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who cares about the story, she looks amazing and HAPPY!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-bill-clinton-date-night-photos_us_5893581be4b0bf5206e687d8?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,243 posts)Hekate
(90,848 posts)....serene on the surface and paddling like hell underneath. Whether we hear frim them publically in the near future or not, they will both be busy.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,243 posts)been a tireless public servant for so long, and that goes for Big Dog as well. I hope they're enjoying the grandkids. Unlike some, I'm not worried about Hillary and Obama keeping a low profile, they've earned a good long rest. This is a chance for new leadership to emerge. Leaders like Barack Hussein Obama, who came out of nowhere to inspire an entire generation. Leaders like Hillary who, despite her loss, has inspired women across the political spectrum to run for office.
I remain hopeful even in the face of the Orange Turd.
agenasolva
(87 posts)niyad
(113,598 posts)Doreen
(11,686 posts)RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)had I such extraordinary funds to protect my friends and family.
Just as was the case during the election, I don't care how she looks.
ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)and that, for me, there is even less relevance now.
Or did you mean the radiant-wealthy part?
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RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)Response to RadiationTherapy (Reply #29)
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truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)what would make that any of your fucking business?
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You care enough about her appearance to check in and respond to a comment about her appearance by telling us how much you allegedly don't care, qualified by an irrelevant and petulant comment regarding your emotions over the protection she receives.
Seems rather self-validating on your part, but I'm certain you'll allege it is not as it appears.
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)My opinion is: Like during the election, her appearance has little relevance.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)instead of peeing in their cereal.
BlueMTexpat
(15,374 posts)Thanks. l
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)I tire of pee in cereal.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I know, you care so little that you have to say it multiple times.
There is the reality that Clinton is a human being. I mean heartbeat and all. She is also respected by a majority of the posters here. Then you add in the fact that losing a major election can throw the losing candidate into depression for years or longer. Clinton is a human and this has been devestating for her. With all of that being common sense why don't you get why we might be happy to see her smiling? Even further, that level of contientiousness has me hoping that you actually like seeing her smile. That's not a bad thing. I want you to smile.
kpete
(72,024 posts)She looks happy, that makes me happy for her.
These are stressful times. Happiness is not easily attained.
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)Not that that has anything to do with the Clintons; just an observation in general.
I would prefer to see her determined and active, but, no pressure.
mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)She's a 69 year old woman who just battled through an incredibly grueling campaign to a horrifying conclusion. Give her some time to collect herself and figure out what to do next. I'm having a tough time these days...I can't even imagine what she must be going through.
I have every confidence that Hillary will be back with a vengeance...when she's ready.
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)However, as an archetype, the "rich white secure" family is rather low on my empathy-list.
Anyhow, thanks for the wake-up. I do hope the Clintons continue to fight against conservative authoritarianism.
charlyvi
(6,537 posts)Judgemental. Hillary has done more for this nation than you ever will. And judging people by their bank account rather than their deeds and character is just as bigoted as judging people for being poor.
mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)llmart
(15,556 posts)that she look all haggard, sad, depressed, downtrodden, whatever? Wouldn't that just give the a**hole in the WH and his low-class followers one more thing to gloat about?
Neither one of them comes from money. She's worked very hard and given so much of herself in public service. Isn't that what the so-called American dream is supposedly about?
I'm in the same age group as she is and I don't begrudge her the wealth, the happiness, the way she is glowing one bit.
athena
(4,187 posts)Hillary haters can't stand it that she looks so happy. They're filled with hate and don't understand that someone like Hillary, who has love rather than hate in her heart, is intrinsically happy in a way that is not even imaginable by someone who is drowning in hate.
dubyadiprecession
(5,724 posts)She doesn't employ the same mindset like the man selected by the electoral college to be president.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)them "being low on your empathy-list."
That TOTALLY negates the slam on your OP....
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Ss and Medicare are on the chopping block.
If I had her multi- hundreds of millions I might look happy also.
emulatorloo
(44,192 posts)Instead we are stuck with Trump and Ryan
pangaia
(24,324 posts)emulatorloo
(44,192 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)emulatorloo
(44,192 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Having been wacked a few times....
emulatorloo
(44,192 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)Ready to criticize her every time she makes a fucking public appearance?
blue neen
(12,328 posts)Amen to that.
JHan
(10,173 posts)Let's hang her high !
tenorly
(2,037 posts)Unforgivable, as far as these fascists are concerned.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)What a load of shite from these people.
marybourg
(12,639 posts)own talents, resourcefulness, willingness to work hard and long, and not by being born to wealthy and indulgent parents.
LuvLoogie
(7,040 posts)She gets more done for this country in one day than most do their entire lives.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)and has a bunch of bankruptcies along the way. If she looked ailing and sad, the Hillary bashers would be happier and could say "Poor Loser!" I admire the way she's taken this blatant theft. The Clintons, like the Obamas, weren't born with the advantages of the last several Republican presidents. I'll give Reagan credit for his middle class background and the fact that he really could ride a horse.
BainsBane
(53,074 posts)Never criticized for their far more extensive wealth.
JHan
(10,173 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)woman?" Not that you mean anything bad or insulting or demeaning by that, of course.
You know, I just ask in a totally non-passive aggressive way.
No pressure...
Cha
(297,774 posts)knew there would be someone wanting to crap on this thread.
Can't stand for her to be happy for one second.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)...in the sense that how women look is not relevant to actual policy. This has been a huge issue in this election.
I think you miss the point about why comments on her appearance are not what's important.
Furthermore, I have never been so terrified for my country. It is disconcerting to see her looking so happy and carefree. America is in crisis. This BTW, is not a comment on her physical appearance but rather on the emotion she seems to be conveying.
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JHan
(10,173 posts)...and Yet I am happy to see her happy. I'm making sure to take care of myself and well being by doing exactly what she's doing - going out, meeting and socializing with friends. What would have been the appropriate look and demeanor for her on a night out?
I will always remember the look of terror and dread she had at one point during the inauguration. She's probably feeling what we're all feeling , and even more so, because she saw it as her job to prevent this catastrophe from occurring.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I suppose she should be dour and anxious 24/7 - because to be otherwise "disconcerts" you.
How dare she have a positive emotion!!!
calimary
(81,523 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 2, 2017, 09:19 PM - Edit history (1)
http://www.shakesville.com/2017/01/i-write-letters.htmlThe blogger of the above, Melissa McEwan, put it SO well.
More of us voted for her, of course, but there is a reason she is not our president. And it's not just because of Russian interference and James Comey being a colossal wanker. It's also because enough votes for Jill Stein threw key states to Donald Trump, and because millions and millions of people voted for Trump despite his reprehensible platform.
(snip)
She did do something, you ungrateful wrecks. She campaigned for 18 months, the last of them against Trump himself, day after exhausting day, keeping up a ruthless schedule that would drive most people half her age to collapse after three weeks, no less a year and a half. She gave up time with her family, her grandchildren; gave up anything resembling free time; gave up her privacy. She made countless sacrifices on behalf of this country in order to prevent this exact outcome.
You took a hard pass, and now you have the unmitigated temerity to want more from her? Fuck you.
(snip)
I note with all the mirthless laughter in the universe that one of the incessant criticisms of Hillary Clinton was that she was entitled.
She gave it everything she had already. You don't get to ask for even more.
Gotta say, my sentiments EXACTLY. I think we should cut Hillary some slack.
Dammit, she's been almost literally brutalized for a year and a half. If she wants, or needs, this time to recover from that kind of emotional battery - on a national/world scale, and that level of public persecution - at that level of repetition and obsession, then let her be. Far from the madding crowd, as it were. I think she's MORE THAN earned it. And you know the persecution would amp back up the instant she'd step up to weigh in. Haven't heard much from that Utah pipsqueak, Jason Chaffetz, who up til recently was squawking about all his plans to continue persecuting her. MORE investigations. MORE hearings. Seems as though he's kinda quiet lately. Probably has his hands full, moreso than he expected.
I suspect all these monsters simply presumed that some gold-paved road would be laid out before them once they had it all. That somehow trump was loved-loved-loved. That it was gonna be easy force-feeding all their poisonous plans down our throats because the public was with them. Well, SURPRISE! How many of us here, myself included, have stated flat-out that we've never seen this kind of colossal, epic, even historic protest response, this pushback, this #Resistance before? Well, you know who else has never seen it before? The bad guys. The CONS. That's who. They thought making "Obamacare" disappear would be a walk in the park. Well, SURPRISE! So they're too busy to bother persecuting Hillary, thank goodness. Saving their own necks is more important.
But I digress. I think we should cut Hillary some slack. As MUCH as we can. Come on. Hasn't she earned it? I expect she'll be back when-and-if she believes she can make a difference for the greater good, or some issue/cause really pulls at her, while at the same time NOT becoming a ridiculous, incomprehensible distraction all over again, herself.
If I remember correctly, she just recently earned her 21st "Most Admired Woman in the World" honors. I suspect that few will remember how horrid and corrupt she supposedly was after we've had to stomach trump for awhile. There will come a time when some of those who never had anything good to say about her will start finding themselves biting their tongues. We're already hearing confessionals from voters. I saw one while reading three or four comments to a New York Times op/ed. I think we'll be hearing from her again. And I still think she'll be on our money someday.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)BainsBane
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How so many begrudge and criticize her for wealth while saying nothing about far wealthier male politicians.
When was the last time people here made a comment about John Kerry bring a multi-billionaire? I don't recall that happening. These kinds of comments reveal the double standard that led to the American people (or the EC anyway) rejecting a supremely competent, liberal woman for an malignant narcissist.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)We are fundamentally more sexist than even India and Pakistan, both of which have elected female prime ministers.
melman
(7,681 posts)And most of his net worth is due to marriage anyway.
BainsBane
(53,074 posts)And how does the fact it comes from his wife make it better?
calimary
(81,523 posts)the State Department? What was she? Chopped liver? Don't think she was worth it, having performed beautifully on a world political and diplomatic scale? After being a successful and popular two-term Senator from a VERY big state - one that might not necessarily have been enthusiastic about her at first until she won them over with a statewide listening tour? After being a First Lady who did a LOT more than just bake cookies and have teas and pose with visiting troupes of Girl Scouts? A woman with a podium who wasn't afraid to use it to advocate for the greater good - not just in Arkansas but in Washington DC, the whole country, and the whole world? By the time she'd left the State Department after one term, she had ALREADY still earned Most Admired Woman in the World honors for about a dozen years in a row!
I wished SO badly that, whenever the inevitable criticism came up about how much she got paid for a speech, somebody somewhere would bother to point out what MEN of her stature were getting paid. I saw one set of figures that showed the top paycheck for a speech was paid to a male peer for 600-and-some-thousand dollars. I think it was either 625- or 650-THOUSAND dollars. By contrast, she got 225- or 250-thousand bucks for the same kind of speech. If I remember correctly, there was a list of five or six highest-paid speakers and what their fees were. All were men. Except for her. And she was at the bottom of this list. WHY did nobody EVER point that out?
And I forgot to add in my long-winded rant just above - I'm old enough to remember when you couldn't pay somebody to say they voted for Nixon. Watergate really pushed him underwater. Nixon voters could NOT be found. And he actually won his elections flat-out, popular vote and Electoral College, both times. You could find a winged unicorn in the flesh before you scrounged up a Nixon voter. NO ONE would admit to it. I bet we'll see the same thing about trump. It could wind up being a question of - before IMPEACHMENT? or after IMPEACHMENT?.
BainsBane
(53,074 posts)Is their some sort of semiconscious resentment that a woman has more money than some men do.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Cha
(297,774 posts)politicians do.. doesn't mean she doesn't give back.
She's been working all her life to give back and..
That's what the Clinton Foundation does..
A Year in Review: 11 Inspiring Moments from 2016
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/blog/2016/12/22/year-review-11-inspiring-moments-2016
manicraven
(901 posts)Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)She would have carried us forward from President Obama with grace, passion and integrity. Instead, we live in fear that the unqualified, petulant manchild will bring us to a collision course with disaster after disaster.
LisaM
(27,842 posts)I'm not happy about all the negative comments this thread has triggered (though they're to be expected, I guess), but the fact is that Hillary has been and is a worker. I expect that she'll continue to plug away in some capacity, and (I'm not calling for editorial comments here), the Clinton foundation still exists and presumably is still going forward with its good work.
There are some for whom Hillary will never be good enough. I well recall 2008 when a picture that made her look about 120 years old kept getting posted here and a certain faction piled on about her age. (I was called "a (sic) old hag" for supporting her, which I will never forget). Now she's looking whole and healthy and that's not okay either.
GEESH!!!!
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)ffr
(22,672 posts)To everything that's befelled our nation since Comey, Giuliani, and the Russians conspired their election coup.
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)I am not saying anything about Clinton, but that is a really gross message to send to people who have legitimate reasons to be concerned about Trump's policies.
Hekate
(90,848 posts)Just spit it out, why don't you: you don't like her, and you feel great envy that she and Bill have managed to do well in this world even as they do good in this world.
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ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)Inquiring fucking minds want to know
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)ffr
(22,672 posts)misjudged it on election day.
I love it and will continue to broadcast it, because I'm proud of the campaign she ran and the fact that just about everything she said would happen if tRump was elected has come true. Her only mistake was by how bad tRump has been already. I'd say beyond comprehension.
I love her and Bill Clinton and will enthusiastically support them to my dying day. Great giving people, both of them.
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)But rich white people laughing and saying "I told you so" is definitely not something that moves me positively.
emulatorloo
(44,192 posts)That is a picture of Hillary with words that some dude on the internet put together. Has nothing to do with HRC the actual person.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And view Comrade Casino's election as validation that the Democrats have "lost their way" by ignoring the plight of the straight white male?
BainsBane
(53,074 posts)Hillary is not laughing but rather mourning for the nation.
mcar
(42,388 posts)Good for her.
CountAllVotes
(20,878 posts)Amazing what some rest and relaxation can do for a person! Glad to see her looking so well!
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)and focusing on her family and her happiness.
iluvtennis
(19,880 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,971 posts)...her looking so well! She had the winning message - Stronger Together - and should be proud. Thank you for listening and fighting, Hillary!
PS: First Families don't have financial worries and she does appear to be Caucasian. No revelations, either!
elmac
(4,642 posts)so does the First Gentleman. I hope they are having a nice post election break.
BainsBane
(53,074 posts)I miss her now more than ever.
DittoTheCat2
(16 posts)I'm new to posting on the site. Enrolled just before the hacking. Been reading a lot of the comments. I'm just starting to get past the grieving and ready to move forward. I'm am angry but looking forward to doing whatever it takes to get Democrats elected.
I'm glad Hillary is looking radiant. Good for her. She is a hell of a woman! Just because she has money doesn't bother me. She is a woman who has had to deal with so much hatred and vileness from the Republicans and their ilk and has come through like a beacon of hope for the rest of us to pick ourselves up from the Nov 8th tragedy and start to rise to great heights.
Had lunch with an old friend today and we talked about the election and how we felt. I feel like she is still grieving the loss in a big way and is having a hard time dealing with her anger.
Whatever it takes for us to defeat that horrid creature in the WH, let's do it!
Gothmog
(145,631 posts)LS_Editor
(893 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)otohara
(24,135 posts)Senator from Vermont...who has no party
BainsBane
(53,074 posts)LS_Editor
(893 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)LS_Editor
(893 posts)Context matters.
JHan
(10,173 posts)LS_Editor
(893 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)All this over a picture of Hillary out on the town.
Amazing.
BainsBane
(53,074 posts)In dislike for one woman.
BainsBane
(53,074 posts)But no Democrat has ever won the nomination after losing the GE. I don't recall anyone even seeking the nomination after losing the GE.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)HRC is retired. And it is hardly her fault that the FBI repeatedly intervened on behalf of her opponent and constantly lied to the American people.
It is rather remarkable that she had the race won--by a decisive margin--with 11 days to go before the final Comey intervention. It speaks volumes about what a good candidate she was, what a great campaign she ran, and what a fabulous job she did as a Senator and as Secretary of State.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Once in a primary and once in a general.
Just want to clear up someone's alternate facts.
Cha
(297,774 posts)SylviaD
(721 posts)I think we need to decide that as a party, not on your say-so. Many would disagree with you, including this Democrat.
Hekate
(90,848 posts)Oh wait what? You mean NOBODY ELSE has made such an announcement? And NOBODY ELSE has had that demand made of them?
What's wrong with this picture?
I get so effing tired of the Special Rules Written Just for Hillary that are purveyed on this board.
Cha
(297,774 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Just curious.
athena
(4,187 posts)It must be very sad to live life as someone who hates HRC so much that they still can't let go of their hate, despite having gotten exactly what they wanted and ensured that she didn't become president.
Enjoy the fact that HRC is not president. Enjoy how sad you imagine she must feel about it. And, most of all, enjoy the corrollary: Trump's presidency. You got exactly what you wanted. And your hate against HRC is hurting you a lot more than it's hurting her. She, I'm sure, has love, not hate in her heart. And love, unlike hate, makes one feel good. It's called karma.
LS_Editor
(893 posts)an ironic example of how you are hurt by your hate. It works entirely against your point.
BainsBane
(53,074 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I'm sure you requested the same public statement from Gore. Just kidding. I know you didn't.
LS_Editor
(893 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)LS_Editor
(893 posts)Oh wait. Neither of those things.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You truly have no clue what you are talking about. You say context and don't even know Gore lost a primary and General. Tee it up. Hit it out of the park. That was too easy. Alternative Context is what is being dealt with here.
JHan
(10,173 posts)You dislike her.. that is your issue and the only context required for your comment.
LS_Editor
(893 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)I don't care what Hillary decides to do at this point - it's up to her. Perhaps you should let it go....
BainsBane
(53,074 posts)Basic stuff like Al Gore losing a primary before he became a GE candidate.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)who didn't vote or voted 3rd party - This could have been your president.
Yeah. Still a little pissed. But I think it is important to remember that there are consequences to inaction as well as action.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Very sad she lost, but even sadder and pissed he won. She seems to have recovered faster than I have. Im glad she seems ok; Bill still seems to adore her. It's hard to get over it when he is dismantling the world. At first, I told myself to give him a chance. I did. He is a looney Toons case who may start a WW. At best, he will cause more damage to our country than any other prez
JHan
(10,173 posts)3catwoman3
(24,055 posts)...with the profound disappointment she must feel, there mightn't be a tiny bit of personal relief that she wiil not have to deal with the relentless obstruction that President Obama faced 24/7/365x2.
She would have handled it just as graciously as he did, no doubt.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)For his Nazi businessmen. Excuse me if I can't find the time to care.
Cha
(297,774 posts)Hekate
(90,848 posts)Just between you and me, Cha, they look older in that photo than a year ago. But good. Kind of like they are both convalescing from a bout with some dreadfull illness -- coming back to full strength.
May the gods bless them both.
Cha
(297,774 posts)look pretty good.. healthy and they're out on a night on Broadway. We all have our ways to get away from the heat of the battle to R&R.
I have no doubt like President Obama they will be continue working for what's best for the People of our country and the Planet.
SylviaD
(721 posts)Not tRUMP! and not Bernie either.
nikibatts
(2,198 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,125 posts)she probably would have been under physical threat all day everyday from these filthy fucking assholes who now run our country.
It would have driven her crazy and into sickness. Dont blame her if she tells us all to fuck off, especially the really bright among us who voted 3rd party.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The things I wish we were discussing right now.
Upthevibe
(8,075 posts)been treated like SHIT. She has done so much for the world that most people have no idea about and yet she's been treated worse than ANYONE I've ever known or heard about... Thanks to Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingram, Bill O'Reilly, etc. The only satisfaction I get is that they don't have the Clinton's to brutalize anymore. I wonder what they talk about now?????
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)They have to be against an individual in order to foment hate and division. That isn't as easy when you hold both houses and the executive branch. They seem to be floundering between Obama and a few others. They meet their own definition of snowflake the way they have the power yet are still attacking like petulant little children.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... as a TRUE and LOYAL Democrat, I find her so inspiring.
lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)she must have been. It was Bill's turn to be there for her, and it appears he has been
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)I'm so glad to see them looking happy and relaxed. Thanks, kpete!
As for some of the people in this thread who can't stand Hillary looking wonderful, Fuck you. Haters gotta hate.
(Note: I'm not naming names, so hold your alert. You know who you are.)