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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDenver police commander tells protesters they can't carry a copy of the constitution.
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|gademocrat7
(10,659 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)That should be enough to get HIM locked up!
brooklynite
(94,587 posts)...you DO have the right to speak freely; you DO NOT have the right to speak freely everywhere. You cannot, for example bring your free speech into a private home or business without permission. You also cannot bring your free speech into a public setting (say, the middle of a street or a Courthouse doorway) where doing so disrupts other people's usage of the same facility. This is, I believe, where the problem lies. The protest, arguably is disrupting the flow of airline passengers and other airport customers, and that's why, LEGALLY, you can be required to obtain a permit for a protest. Now POLITICALLY, that can be a foolish thing to restrict, especially in the current climate. In NYS, Governor Cuomo directed Port Authority staff to allow the protest to continue.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)without a permit," and Lopez's answer, "Correct."
There is no way to play that statement as consistent with the constitution.
brooklynite
(94,587 posts)...the same rules would apply. The issue was not having a copy of the Constitution, it was using one as a prop (clearly evident in the video) as part of the protest.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)The poster was being held by a woman. So I don't know what he was carrying.
But even assuming it was the same poster, the poster itself was not disruptive. Unless there is a uniformly enforced prohibition on carrying signs with visible writing (like, say, the signs seen very frequently in airports, held up to help people find their rides) they create a ban or selectively enforce one against carrying signs against political speech (the most protected speech).
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Lopez warns in the video, which lacks context, that even carrying a copy of the U.S. Constitution was prohibited in the airport.
I cannot carry the Constitution without a permit? one protester asks.
Correct, the officer replies.
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/denver-police-to-protesters-stop-doing-anything-that-could-be-construed-as-free-speech/
The question was NOT whether he could display the Constitution, it was if he could CARRY it.
brooklynite
(94,587 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)And also agree with you that a Police Chief should have enough sense about trying to keep public order that it is not helpful to tell people that they should restrict their speech or not spout the constitution when people are angry but behaving peacefully.
BSdetect
(8,998 posts)logosoco
(3,208 posts)I took a class on the Constitution when I was working on my AA. The teacher told me the completion of the class gave me "Constitutional competence in the state of Missouri" at the time I just laughed! Now I am so glad I took that course!!!
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)RIGHTS do not need a permit.
politicat
(9,808 posts)@MayorHancock and @BethMcCann5280
If this officer can't understand the first amendment, how can he be trusted with the 4th, 5th or 8th?
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