood "while giving a pass to the Republicans on everything", how would you rate your intellect level or integrity on a scale of 1-10?


bvar22

(39,909 posts)
39. "while giving a pass to the Republicans on everything"...TheWraith
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 01:23 PM
Jun 2012

Well,
there goes ANY credibility you had left on DU.

At least Attacking the Messenger based on facts, though it IS a Logical Fallacy, has some limited worth,
but outright false smears do nothing for DU or the propagators of the lies.

Cenk has been very consistent in his opposition to Conservative Values,
and his support FOR Traditional Democratic Party Values.
He constructed an air tight case in the link at the OP.

Hillary is also a former Republican.
Will you tar her with the same brush?



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
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abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
7. This...
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:32 PM
Jun 2012

"Not only did the Republicans not thank the president for including their mandate in the health care law, they have turned around and pretended they are against it. But of course it goes much deeper than that. In fact, they are now using it as the principal argument to take down the whole law."


Is sad but true. The mandate has been something insurance companies through republicans have been pushing for for decades.


I do not always agree with Cenk. He certainly pissed me off having that POS Matt Stoller on his show recently. But the mandate is a dream come true for insurance companies. Without it they will go bankrupt. That's why I don't think the mandate will be struck down because as much as tea partiers foam at the mouth about it the real backers of the republican party (corporations) love it. So only a complete undoing of HCR will benefit republicans and their monied backers.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
10. Wait, you think they're pretending when the announce their opposition to it?
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:37 PM
Jun 2012

I really don't understand how this is "pretending": http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=505489

They are against it because all it takes is one piece of legislation, a public option non-profit government insurer, and the insurance companies are mostly out of business.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
12. I think they want to do away with the entire HCR
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:42 PM
Jun 2012

But they've used the mandate to whip up outrage and support from their base. Putting them in the spot where they can't just do away with the mandate. They court will have to have reasons for wiping the entire law out.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
13. It's worked well. They've driven the narrative on the left, as well.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:45 PM
Jun 2012

That's why we lose. The right wing drives the narrative.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
40. Nobody "drove the narrative on The Left".
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 01:41 PM
Jun 2012

Democrats opposed the MANDATE on Traditional Democratic Party Values without
being "driven" by anybody.

As Cenk points out,
many here supported Obama because HE opposed the Mandate.
Was HE being "driven" by the Right Wing when he promised that?



Your attempt to discredit mainstream FDR/LBJ Democrats
is transparent, clumsy, and completely [font size=5]BOGUS.[/font]

There IS opinion here being "driven" by the Right Wing,
but it is not those who are standing for Traditional Democratic Party Values.



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
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joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
8. No, assuming the public option could be passed in 2010-2012 was the mistake.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:35 PM
Jun 2012

The rise of the Tea Party was basically manufactured though and I'm not sure it could've been foreseen.

Meanwhile, the right wing tends to be the more opposed to ACA: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=505489

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
16. Let's see
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:52 PM
Jun 2012

Cenk or Krugman, who was and still is for it.


It turns out that in the final stages of the debt negotiations, Republicans suddenly added a new demand — a trigger that would end up eliminating the individual mandate in health care reform.

This is telling, in a couple of ways.

First, the health care mandate has nothing to do with debt and deficits. So this is naked blackmail: the GOP is trying to use the threat of financial catastrophe to impose its policy vision, even in areas that have nothing to do with the issue at hand, a vision that it lacks the votes to enact through normal legislation.

Second, this is a demand Obama can’t accept, unless he plans on changing his party registration. Health reform doesn’t work without a mandate (remember the primary? Maybe better not to). And if health reform is undermined, Obama will have achieved nothing. So by adding this demand, Republicans were in effect saying no deal — unless, I guess, they believed that Obama is a total pushover.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/naked-blackmail/


I'll stick with Krugman.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
17. And Cenk pretending to be a born-again progressive
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 08:03 PM
Jun 2012

so he can hit the left from what is allegedly the left was a brilliant move on the part of the right.

And it's working.

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
26. So when Cenk was taking Bush & Co. to the woodshed over policy *EVERY DAY*
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 09:58 PM
Jun 2012

That was just 3-dimensional chess on the part of the GOP?



Come back with some facts please.

Response to KeepItReal (Reply #26)

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
25. And Harry warned us way before then......
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 09:57 PM
Jun 2012
    I've seen it happen time after time. When the Democratic candidate allows himself to be put on the defensive and starts apologizing for the New Deal and the fair Deal, and says he really doesn't believe in them, he is sure to lose. The people don't want a phony Democrat. If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don't want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign. ~President Harry S. Truman, Address at the National Convention Banquet of the Americans for Democratic Action (17 May 1952)


- K&R

mzmolly

(50,996 posts)
41. I guess I don't get why people forget that Lieberman and a couple Republicans
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 05:51 PM
Jun 2012

were essential to passing HCR... It's often the same people who suggested that it doesn't matter if a D or an R appoints members of the SCOTUS.

Bizarre.

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