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Would you folks stop panicking (Original Post) malaise Jan 2017 OP
I'll have what HE's having! elleng Jan 2017 #1
The political system is stacked with career...politicians leftstreet Jan 2017 #2
I'm with Masha Gessen on this... "continue panicking".. JHan Jan 2017 #3
We just don't like liars and bullies. C_U_L8R Jan 2017 #4
Well he is using one of his executive orders on LGTBQ... Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #5
remind me which party is in full control of all 3 branches of government? unblock Jan 2017 #6
Full control? No, it's quite tenuous. randome Jan 2017 #8
Might want to read up on the election results from november unblock Jan 2017 #10
The bastard is just getting started. Wait till he gets around to martial law. The_Casual_Observer Jan 2017 #7
Resist without the Panic Mode malaise Jan 2017 #19
We went through all this stuff back in the "W" administration. Same as now doc03 Jan 2017 #9
A lot of people didn't. For example, about 3000 were murdered on Sept 11th KittyWampus Jan 2017 #13
"we" ? uponit7771 Jan 2017 #24
That was Cheney's deal. Steve Bannon is a different animal. VOX Jan 2017 #26
not really starshine00 Jan 2017 #33
What are you smoking? AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #11
I disagree. It is much weaker than a lot of people realize... First Speaker Jan 2017 #12
There are weaknesses or this lunatic would not have passed the smell test malaise Jan 2017 #34
Panicking is the appropriate response to what the cheetoman is doing. milestogo Jan 2017 #14
No - resistance and vigilance are the appropriate response malaise Jan 2017 #35
I have agree with those who disagree. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #15
I'm not talking about the fabulous resistance and organization malaise Jan 2017 #21
I know what you're talking about. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #23
The "President" of the United States is going out of his way to pick fights with groups of TrekLuver Jan 2017 #16
Have you been conscious the last 8 days? wendyb Jan 2017 #17
The American Political system died with Citizens United... VOX Jan 2017 #18
I agree with all that but resistance and a calm approach is necessary malaise Jan 2017 #27
Meet you halfway with "no panic, just some hypervigilance." VOX Jan 2017 #41
Precisely malaise Jan 2017 #42
Hi malaise bdamomma Jan 2017 #44
They will malaise Jan 2017 #45
Is that what was said in 1930's Germany too? Talk Is Cheap Jan 2017 #20
If and only if we citizens are willing to push back far beyond our usual level enough Jan 2017 #22
I am sure the Germans told themselves the same thing when Hitler took over liberal N proud Jan 2017 #25
Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2017 #28
That is all I am suggesting malaise Jan 2017 #30
I disagree. The recent FBI behavior says otherwise. The unprecedented amount of private money Trust Buster Jan 2017 #29
I feel as though the rug has been yanked from beneath our feet ailsagirl Jan 2017 #31
I would love to, but butdiduvote Jan 2017 #32
I have to disagree with you JDC Jan 2017 #36
I keep hoping that 3 Republicans will switch parties to save the country Nictuku Jan 2017 #37
i like the way you think librechik Jan 2017 #38
We should be that system, it is time to oppose them at every level, at every turn ck4829 Jan 2017 #39
Precisely malaise Jan 2017 #40
So far, all I see are statements. No actual action from any elected officials. nt ecstatic Jan 2017 #43
exactly right AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #46

leftstreet

(36,109 posts)
2. The political system is stacked with career...politicians
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:09 PM
Jan 2017

That's the only truly scary thing - will they finally, actually, represent us?

Let's hope so

C_U_L8R

(45,003 posts)
4. We just don't like liars and bullies.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:12 PM
Jan 2017

We're not freaking out, but we're mighty agitated.
Those nazis may want to protect their noses.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
5. Well he is using one of his executive orders on LGTBQ...
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:12 PM
Jan 2017

I will tell my gay daughter no worries...I seriously think we may have to pack up and leave. He is ignoring court orders now...a fascist dictator in the beginning stages perhaps.

unblock

(52,253 posts)
6. remind me which party is in full control of all 3 branches of government?
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:12 PM
Jan 2017

might that be the party of honey badger don't give a shit?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
8. Full control? No, it's quite tenuous.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:17 PM
Jan 2017

For instance, for 7 years they've tried to take health insurance away from Americans and failed.

doc03

(35,348 posts)
9. We went through all this stuff back in the "W" administration. Same as now
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:18 PM
Jan 2017

people claimed they were fascists, there wouldn't be any more elections. So I take a lot of what I read here with a
a grain of salt. Somehow we survived "W".

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
13. A lot of people didn't. For example, about 3000 were murdered on Sept 11th
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:24 PM
Jan 2017

because Bush ignored a warning "Bin Laden Determined To Attack"

VOX

(22,976 posts)
26. That was Cheney's deal. Steve Bannon is a different animal.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:58 PM
Jan 2017

He *wants* confusion and chaos. Do you think all those surreal cabinet picks were made out of blind stupidity? They were designed to inflame, confuse and distract for maximum effect. Just like the executive orders Bannon writes for Trump. It may look like ineptitude, but if you read up on Bannon, he's on-script.

It's 2017, not 2003, and the old paradigm no longer applies in Bannon's world. He wants it all torn down first. They are moving quickly, keep your eyes on Bannon.

 

starshine00

(531 posts)
33. not really
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:16 PM
Jan 2017

this week feels like at least a year or two of GW...

I can't imagine what our country will look like if this continues.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
11. What are you smoking?
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:22 PM
Jan 2017

I hope it's not pot because once Sessions is confirmed he will immidiately activate DEA and have all dispensaries and growers closed in violation of federal law. This is coming very soon. Customers can get arrested with felony! They do not care about ANY of the states where marijuana is 'legal'.

Back to reality, Trump has virtually unlimited power:
1. He can defy judge orders including SC orders;
2. Once he has his own Justice Dept., they will always protect his EOs;
3. His AG (Sessions) will enforce EOs.
4. He has control over military
5. He has nuclear codes

Courts DO NOT have enforcement capbilities. Their decision means nothing without enforcement.

The only way Trump can be removed is through impeachment: IF house AND senate do so. While senate may, house will not do it - they are the most corrupt, right wing hardline politicians there due to redistricting.

He is de facto authoritarian. This was all planned well and with no way out! Remember, once authoririan comes to power, they don't give it up. Even if house matures enough and try to impeach him, the military coup will take place!

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
12. I disagree. It is much weaker than a lot of people realize...
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:23 PM
Jan 2017

...Trump is just the symptom. The GOP is the disease, and they have been systematically trying to destroy liberal democracy for many years. They feel they finally have it in their sights. They do not play by "normal" political rules, they do not recognize the legitimacy of the opposition, and they will do whatever it takes to win. Their goal is a one-party authoritarian state, like what's happening in Hungary and Poland. Or, of course, Russia. Liberal democracy is facing its greatest crisis in the US since the Civil War, and in the world since the rise of the Axis powers. I think a lot of people subconsciously assume that a Lincoln or FDR will always show up when we really need him/her. I'm not so sure this is the case anymore. The survival of anything we can call "democracy" in the next generation is no more than 50/50, in my opinion.

malaise

(269,056 posts)
34. There are weaknesses or this lunatic would not have passed the smell test
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:17 PM
Jan 2017

but it' still way stronger than folks think

malaise

(269,056 posts)
35. No - resistance and vigilance are the appropriate response
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:19 PM
Jan 2017

The women's march and the spontaneous airport protests are the correct approach - not panic.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
15. I have agree with those who disagree.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:29 PM
Jan 2017

You're not seeing panic out here. What you're seeing is people who understand that the continuation of your state as a nation is under dire threat. A threat that those of us on the outside, up to and including the Congress, have yet to find a way to counter. Every day that passes, more freedoms are flushed down the drain. That gets people kinda agitated.

It may look like panic to you, but ro me it looks like a justified mix of anger with the fear of what's actually happening, and its potential in the future.

malaise

(269,056 posts)
21. I'm not talking about the fabulous resistance and organization
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:47 PM
Jan 2017

I'm talking about panic by some folks on DU

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
23. I know what you're talking about.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:51 PM
Jan 2017

I don't see it. And if I did see some folks panic, I'd say that people have a civil right to express panic if that's what they're feeling. Calling people down for panicking during a grave Constitutional crisis with no apparent resolution is kinda insulting, ya know what I mean, Vern?

 

TrekLuver

(2,573 posts)
16. The "President" of the United States is going out of his way to pick fights with groups of
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:29 PM
Jan 2017

Americans...has done less than nothing to try to unite. He is inflaming folks domestically and abroad (on purpose no less) and there is unrest. And what does he do to try to calm the country....doubles down! Let's also remind ourselves this is just day 10. It seems like he is going OUT OF HIS WAY to be an asshole. I understand keeping campaign promises but this is ridiculous...trying to ram all this bullshit down our throat. Yeah bub I ain't swallowing and you better watch out I have sharp teeth.

But I'm not panicking I have faith that this country and gov't is bigger than Trumbannon. And if they aren't then we will be. There is only one way history will see this no matter how it plays out...history will be on the side of the people.

wendyb

(60 posts)
17. Have you been conscious the last 8 days?
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:41 PM
Jan 2017

Trump/Bannon are far more dangerous than Bush because Trump is fucking insane and Bannon is a crazed White Nationalist..they have already wreaked unprecedented havoc or unpresidented...which includes Bush..soon they will withdraw from the Paris agreement, gut the EPA, overturn LGBQT rights..they are out of control..I am terrified..miles beyond panicked. Wait until a crisis..which is inevitable hits..they will make up their own facts.. do you think marshal law is unthinkable with them..detention centers..they are heartless dicktators

VOX

(22,976 posts)
18. The American Political system died with Citizens United...
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:42 PM
Jan 2017

No one enjoys panic, but an increase in adrenaline is a perfectly normal response to what's going on.

This has been a Russian-abetted coup d'etat, nothing less. Read about Steve Bannon's background and how he operates (he's been writing Trump's executive orders). Look at the damage and confusion sown in one just week. Our nation is as ideologically divided as it was just prior to the Civil War, and does NOT have a president or congress that has the moral fiber to stand up to tyranny. They ARE the tyrants!

malaise

(269,056 posts)
27. I agree with all that but resistance and a calm approach is necessary
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:00 PM
Jan 2017

The replacement of society by the market was another huge problem but society is waking up. Citizens ar standing up.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
41. Meet you halfway with "no panic, just some hypervigilance."
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:51 PM
Jan 2017

But I do comprehend what you're saying. Thank you!

bdamomma

(63,875 posts)
44. Hi malaise
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 11:22 PM
Jan 2017

how do you know I am panicking, no not really just really angry...................Will these SOB's get thrown out.

enough

(13,259 posts)
22. If and only if we citizens are willing to push back far beyond our usual level
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:48 PM
Jan 2017

of participation, our usual level of comfort, and our usual level of fatigue and despair.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,499 posts)
28. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:01 PM
Jan 2017

Sorry, but it's not from Jefferson:

Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty (Quotation)

The vigilant have their wits about them; the panic-driven do not.

With all due respect, I will remain vigilant.

Best wishes.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
29. I disagree. The recent FBI behavior says otherwise. The unprecedented amount of private money
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:02 PM
Jan 2017

flowing to politicians also says otherwise. The delegitimization of the media by the Right says different. We have never been in this place in our lifetimes before. And yes, that includes Nixon.

butdiduvote

(284 posts)
32. I would love to, but
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:16 PM
Jan 2017

a bunch of idiotic voters placed full control of my government into the hands of people who don't respect me as a human, and those elected individuals are blatantly ignoring my concerns in favor of molding this country into what THEY want it to look like.

JDC

(10,129 posts)
36. I have to disagree with you
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:24 PM
Jan 2017

Sorry. I'm not panicking, but I think your premise is naive. No offense, I like it, I just have my doubts after the election and how this government has operated for s veeeeryy long time.

Nictuku

(3,614 posts)
37. I keep hoping that 3 Republicans will switch parties to save the country
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:29 PM
Jan 2017

... from a madman who will start WW III

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
46. exactly right
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 12:42 AM
Jan 2017

we are on our own, grassroots. Dems are silent on most important issues: what is the new duginist's global order that trump is trying to impose on us; deligitimizing independent press, deligitimizing court system; spreading falsehoods about election fraud; Bannon's goals to destroy the state, etc. Those are the core foundation and ideology that this administration is drived by. And they act clueless. Educate your constituents on techniqeus that this administration uses such as gaslighting, disinformation, chaos theory, etc.

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