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applegrove

(118,696 posts)
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 11:55 PM Jan 2017

Talk on CNN that Jared Kushner is not available sundown Friday to Saturday

to moderate Donald Trump. Kushner is an orthodox jew. Why things Trump does over the weekend get walked back during the week. Fareed Zakaria said that that is what democratic institutions are for.

Trump use the democratic institutions!!! Stop reinventing the wheel.

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Talk on CNN that Jared Kushner is not available sundown Friday to Saturday (Original Post) applegrove Jan 2017 OP
So what he turns into a Pumpkin Carriage in those times? Rex Jan 2017 #1
I just added that kushner is an orthodox jew. Alan Dershowitz just applegrove Jan 2017 #4
Oh okay, well I don't want to insult the man's faith. Rex Jan 2017 #6
Shabbat. Or Shabbos. Hekate Jan 2017 #7
I'm dyslexic and have a hard time spelling words I have only heard. applegrove Jan 2017 #10
You're welcome. Conversely, if I don't get to see certain foreign names in print, I can never ... Hekate Jan 2017 #29
This came up when Lieberman was running for VP Retrograde Jan 2017 #8
Lieberman was running to be VP and potentially Prez. Sonny Boy hasn't gotten up to speed ... Hekate Jan 2017 #18
Jared and Ivanka got a dispensation to attend inaugural parties. They couldn't miss the tblue37 Jan 2017 #21
In addition, Kushner isn't following some of the rituals of orthodox Jews. LisaL Jan 2017 #28
I originally doubted Ivanka's creds based on her manner of dress: sleevless, short skirts, etc. Hekate Jan 2017 #30
I don't think he has that much influence. LisaL Jan 2017 #36
Guess the Russians know when to DURHAM D Jan 2017 #2
They've probably got that calendared already. Hekate Jan 2017 #9
Friday sundown to Saturday sundown I think. Sunday is a work day for orthodox. n/t CincyDem Jan 2017 #3
Thanks. applegrove Jan 2017 #5
Today isn't Saturday or Sunday. LisaL Jan 2017 #12
Well, today is Monday. So there goes that theory, right down the drain. LisaL Jan 2017 #11
They walked back that green card holders applegrove Jan 2017 #13
Somehow that is attributed to Kushner? LisaL Jan 2017 #14
I was guessing it was Kushner. Could applegrove Jan 2017 #16
So then your theory is, the whole law was written at sundown on Friday? LisaL Jan 2017 #17
Shabbat is about 24 hours. Jared needs to be off work and headed home before sundown Friday. Hekate Jan 2017 #20
Kushner didn't need to be anywhere today. LisaL Jan 2017 #24
I try to understand patterns if I can without assuming too much. They are all flakes and nuts. Hekate Jan 2017 #31
It isn't my theory. It was the theory of someone on CNN. Point being Kushner applegrove Jan 2017 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author LisaL Jan 2017 #25
My point was Fareed Zakaria's point. That Trump is creating pale versions of things applegrove Jan 2017 #26
Fareed Zakaria is one of the most intelligent and best informed voices on tv Hekate Jan 2017 #33
OP didn't mention where this idea came from. LisaL Jan 2017 #35
No one said he was competent. Or that he could keep Mad King Donald on a leash. Nobody can for long. Hekate Jan 2017 #41
It was a woman who had the theory about the timing and Kushner's applegrove Jan 2017 #42
today is monday so no. Kushner is an idiot who got into college because his dad donated JI7 Jan 2017 #15
That, too Hekate Jan 2017 #19
I don't think Kushner could stand up to Bannon LeftInTX Jan 2017 #23
Bannon hates jewish people and Kushner is Jewish, how does Doreen Jan 2017 #27
Totally self serving sociopaths often carve out exceptions for those they bettyellen Jan 2017 #43
I don't think we need to attack anyone over their faith and the practice of it here at DU. TeamPooka Jan 2017 #32
I'm not attacking anyone. The whole point of the thread is that applegrove Jan 2017 #34
The OP is open to other interpretations. TeamPooka Jan 2017 #38
You seem to be the only one interpreting it that way. LisaL Jan 2017 #39
Kushner is NOT being "attacked over his faith." People are trying to understand the dynamic.... Hekate Jan 2017 #37
I don't think the point of this thread is to attack anyone califootman Jan 2017 #40

applegrove

(118,696 posts)
4. I just added that kushner is an orthodox jew. Alan Dershowitz just
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 11:59 PM
Jan 2017

said that at Harvard Kushner did observe such laws.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
6. Oh okay, well I don't want to insult the man's faith.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 12:01 AM
Jan 2017

I hope he realizes what Bannon is doing in broad daylight.

applegrove

(118,696 posts)
10. I'm dyslexic and have a hard time spelling words I have only heard.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 12:05 AM
Jan 2017

I tried to look it up but was so far off I gave up. Thanks.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
29. You're welcome. Conversely, if I don't get to see certain foreign names in print, I can never ...
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:12 AM
Jan 2017

....really recall them correctly. Bugs the hell out of me.

Retrograde

(10,137 posts)
8. This came up when Lieberman was running for VP
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 12:05 AM
Jan 2017

IIRC, he was asked if he would be able to take critical actions on the Sabbath if his office required, and IIRC Lieberman said the country would take precedence.

I am by no means familiar with the nuances of Orthodox observance, but if Kushner were at hand, couldn't he tell his father-in-law to just take a deep breath or something?

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
18. Lieberman was running to be VP and potentially Prez. Sonny Boy hasn't gotten up to speed ...
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 12:29 AM
Jan 2017

....with what being that close to the Mad King really entails when he's become POTUS, but Jared also is not elected to anything. He doesn't officially have the powers of State. He should probably consult his rabbi if in doubt. At the moment Jared is derelict in the duties he signed up for, which entail babysitting a madman.

Conclusion: we are so fcked.

I'm saying all this straight up. Lieberman had it right: there are exemptions for considerations of State. My FIL died at the same time as Itzhak Rabin. My FIL was buried 24 hours later, and Rabin's funeral was postponed, so the question someone posed was why. The rabbi said Rabin was a head of state, and it was appropriate therefore to let other heads of state travel there.

I extrapolate from that. I'm no expert, believe me.

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
21. Jared and Ivanka got a dispensation to attend inaugural parties. They couldn't miss the
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 12:42 AM
Jan 2017

big, glitzy dress-up showcase parties.

If they can get an exemption for big parties, then they could do so four actual important stuff.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
28. In addition, Kushner isn't following some of the rituals of orthodox Jews.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:02 AM
Jan 2017

He doesn't cover his head, neither does Ivanka.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
30. I originally doubted Ivanka's creds based on her manner of dress: sleevless, short skirts, etc.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:15 AM
Jan 2017

You're right. With that much wiggle room, Jared should just suck it up and babysit his father in law.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
36. I don't think he has that much influence.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:36 AM
Jan 2017

Trump seems to be listening to Bannon rather than his son-in-law.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
14. Somehow that is attributed to Kushner?
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 12:19 AM
Jan 2017

Why didn't Kushner stop Trump from firing acting AG?
I find the whole idea ludicrous.

applegrove

(118,696 posts)
16. I was guessing it was Kushner. Could
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 12:23 AM
Jan 2017

have been him or maybe it was those democratic institutions that walked it back. That was my whole point.. that moderating influence beyond a son in law is THE WHOLE US GOVERNMENT!

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
17. So then your theory is, the whole law was written at sundown on Friday?
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 12:28 AM
Jan 2017

And Kushner didn't know about it?

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
20. Shabbat is about 24 hours. Jared needs to be off work and headed home before sundown Friday.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 12:42 AM
Jan 2017

He can attend prayers on Saturday morning. Basically, he's supposed to be off the clock and thinking religious thoughts until sundown Saturday. And it's winter -- sundown and sunrise reflect a longer night. So ostensibly the earliest he could be in contact is after sundown on Saturday, plenty of time to catch up on the news.

His job is to babysit a crazy man with the fate of the world in his tiny paws. Someone needs to get Jared in to see a rabbi, or Trump needs another babysitter.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
24. Kushner didn't need to be anywhere today.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 12:44 AM
Jan 2017

Yet Trump fired acting AG and some other people. You are attributing to Kushner powers he clearly doesn't have.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
31. I try to understand patterns if I can without assuming too much. They are all flakes and nuts.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:16 AM
Jan 2017

applegrove

(118,696 posts)
22. It isn't my theory. It was the theory of someone on CNN. Point being Kushner
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 12:44 AM
Jan 2017

could very well be playing the role that actually belongs to the whole US government. And is that not what Trump does: creates something that already exists and already works? And does it in a much lesser way.

Response to applegrove (Reply #22)

applegrove

(118,696 posts)
26. My point was Fareed Zakaria's point. That Trump is creating pale versions of things
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 12:46 AM
Jan 2017

that already exist.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
33. Fareed Zakaria is one of the most intelligent and best informed voices on tv
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:22 AM
Jan 2017

He's never "ridiculous."

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
41. No one said he was competent. Or that he could keep Mad King Donald on a leash. Nobody can for long.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:42 AM
Jan 2017

JI7

(89,252 posts)
15. today is monday so no. Kushner is an idiot who got into college because his dad donated
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 12:20 AM
Jan 2017

some millions to the school.

LeftInTX

(25,383 posts)
23. I don't think Kushner could stand up to Bannon
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 12:44 AM
Jan 2017

Kushner may be the sane one, but Bannon is too powerful.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
27. Bannon hates jewish people and Kushner is Jewish, how does
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 12:58 AM
Jan 2017

Trump explain that? How does Bannon and Kushner explain that? How do they work around that? In his mind somewhere is Trump really trying to get rid of Jared?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
43. Totally self serving sociopaths often carve out exceptions for those they
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 02:14 AM
Jan 2017

Feel share their animal instincts, to the both of them everyone else is the other and they'll be cool as long as they're getting what they want from people. Power comes first for both of them- the hatred is just a game to get what they want.

TeamPooka

(24,229 posts)
32. I don't think we need to attack anyone over their faith and the practice of it here at DU.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:18 AM
Jan 2017

They go low, we go high.
Delete this thread.

applegrove

(118,696 posts)
34. I'm not attacking anyone. The whole point of the thread is that
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:30 AM
Jan 2017

Trump relies to a greater or lesser extent for Jared Kushner to play the whole government's role of moderator. There is no insult to the Jewish faith.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
37. Kushner is NOT being "attacked over his faith." People are trying to understand the dynamic....
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:36 AM
Jan 2017

...in Team Trump, and that, frankly is part of it. There was a stunning in-depth article during the latter half of the campaign that said, in part, the Trump had gotten so that he could not even fall asleep at night without his son in law's "whispery voice in his ears." That, frankly, is when I realized that Donald Trump is nuts.

I am not Jewish myself, but I have some skin in this game of trying to disseminate accurate information, having married in to the tribe over 30 years ago. Being Jewish is not all one way of life, nor all one way of thought. Jared and Ivanka claim to be Orthodox, but there's more than one kind of Orthodox.

As of this post, I've seen nothing objectionable in this thread.

califootman

(120 posts)
40. I don't think the point of this thread is to attack anyone
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:41 AM
Jan 2017

The point of this thread is the absolute absurdity that in all likelihood our President needs his son in law to prevent him from doing stupid stuff.

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