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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI want to respond to this meme and need your input
https://www.facebook.com/TheCSConservative/photos/a.572477586106380.1073741829.572064949480977/1256121127742019/?type=3pangaia
(24,324 posts)They don't care what you say; they have their own reality, which does not correspond to the one the rest of us inhabit.
MountCleaners
(1,148 posts)I do it all of the time. Do I think I can change their minds? No. But I know it upsets them when someone intelligent and VERY self-assured disagrees with their sad illogical memes. They are outgunned intellectually - I have not seen an intelligent or logical argument from them on FB yet.
It's clear from their arguments that these are defensive, highly emotional people. And causing them to experience emotional turmoil is something that can foster doubt.
Besides, as I argued on FB, Trump has a scary personality cult - he is NEVER wrong about anything. You can't even say that about GWB and his supporters. These people need to have it thrown in their face how illogical and brainwashed they are.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Tear into their ideas and opinions, but don't question their motives, call them names, etc. In many cases, they are angry because they're scared, lonely, insecure, etc.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Of the same old conservative belief that calling out their racism and hate is the same thing as being a hateful racist against them. The problem, in my opinion, stems from the fact that they cannot handle criticism of their world views. And, if you voice an opinion that differs from their own, you hate them because they are white, conservative, etc.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)underpants
(182,823 posts)LunaSea
(2,894 posts)LunaSea
(2,894 posts)1. Dont get emotional: When youre dealing with angry people who are driven by irrational fear, paranoia and Trump mythologies, the last thing you want to do is get emotional. Remember, youre a lot smarter than they are.
2. Its pointless to use facts: For most people who support Donald Trump, the only facts they believe are the words that come out of his mouth. Its absolutely pointless to use fact checkers; math; history; video footage (even if its of Donald Trump himself saying something); news articles that quote Trump directly; or anything that debunks the endless stream of drivel that spills out of his mouth theyre not going to believe any of it.
3. Since you cant use facts, ask them for theirs: Since people who are fueled by propaganda and lies are impervious to being fact checked (see #2), a tactic I typically use is asking them to provide sources to back up their claims. Be sure you specifically ask for credible, non-conservative sources. Otherwise youre going to end up with a Breitbart-level article that proves something by quoting someone connected to Trumps campaign. Ive found its easy for anyone to spout off talking points, but its a whole heck of a lot more difficult for them to actually back up (with credible evidence) the nonsense that they believe.
4. Make up fake Trump quotes: Since the vast majority of Trump supporters arent exactly rocket scientists, what I like to do is make up a quote or two, implying its something hes said on a policy issues, just to see if theyll defend it. Then I push them on this quote, often with them defending it feverishly only to finally tell them I made it all up. Then I laugh at the fact that they just realized (though theyll never admit it) that theyre a mindless sheep wholl support anything he says.
5. Find quotes from Adolf Hitler then tell them that theyre from Trump: Nothing is funnier than finding quotes from one of the worst monsters whos ever lived, passing them off as Trump quotes to one of his supporters, then watching them frantically try to defend themselves after you reveal that theyre actually Hitler quotes and they just agreed with all of them.
6. Inquire about specifics related to his policies: While Donald Trump says a lot of stuff hes almost never specific about any of it. His entire campaign was built off infomercial-style rhetoric rather than actual policies. Sure, Trump supporters can regurgitate rhetoric with the best of them, but you wont find very many who know anything specific about how he plans to accomplish any of his lofty promises. And thats because, for practically every policy promise hes made, he hasnt given any.
7. Ask them how it feels to support someone who said POWs arent war heroes: Lets be honest, Donald Trump literally said that he doesnt view war POWs as heroes because he likes people who dont get captured. These folks will dance around all the other vile things Trump has said, but watch them try to defend someone who flat-out said war POWs arent American heroes because they were captured.
8. Ask them what would it take for them not to support Trump: I good way to twist these folks around is not to ask them why they support him, but to ask them what he would have to do for them to not support him. Then, when they list a few things (if they list anything at all), ask them if they really, truly believe what they listed (trust me, it will probably be something really dumb) is worse than mocking a man with disabilities, calling women fat pigs, bragging about sexual assault or belittling a war veteran and American hero.
There are more, but I think if you get through these eight youll be doing alright.
https://forwardprogressives.com/here-are-8-tips-for-debating-donald-trump-supporters/
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Thus far today, I have been called a slut, fat, on welfare, living in a mobile home, living in my mother's basement, on food stamps, etc.
It shocks me to see how far they have to go to justify their hate.
Docreed2003
(16,861 posts)This is no different than the message of MLK, Rosa Parks, John Lewis, and on and on. The opposition and protests are not fueled by hate, they are fueled by the foundations this country was built upon. What we are seeing is an outpouring of love and support for those who are being unfairly oppressed. The ones who would support this FB post would have no issue taking up Bull Conner's water hoses to suppress what they view as an attack on the status quo. We stand on the side of love and against hatred. We don't espouse hatred, we preach love and understanding and we understand that anything that divides us, like this EO, only fuels the fire of terrorism across the globe.
mercuryblues
(14,532 posts)Wanting to oppress others is not a difference of opinion, it is bigotry. Being a hateful bigoted piece of shit doesn't deserve respect.
hunter
(38,315 posts)What's the meme?
Replying "Don't be a twit" followed by an appropriate emoticon is a good bet.
Possible emoticons:
etc.
Ah, I guessed the nature of the thing correctly, and here you go, found it through a side entrance and made it copy-and-pastable:
My response:
I don't respect the opinions of ignorant twits. Why should I? If I did, I too would be an ignorant twit.
I used to have acquaintances and relatives who would email me crap like that. They don't anymore.
My favorites were the "inspirational" Christian stories, especially those that were entirely fabricated.
My response to those was usually some version of "Your god is a right bastard."
My own God isn't any better. She's okay with suffering. But all suffering becomes a story to tell later, preferably one that's funny. It's okay if I'e played the fool. Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.
Donkees
(31,409 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)"Congratulations for helping to elect a president who was endorsed by the KKK, whose businesses have failed, who denies climate change, who bragged about groping women, and who has praised a communist leader (Putin). Enjoy him for the next 4 years."
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)If they want to call that "spreading hate" then so be it. That is a price we are willing to pay.