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Disregarding the issue of voter suppresion, how confident are you that the votes we cast are being accurately counted?
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I am highly confident that our votes are being accurately counted. | |
0 (0%) |
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Overall I am confident, although there may be occasional election fraud. | |
1 (10%) |
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I suspect that election fraud is becoming increasingly common. | |
1 (10%) |
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I think there is probably election fraud in most states. | |
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Election fraud is widespread and we have lost control of the process. | |
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I have zero confidence in electronic voting machines. | |
6 (60%) |
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American elections are just a sham to appease the voters. | |
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I'm not sure if there is fraud and I don't think there is anything we can do about it anyway. | |
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The fix has been in since at least 2004. | |
2 (20%) |
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Other | |
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scscholar
(2,902 posts)My vote hasn't counted in over eight years here in Seattle. My vote and every coworker and friend that I checked had our votes thrown in the trash.
rzemanfl
(29,567 posts)I'm not voting in your poll. We need to call it what it is, "ELECTION THEFT."
milestogo
(16,829 posts)like Trump intimating that 3 million people voted illegally. Very few cases of voter fraud are ever found.
Election fraud or theft cannot be proven without access to the voting machines to see if they are rigged.
rzemanfl
(29,567 posts)TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)Judging by the poll results it looks like it's working. The anti media campaign has also been very fruitful. People on the left and right sound very similar with their hatred of the MSM, they even say the same things! It's especially amusing when the left and right are both against the same network(s) saying they are working for the other side.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)in Florida in 2000... long before the Russians were involved.
TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)process. Of course there is going to be fraud...there will always be fraud if people are involved. Even after 2000 we still managed to win.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)Americas Electronic Voting Machines Are Scarily Easy Targets
https://www.wired.com/2016/08/americas-voting-machines-arent-ready-election/
old guy
(3,283 posts)TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)i think this is dangerously naive. computers are hackable. period. and with the presidency of the US at stake, it is a virtual certainty that hacking will happen.
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)in order to win anything in some areas.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Hence the need to put the screws to the the Supremes to push George the Lesser into the Oval.
mackdaddy
(1,528 posts)This voter roll manipulation has been going on at least since 2000, and the Democrats will not do anything about it.
Every election hundreds of thousands of valid registered voters have been prevented from voting using these massive invalidation lists. This year it is the "Interstate CrossCheck" list. These are almost always ginned up by the Republicans, and target minority sounding surnames. If the voter actually complains when they go to vote they are given "provisional" ballots, but there does not seem to be any real standards in checking if these are valid, and seem to often just be chucked in to piles never opened or counted. And no one ever goes back to see why the voter was removed from the rolls, or if they are put back on them. How many provisional ballots are out there.
Making it hard for especially Democratic voters to vote it also a favorite Election manipulation technique of the Right. Extreme voter ID laws, shorter early voting periods, and fewer, harder to find precincts, or just moving the voting locations, and under-staffing/provisioning the locations to cause longer lines all discourage the "wrong people" from voting.
Also there never seems to be any kind of random spot check on vote counting machines. There is no way to check full electronic ones. But ones that are optic scanners of paper ballots, or like in Ohio where the machine prints out a paper roll record could be spot checked at least. Hand count the ballots run through the machine and check it against the machine total. I have never heard of this being done anywhere. But every gas pump or deli scale is checked for accuracy in this state (OH) on a regular basis. Not so much the voting machines.
Another simple check that does not seem to be done is to check the counts from each machine added up for each precinct, which is added up for each county, which then is added up for statewide totals. In 2004 and 2008 this totaling function was done on the same RNC computers in Tenn that ran the private email for the Whitehouse that lost 22million votes. And the guy who programmed it all died in a small plane crash.
There is also the simple crosscheck of the number of votes check off in the precinct registration desk vs the total votes shown on the machines. This was way off in Detroit this year and was used as a reason to not examine/recount the precinct!
It is supposedly possible for private citizens to ask to examine the actual ballots for a period of time after the election is finalized. This never seems to happen.
The other thing that always pisses me off is the actual major candidates (or at least democrats) will never do a recount/audit like what the Green party was auditing? Our candidate had standing so the recounts could not have been thrown out or stopped. How could this have possible hurt her, or us more than this result?
Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)On the off chance I am wrong.