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politicat

(9,808 posts)
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 05:27 PM Jan 2017

They're not masterminds. They're incompetent -- John Scalzi

This is also why I am mildly exasperated at the idea floating about, that the fumbling bullshit nonsense these numpties are up to represents 11-dimensional super-chess political moves. Folks, no. Really, just, no. If they were 11-dimensional super-chess masters, they wouldn’t have had a negative polling rating eight days into their administration; they’d instead have made us delighted to waltz down the path to a comfortable and complacent fascism. But they didn’t, because they can’t, because they’re not that smart. A White House that spends four days litigating the size of an inauguration crowd is not a clutch of masterminds. Masterminds wouldn’t have given a shit about how many people showed up on the goddamn National Mall.

But don’t you see, Scalzi? All of this is distraction from their true mastermind evil plans! Folks, you realize that needing these jackasses to be masterminds is a form of vanity, yes? We couldn’t have possibly chosen to be ruled by custard-headed bigots who can’t find their asses with GPS and an Eagle Scout! They must be smarter than that! Well, no, they’re really not, and yes, we really did. There are lots of ways to explain that — I favor the whole “the GOP’s decades-long plan to undermine its voters’ dedication to truth and public institutions really paid off” angle of things personally — without having to haul out the 11-dimensional chess board.


...

What about Bannon? He’s smart, right? Well, he appears to be the smartest person in the White House right now, which is not the same as actually smart. But inasmuch as his personal philosophy appears to be “I’m a bigot and I have a box of matches” and he’s found a useful idiot in Trump, he’s definitely a problem. Is he the actual president, a la Cheney? He’s certainly got his hand up Trump’s ass, and he and Putin seem to be having a thumb war around the vicinity of Trump’s epiglottis in order to see whose turn it is to work the puppet this time. I think it’s self-evident that Bannon’s a racist piece of shit who shouldn’t be anywhere near the White House, but I also thought it was a self-evident Donald Trump was a racist piece of shit who shouldn’t be anywhere near the White House, too, and look where that got us.


http://whatever.scalzi.com/2017/01/31/a-fortnight-of-trump/
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They're not masterminds. They're incompetent -- John Scalzi (Original Post) politicat Jan 2017 OP
Well worth reading the entire blog post... Raster Jan 2017 #1
I've been saying this for years. No one in the GOP is in charge and they are all incompetent. randome Jan 2017 #2
How many times have Rove and others been called "geniuses"... JHB Jan 2017 #4
Exactly. There are no masterminds here. randome Jan 2017 #14
They did not know that Bannon needs Congressional approval to be on that council. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2017 #15
They're exceedingly competent at seizing new technologies like analyzing social data KittyWampus Feb 2017 #16
Just say they know how to cheat to "win". No need to credit them for mastering something. brush Feb 2017 #29
OK , I just became a fan of Scalzi..people need to read the whole rant.. pkdu Jan 2017 #3
It is interesting to ask The Sand Reckoner Jan 2017 #11
I think I said this before Lord_at_War Feb 2017 #19
Trump Has Already Filed for Re-Election Cha Feb 2017 #24
he likes receiving campaign contributions anarch Feb 2017 #26
Yeah, I read that about.. he can again receive campaign Cha Feb 2017 #28
Great read Phoenix61 Jan 2017 #5
What they are is Abusive maxsolomon Jan 2017 #6
I agree completely. This is nothing but a shit show on full display. TrekLuver Jan 2017 #7
While this gives me some hope... Ajji11 Jan 2017 #8
Those aren't mutually exclusive. politicat Jan 2017 #9
This this this. nt Tree-Hugger Jan 2017 #12
We couldnt have possibly chosen to be ruled by custard-headed bigots Historic NY Jan 2017 #10
80,000, over three states. politicat Jan 2017 #13
The last three days have been like watching a master class meadowlander Feb 2017 #17
No, they won't learn. Narcissism doesn't learn from mistakes. politicat Feb 2017 #18
Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with Scalzi, here. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #20
Thank you for this.. going to read NOW Cha Feb 2017 #21
Of course they don't represent anything without Russia... these guys need help with their zippers uponit7771 Feb 2017 #22
"..These people are both ignorant and stupid.. " that's what I keep saying.. especially the stupid Cha Feb 2017 #23
exactly , not a master plan for chaos grantcart Feb 2017 #25
I would like to believe him. But the proof is in the pudding AgadorSparticus Feb 2017 #27
Cult behavior has almost nothing to do with intelligence and little to do with intent. politicat Feb 2017 #30
"intentional malice has goals and plans and can be somewhat predicted. " AgadorSparticus Feb 2017 #32
Lacking experience, they cannot be masterminds. Orsino Feb 2017 #31

Raster

(20,998 posts)
1. Well worth reading the entire blog post...
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 05:28 PM
Jan 2017

Scalzi puts in place quite well, IMHO.

" I think it’s self-evident that Bannon’s a racist piece of shit who shouldn’t be anywhere near the White House, but I also thought it was a self-evident Donald Trump was a racist piece of shit who shouldn’t be anywhere near the White House, too, and look where that got us."

GOLDEN!

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
2. I've been saying this for years. No one in the GOP is in charge and they are all incompetent.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 05:31 PM
Jan 2017

They proved that when they let Sarah Palin be nominated. Then Romney. And now Trump. None of these events happened at someone's direction. They just happened.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

JHB

(37,161 posts)
4. How many times have Rove and others been called "geniuses"...
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 05:38 PM
Jan 2017

...when the secret of their success was just shameless, baldfaced brazenness?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
14. Exactly. There are no masterminds here.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 08:32 PM
Jan 2017

They get away with so much because no one expects them to keep going lower. I would not have believed there was anything lower than Sarah Palin until Donald Trump came to town. Sweet Jesus!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
15. They did not know that Bannon needs Congressional approval to be on that council.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 01:56 AM
Feb 2017

Not that he might not get the votes, but the fact is, they did not know he needed then in the first place.
Read that today.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
16. They're exceedingly competent at seizing new technologies like analyzing social data
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 02:15 AM
Feb 2017

for highly targeted marketing, voter suppression and using dark money and dirty tricks.

brush

(53,792 posts)
29. Just say they know how to cheat to "win". No need to credit them for mastering something.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 09:08 AM
Feb 2017

Last edited Wed Feb 1, 2017, 05:04 PM - Edit history (1)

They've been cheating since Nixon and Reagan (Vietnam and iran October surprise treason events), W Bush both terms (Rove, Katherine Harris and Jeb in '00, Rove, Ken Blackwell in '04), Rove in '08 and '12, (unseccessfully), and trump (Comey and Putin and Crosscheck and POC voter suppression in '16).

They fucking cheat and then don't know how to govern. What have they done when they're in power? Start wars and economic crashes, from Hoover Great Depression to Nixon's recession to Reagan's hugestock crash to Papa Bush's (it's the economy, stupid) to W Bush's two wars and and Great Depression to not doing anything but obstruct and not govern during Obama's terms to chaos in the 12 days they've been in power now.

Where's the new health plan they were going to replace the ACA with? Nowhere, and they've had six years to come up with something. All they did during that time was vote 50 some times to repeal the ACA instead of working on their own plan.

They are the no accomplishments obstruction party.

Let 'em demonstrate that they can win on the merits and not cheat and can actually govern and pass bills that help us then we'll talk.

pkdu

(3,977 posts)
3. OK , I just became a fan of Scalzi..people need to read the whole rant..
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 05:36 PM
Jan 2017

..one of my favs

I don’t think this is sustainable, and I don’t mean in terms of people’s ability to protest, which I think is capacious. I mean that, while it is prudent to plan for four years of Trump, I’m going to be surprised if he lasts that long. I mean, this is the goddamn honeymoon for his administration. It is protests and chaos and possibly even Democrats in Congress locating (or at least borrowing) spines, and a subterranean approval rating. Even worse, Trump just isn’t enjoying himself. He’s been fucking miserable for two straight weeks and it’s not getting better from here. I suspect that not too long in the future he’ll find a way to declare victory and bug out.

 

The Sand Reckoner

(194 posts)
11. It is interesting to ask
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 07:27 PM
Jan 2017

Did Donald Trump really, really want to be president with all that that entails, and if so, why? Did he actually want to do all the work that goes with the job? Right now, he's just like a child playing with a new toy, but it will get old very quickly. Four years of this is absolutely not sustainable for him.

 

Lord_at_War

(61 posts)
19. I think I said this before
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 03:39 AM
Feb 2017

I don't think Trump gives a sh!t about 2020- "Running for President" was just #17 on his Cheeto Hitler "bucket list"... I cannott believe he thought he'd win- and he probably will get bored in a year- but who can imagine the damage he'll do...

anarch

(6,535 posts)
26. he likes receiving campaign contributions
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 08:12 AM
Feb 2017

which he is allowed to do now that he's filed for re-election.

I believe you're correct, he does like being a dictator, but to me this just seemed like a crass way to solicit more bribes.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
28. Yeah, I read that about.. he can again receive campaign
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 08:23 AM
Feb 2017

donations now that he's filed.. he does want to milk the US and her people as much as possible while he's rigged in.

But this should scare the hell out of everyone who cares about our Planet.. 8 years of blotus?! Assholes have big plans to steal our country.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
6. What they are is Abusive
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 05:54 PM
Jan 2017

That's what's going on here: Dominance. They (*/Bannon) have no ethics, no moral compass to tell them when they need to step back. They will bully until they win, period.

The President of the United States is mentally ill.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
9. Those aren't mutually exclusive.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 06:51 PM
Jan 2017

But it's really easy to fall into despair and apathy if the majority of the voices we hear are the ones telling us that our opposition is more powerful than we are, more intelligent than we are, more effective than we can hope to be.

None of those three clauses are true. There are 65 million of us, and another 65 million who are fellow travelers but for whatever reason did not vote. We have most of the brains, most of the technological ability, most of the creativity, most of the most of the medical skill. We know how to organize.

They want us thinking they're far more powerful than they are. They're not worthy of our fear. They're only worthy of our contempt.

Historic NY

(37,451 posts)
10. We couldnt have possibly chosen to be ruled by custard-headed bigots
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 07:11 PM
Jan 2017

who can’t find their asses with GPS and an Eagle Scout! They must be smarter than that! Well, no, they’re really not, and yes, we really did.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
13. 80,000, over three states.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 07:38 PM
Jan 2017

Statisticians will tell you that of 350M people, that's a rounding error.

The point is to not cede to the opposition unwarranted power.

meadowlander

(4,399 posts)
17. The last three days have been like watching a master class
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 02:49 AM
Feb 2017

in how not to develop and implement policy.

Will they learn anything from it? I'm not holding my breath.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
18. No, they won't learn. Narcissism doesn't learn from mistakes.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 03:08 AM
Feb 2017

Because "mistakes were made, but not by me". It's never their own fault, and if one can't admit fault, one can't learn.

That's okay. We are learning.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
20. Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with Scalzi, here.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 04:49 AM
Feb 2017

I don't think this is a nefarious well-planned bout of Machivellian brilliance masquerading as gross incompetence, I think this is the genuine article.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
23. "..These people are both ignorant and stupid.. " that's what I keep saying.. especially the stupid
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 06:45 AM
Feb 2017

Uncategorized

A Fortnight of Trump
John Scalzi

2. I’m feeling many things about the Trump administration, but I have to admit one of the primary emotions I am feeling is a deep and abiding embarrassment. I’m embarrassed that my president and his administration are clearly malign, but I’m also embarrassed that they are so clearly incompetent. These people are both ignorant and stupid, and while on one hand that’s a silver lining

snip snip//

But they didn’t, because they can’t, because they’re not that smart. A White House that spends four days litigating the size of an inauguration crowd is not a clutch of masterminds. Masterminds wouldn’t have given a shit about how many people showed up on the goddamn National Mall.

THANK YOU, John Scalzi!

But don’t you see, Scalzi? All of this is distraction from their true mastermind evil plans! Folks, you realize that needing these jackasses to be masterminds is a form of vanity, yes? We couldn’t have possibly chosen to be ruled by custard-headed bigots who can’t find their asses with GPS and an Eagle Scout! They must be smarter than that! Well, no, they’re really not, and yes, we really did. There are lots of ways to explain that — I favor the whole “the GOP’s decades-long plan to undermine its voters’ dedication to truth and public institutions really paid off” angle of things personally — without having to haul out the 11-dimensional chess board.

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2017/01/31/a-fortnight-of-trump/

Very heartening.. love this.. so well written.. Mahalo, politicat~

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
27. I would like to believe him. But the proof is in the pudding
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 08:17 AM
Feb 2017

They got almost half of our population to go along with them to the point that it is cult like. And they are creating the Chaos they want. We need to stop underestimating them. That is why we are in the predicament we are in.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
30. Cult behavior has almost nothing to do with intelligence and little to do with intent.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 01:29 PM
Feb 2017

The tribalism that enabled this has been in play in the Thugs and right-wind media for decades. But it's not primarily a reasoned or intellectual reaction and behavior. It works on the basis of emotional manipulation. Cult entrancement takes time, and they used the last two decades well.

But they're not spending that cult-capital well at all. They're losing support every day. Approval is dropping like a stone.

It's not underestimating to name what we're dealing with. Incompetence is actually harder to defend against, because intentional malice has goals and plans and can be somewhat predicted. Incompetence has no controls.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
32. "intentional malice has goals and plans and can be somewhat predicted. "
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 08:30 PM
Feb 2017

What if they are predicting this? You're making the assumption that this wasn't planned. On the 1 hand you say it was 20 yrs in the making and then you say they are incompetent. Yet, they are getting what they want. You think they planned it for 20 years without having some end game? I have a hard time believing that.

They clearly could give 2 shits about approval ratings. Fascism doesn't care. They will just stealt it again. What will prevent them from doing that?

Bannon has told us what he was going to do. And he is doing it. He is creating the anarchy he wanted. This is very planned.

This is not a Republican thing. This is a neo nazi, white nationalist thing.

Underestimating them has led to a trump presidency. No more. I am not going to use old metrics to guide future predictions.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
31. Lacking experience, they cannot be masterminds.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 01:37 PM
Feb 2017

That doesn't mean they won't get things done, but it will only be easy things--failings that are so easy to indulge in that we had rules and laws in place to prevent this.

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