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Hillary, Radiant. (Original Post) kpete Feb 2017 OP
She's absolutely glowing. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2017 #1
It makes me feel good just seeing them look so well. Hillary reminds me of a duck or swan.... Hekate Feb 2017 #20
Exactly. If she can't be POTUS, she deserves to have as good a life as she possibly can. She's.... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2017 #46
She is truly amazing agenasolva Feb 2017 #2
welcome to du niyad Feb 2017 #150
She does look happy. Doreen Feb 2017 #3
I would feel better myself - perhaps even radiant - RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #4
What the fuck do you mean by that? ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #5
I mean that, for me, there was little relevance to her appearance during the campaign RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #26
You're kind of authoritarian and demanding. I don't really respond to such things well. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #29
Post removed Post removed Feb 2017 #31
Just out of curiosity, truebluegreen Feb 2017 #36
None of your business. nt zentrum Feb 2017 #37
I thought the same thing. eom. Raine1967 Feb 2017 #43
You care enough about her appearance to check in and respond LanternWaste Feb 2017 #7
No. I care enough about the democratic party to participate in conversations and share my opinion. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #11
you could respect others that want to celebrate it. Raine1967 Feb 2017 #45
This. BlueMTexpat Feb 2017 #54
Anytime! Raine1967 Feb 2017 #59
YES!!! (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #80
I can't imagine how someone could be this upset over her smiling. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #99
I think you protest too much kpete Feb 2017 #14
Psssh. Pretty easy to be happy if you are incredibly wealthy, white, and connected. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #17
Jeez man...give her a break. mindfulNJ Feb 2017 #21
I appreciate your comment and I agree that perhaps I am too harsh here. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #27
Yes. You are too harsh charlyvi Feb 2017 #35
You're welcome! mindfulNJ Feb 2017 #41
Would you prefer... llmart Feb 2017 #57
I bet they would. athena Feb 2017 #118
You won't see Hillary leaving her home in a downtrodden mood. dubyadiprecession Feb 2017 #139
Well you are gracious with your "apology" about ehrnst Feb 2017 #88
I'm a 73 year old man who battled cancer, live on SS, Medicare and a small IRA. pangaia Feb 2017 #42
Sounds like you could have really used a Clinton presidency emulatorloo Feb 2017 #61
That is true. I voted for her. pangaia Feb 2017 #62
As we all did emulatorloo Feb 2017 #63
I edited my post JUST 1 sec before you replied. pangaia Feb 2017 #66
I saw that! emulatorloo Feb 2017 #68
Maybe I'm a little paranoid these days. pangaia Feb 2017 #70
It's ok! emulatorloo Feb 2017 #71
Hard to argue with that. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2017 #77
Why would that be effective, with....persons...from all sides ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #28
Yep. blue neen Feb 2017 #33
Oh noes, she's a rich white woman!! JHan Feb 2017 #34
And she's a rich white woman who honors her good fortune by trying to give back to the world. tenorly Feb 2017 #83
The crime that she was accused of most - being "entitled." ehrnst Feb 2017 #84
At least she became wealthy by her and her spouse's marybourg Feb 2017 #56
Oh FFS. She's been busting her since she was 15. LuvLoogie Feb 2017 #58
Not as if she was BORN that way, other than white... maddiemom Feb 2017 #72
Or with the advantages of a number of progressive male heros BainsBane Feb 2017 #93
The men don't get the same scrutiny or angst. JHan Feb 2017 #131
And what would that entail, exactly? From "an incredibly wealthy white and connected ehrnst Feb 2017 #81
They're having a date night.. and we're happy for her. I Cha Feb 2017 #92
Money certainly helps Fearless Feb 2017 #86
"Not caring how she looks" zentrum Feb 2017 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author JHan Feb 2017 #50
I sense the same doom as you do, everyone in this thread does.. JHan Feb 2017 #51
+1 SammyWinstonJack Feb 2017 #78
"Disconcerting" to see a photo of her in a moment where she looks "happy and carefree?" ehrnst Feb 2017 #97
Wonder if you saw this - calimary Feb 2017 #106
LOVE this. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #129
I find it fascinating BainsBane Feb 2017 #55
Exactly. If you don't play the "little woman" game you are found to be vile and disgusting. MoonRiver Feb 2017 #65
Yep mcar Feb 2017 #82
John Kerry is not a multi-billionaire melman Feb 2017 #128
He is a multi-billionaire BainsBane Feb 2017 #132
You make a valid point. Why was it so bad that she earned some great paychecks after she left calimary Feb 2017 #140
My guess BainsBane Feb 2017 #142
Well then, so good for you that trump won so you don't have to put up with her. Lil Missy Feb 2017 #67
You really had to go out of your way and come in here and shit in everyone's cereal? Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2017 #73
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2017 #74
I don't care that you don't care.. Just because she has money.. all Cha Feb 2017 #90
Sour grapes! You're not mandated to look or respond. manicraven Feb 2017 #138
I had a dream that she gave a press conference and I was filled with pride and a sense of security. Glimmer of Hope Feb 2017 #6
America missed a golden opportunity Mr. Ected Feb 2017 #8
Agreed, and it's not as if she's going to disappear. LisaM Feb 2017 #53
Both looking good! - Makes me happy to see that! Madam45for2923 Feb 2017 #10
It really is good to see her looking so good. etherealtruth Feb 2017 #12
Yes! I find that it gives me renewed fortitude to continue on! I love HER RESILIENCE! Madam45for2923 Feb 2017 #15
Under her quiet exterior. ffr Feb 2017 #13
Privileged people get to laugh and say "I told you so." RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #16
Speaking of "gross messages," you've managed to sprinkle quite a lot of nastygrams in this thread Hekate Feb 2017 #18
Post removed Post removed Feb 2017 #23
How can you "blame" if you don't know or care? ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #30
Hear, hear!! (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #127
I disagree. It's an emotional message of just how grossly the hoodwinked voters ffr Feb 2017 #19
I absolutely support your sharing it, of course. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #25
You do understand Hillary did not make that meme, don't you? emulatorloo Feb 2017 #60
You mean like so many that call themselves the only "true progressives?" ehrnst Feb 2017 #100
I have no doubt BainsBane Feb 2017 #49
She looks terrific! mcar Feb 2017 #22
She looks great! CountAllVotes Feb 2017 #24
yeah, she did her best and we rejected her. i don't begrudge her using her time for healing La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #32
Thanks for sharing this great picture of my girl - made my day. nt iluvtennis Feb 2017 #38
Great to see... Mike Nelson Feb 2017 #39
MY president looks very nice and happy in that pic elmac Feb 2017 #44
She should have been our president BainsBane Feb 2017 #47
Hillary is Ready to Get Back to Work! DittoTheCat2 Feb 2017 #48
This picture makes me smile Gothmog Feb 2017 #52
She needs to announce she won't run for the presidency again. The Democratic Party needs to move on. LS_Editor Feb 2017 #64
+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2017 #79
Hoping The Same Announcement From The Independent otohara Feb 2017 #87
Like Al Gore, John Kerry, Fritz Mondale, and Mike Dukakis did? BainsBane Feb 2017 #91
Because they all ran TWICE and failed? LS_Editor Feb 2017 #94
And your point is? JHan Feb 2017 #111
If it isn't obvious - and it should -be - context. LS_Editor Feb 2017 #115
and I'll repeat myself.. JHan Feb 2017 #117
If you wanted to concede you should have just said that. LS_Editor Feb 2017 #121
Concede what? JHan Feb 2017 #125
Amazing how much some have invested BainsBane Feb 2017 #134
Some ran more than twice BainsBane Feb 2017 #133
Actually, Al Gore did run twice. He ran and lost in 1988. In any event, this talk is all nonsense. StevieM Feb 2017 #151
Thank you. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #102
All Gore did lose twice. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #130
Oh Bull.. that's ridiculous Cha Feb 2017 #95
...really? And you know what the Democratic Party needs how? SylviaD Feb 2017 #98
Like Bernie, Jill, and whatsisname all have! That's the way to go into the future! Hekate Feb 2017 #101
+1,000,000,000!!!!!! Cha Feb 2017 #124
Um. Why her and no other candidate that didn't get into the WH? ehrnst Feb 2017 #103
HRC haters are so filled with hate. And yet they can't see that their hate hurts THEM most. athena Feb 2017 #108
I voted for her. Not that it's any of your business. You know nothing about me. Your hatred of me is LS_Editor Feb 2017 #112
Well said BainsBane Feb 2017 #135
A preemptive "I'm not running." NCTraveler Feb 2017 #109
Who failed twice? Seriously, context. LS_Editor Feb 2017 #110
I'm sure you requested the same public statement from Kucinich. Nt NCTraveler Feb 2017 #113
Yup. Who lost both a general election and a primary where he was heavily favored? LS_Editor Feb 2017 #116
Al Gore lost a primary and a General election. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #122
what context? JHan Feb 2017 #114
For you, clearly. But that says far more about you than me. LS_Editor Feb 2017 #120
LOL what does it say about me? JHan Feb 2017 #123
It says she knows recent political history BainsBane Feb 2017 #136
Kick for transparency. Nt NCTraveler Feb 2017 #146
I wish that she was in the Oval Office now. nt Blue_true Feb 2017 #69
All the assholes out there (and here) Jakes Progress Feb 2017 #75
More than a little pissed Alice11111 Feb 2017 #126
++++++++ JHan Feb 2017 #137
I can't help but wonder if, mixed in... 3catwoman3 Feb 2017 #76
I mean Trump is carving up America Fearless Feb 2017 #85
Thank you for this, kpete.. Cha Feb 2017 #89
How I wish I was in that group photo Hekate Feb 2017 #104
I know.. I really like that cast group photo! I think they Cha Feb 2017 #119
THIS is my President! SylviaD Feb 2017 #96
Mine too. nikibatts Feb 2017 #141
Based on what we have seen the last two months Eliot Rosewater Feb 2017 #105
Clinton!!!!! You picked who for Secretary of State!!! NCTraveler Feb 2017 #107
I see that and my heart sinks but I'm glad they look happy. God knows if she had won she would have Upthevibe Feb 2017 #143
Well said. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #145
Love her so much! I'm so very proud of all that she's done ... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #144
Just imagine how exhausted, both mentally & phsyically lillypaddle Feb 2017 #147
What a beautiful picture! NastyRiffraff Feb 2017 #148
THANK YOU niyad Feb 2017 #149

Hekate

(90,848 posts)
20. It makes me feel good just seeing them look so well. Hillary reminds me of a duck or swan....
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:31 PM
Feb 2017

....serene on the surface and paddling like hell underneath. Whether we hear frim them publically in the near future or not, they will both be busy.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,243 posts)
46. Exactly. If she can't be POTUS, she deserves to have as good a life as she possibly can. She's....
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 05:13 PM
Feb 2017

been a tireless public servant for so long, and that goes for Big Dog as well. I hope they're enjoying the grandkids. Unlike some, I'm not worried about Hillary and Obama keeping a low profile, they've earned a good long rest. This is a chance for new leadership to emerge. Leaders like Barack Hussein Obama, who came out of nowhere to inspire an entire generation. Leaders like Hillary who, despite her loss, has inspired women across the political spectrum to run for office.

I remain hopeful even in the face of the Orange Turd.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
4. I would feel better myself - perhaps even radiant -
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:08 PM
Feb 2017

had I such extraordinary funds to protect my friends and family.

Just as was the case during the election, I don't care how she looks.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
9. I mean that, for me, there was little relevance to her appearance during the campaign
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:16 PM
Feb 2017

and that, for me, there is even less relevance now.

Or did you mean the radiant-wealthy part?

Response to RadiationTherapy (Reply #9)

Response to RadiationTherapy (Reply #29)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
7. You care enough about her appearance to check in and respond
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:13 PM
Feb 2017

You care enough about her appearance to check in and respond to a comment about her appearance by telling us how much you allegedly don't care, qualified by an irrelevant and petulant comment regarding your emotions over the protection she receives.

Seems rather self-validating on your part, but I'm certain you'll allege it is not as it appears.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
11. No. I care enough about the democratic party to participate in conversations and share my opinion.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:17 PM
Feb 2017

My opinion is: Like during the election, her appearance has little relevance.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
99. I can't imagine how someone could be this upset over her smiling.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 07:36 PM
Feb 2017

I know, you care so little that you have to say it multiple times.

There is the reality that Clinton is a human being. I mean heartbeat and all. She is also respected by a majority of the posters here. Then you add in the fact that losing a major election can throw the losing candidate into depression for years or longer. Clinton is a human and this has been devestating for her. With all of that being common sense why don't you get why we might be happy to see her smiling? Even further, that level of contientiousness has me hoping that you actually like seeing her smile. That's not a bad thing. I want you to smile.

kpete

(72,024 posts)
14. I think you protest too much
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:20 PM
Feb 2017

She looks happy, that makes me happy for her.
These are stressful times. Happiness is not easily attained.


RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
17. Psssh. Pretty easy to be happy if you are incredibly wealthy, white, and connected.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:23 PM
Feb 2017

Not that that has anything to do with the Clintons; just an observation in general.

I would prefer to see her determined and active, but, no pressure.

mindfulNJ

(2,367 posts)
21. Jeez man...give her a break.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:34 PM
Feb 2017

She's a 69 year old woman who just battled through an incredibly grueling campaign to a horrifying conclusion. Give her some time to collect herself and figure out what to do next. I'm having a tough time these days...I can't even imagine what she must be going through.

I have every confidence that Hillary will be back with a vengeance...when she's ready.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
27. I appreciate your comment and I agree that perhaps I am too harsh here.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:39 PM
Feb 2017

However, as an archetype, the "rich white secure" family is rather low on my empathy-list.

Anyhow, thanks for the wake-up. I do hope the Clintons continue to fight against conservative authoritarianism.

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
35. Yes. You are too harsh
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:48 PM
Feb 2017

Judgemental. Hillary has done more for this nation than you ever will. And judging people by their bank account rather than their deeds and character is just as bigoted as judging people for being poor.

llmart

(15,556 posts)
57. Would you prefer...
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 05:43 PM
Feb 2017

that she look all haggard, sad, depressed, downtrodden, whatever? Wouldn't that just give the a**hole in the WH and his low-class followers one more thing to gloat about?

Neither one of them comes from money. She's worked very hard and given so much of herself in public service. Isn't that what the so-called American dream is supposedly about?

I'm in the same age group as she is and I don't begrudge her the wealth, the happiness, the way she is glowing one bit.

athena

(4,187 posts)
118. I bet they would.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:00 PM
Feb 2017

Hillary haters can't stand it that she looks so happy. They're filled with hate and don't understand that someone like Hillary, who has love rather than hate in her heart, is intrinsically happy in a way that is not even imaginable by someone who is drowning in hate.

dubyadiprecession

(5,724 posts)
139. You won't see Hillary leaving her home in a downtrodden mood.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 09:19 PM
Feb 2017

She doesn't employ the same mindset like the man selected by the electoral college to be president.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
88. Well you are gracious with your "apology" about
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 07:00 PM
Feb 2017

them "being low on your empathy-list."

That TOTALLY negates the slam on your OP....

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
42. I'm a 73 year old man who battled cancer, live on SS, Medicare and a small IRA.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 05:03 PM
Feb 2017

Ss and Medicare are on the chopping block.

If I had her multi- hundreds of millions I might look happy also.

emulatorloo

(44,192 posts)
61. Sounds like you could have really used a Clinton presidency
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 05:49 PM
Feb 2017

Instead we are stuck with Trump and Ryan

ismnotwasm

(42,014 posts)
28. Why would that be effective, with....persons...from all sides
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:40 PM
Feb 2017

Ready to criticize her every time she makes a fucking public appearance?

tenorly

(2,037 posts)
83. And she's a rich white woman who honors her good fortune by trying to give back to the world.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 06:48 PM
Feb 2017

Unforgivable, as far as these fascists are concerned.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
84. The crime that she was accused of most - being "entitled."
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 06:52 PM
Feb 2017

What a load of shite from these people.

marybourg

(12,639 posts)
56. At least she became wealthy by her and her spouse's
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 05:43 PM
Feb 2017

own talents, resourcefulness, willingness to work hard and long, and not by being born to wealthy and indulgent parents.

LuvLoogie

(7,040 posts)
58. Oh FFS. She's been busting her since she was 15.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 05:44 PM
Feb 2017

She gets more done for this country in one day than most do their entire lives.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
72. Not as if she was BORN that way, other than white...
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 06:11 PM
Feb 2017

and has a bunch of bankruptcies along the way. If she looked ailing and sad, the Hillary bashers would be happier and could say "Poor Loser!" I admire the way she's taken this blatant theft. The Clintons, like the Obamas, weren't born with the advantages of the last several Republican presidents. I'll give Reagan credit for his middle class background and the fact that he really could ride a horse.

BainsBane

(53,074 posts)
93. Or with the advantages of a number of progressive male heros
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 07:23 PM
Feb 2017

Never criticized for their far more extensive wealth.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
81. And what would that entail, exactly? From "an incredibly wealthy white and connected
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 06:45 PM
Feb 2017

woman?" Not that you mean anything bad or insulting or demeaning by that, of course.

You know, I just ask in a totally non-passive aggressive way.

No pressure...

Cha

(297,774 posts)
92. They're having a date night.. and we're happy for her. I
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 07:19 PM
Feb 2017

knew there would be someone wanting to crap on this thread.

Can't stand for her to be happy for one second.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
40. "Not caring how she looks"
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 05:00 PM
Feb 2017

...in the sense that how women look is not relevant to actual policy. This has been a huge issue in this election.

I think you miss the point about why comments on her appearance are not what's important.

Furthermore, I have never been so terrified for my country. It is disconcerting to see her looking so happy and carefree. America is in crisis. This BTW, is not a comment on her physical appearance but rather on the emotion she seems to be conveying.

Response to zentrum (Reply #40)

JHan

(10,173 posts)
51. I sense the same doom as you do, everyone in this thread does..
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 05:33 PM
Feb 2017

...and Yet I am happy to see her happy. I'm making sure to take care of myself and well being by doing exactly what she's doing - going out, meeting and socializing with friends. What would have been the appropriate look and demeanor for her on a night out?

I will always remember the look of terror and dread she had at one point during the inauguration. She's probably feeling what we're all feeling , and even more so, because she saw it as her job to prevent this catastrophe from occurring.
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
97. "Disconcerting" to see a photo of her in a moment where she looks "happy and carefree?"
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 07:36 PM
Feb 2017

I suppose she should be dour and anxious 24/7 - because to be otherwise "disconcerts" you.

How dare she have a positive emotion!!!

calimary

(81,523 posts)
106. Wonder if you saw this -
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 07:52 PM
Feb 2017

Last edited Thu Feb 2, 2017, 09:19 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.shakesville.com/2017/01/i-write-letters.html

The blogger of the above, Melissa McEwan, put it SO well.

More of us voted for her, of course, but there is a reason she is not our president. And it's not just because of Russian interference and James Comey being a colossal wanker. It's also because enough votes for Jill Stein threw key states to Donald Trump, and because millions and millions of people voted for Trump despite his reprehensible platform.

(snip)

She did do something, you ungrateful wrecks. She campaigned for 18 months, the last of them against Trump himself, day after exhausting day, keeping up a ruthless schedule that would drive most people half her age to collapse after three weeks, no less a year and a half. She gave up time with her family, her grandchildren; gave up anything resembling free time; gave up her privacy. She made countless sacrifices on behalf of this country in order to prevent this exact outcome.

You took a hard pass, and now you have the unmitigated temerity to want more from her? Fuck you.


(snip)

I note with all the mirthless laughter in the universe that one of the incessant criticisms of Hillary Clinton was that she was entitled.

She gave it everything she had already. You don't get to ask for even more.


Gotta say, my sentiments EXACTLY. I think we should cut Hillary some slack.

Dammit, she's been almost literally brutalized for a year and a half. If she wants, or needs, this time to recover from that kind of emotional battery - on a national/world scale, and that level of public persecution - at that level of repetition and obsession, then let her be. Far from the madding crowd, as it were. I think she's MORE THAN earned it. And you know the persecution would amp back up the instant she'd step up to weigh in. Haven't heard much from that Utah pipsqueak, Jason Chaffetz, who up til recently was squawking about all his plans to continue persecuting her. MORE investigations. MORE hearings. Seems as though he's kinda quiet lately. Probably has his hands full, moreso than he expected.

I suspect all these monsters simply presumed that some gold-paved road would be laid out before them once they had it all. That somehow trump was loved-loved-loved. That it was gonna be easy force-feeding all their poisonous plans down our throats because the public was with them. Well, SURPRISE! How many of us here, myself included, have stated flat-out that we've never seen this kind of colossal, epic, even historic protest response, this pushback, this #Resistance before? Well, you know who else has never seen it before? The bad guys. The CONS. That's who. They thought making "Obamacare" disappear would be a walk in the park. Well, SURPRISE! So they're too busy to bother persecuting Hillary, thank goodness. Saving their own necks is more important.

But I digress. I think we should cut Hillary some slack. As MUCH as we can. Come on. Hasn't she earned it? I expect she'll be back when-and-if she believes she can make a difference for the greater good, or some issue/cause really pulls at her, while at the same time NOT becoming a ridiculous, incomprehensible distraction all over again, herself.

If I remember correctly, she just recently earned her 21st "Most Admired Woman in the World" honors. I suspect that few will remember how horrid and corrupt she supposedly was after we've had to stomach trump for awhile. There will come a time when some of those who never had anything good to say about her will start finding themselves biting their tongues. We're already hearing confessionals from voters. I saw one while reading three or four comments to a New York Times op/ed. I think we'll be hearing from her again. And I still think she'll be on our money someday.

BainsBane

(53,074 posts)
55. I find it fascinating
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 05:41 PM
Feb 2017

Last edited Thu Feb 2, 2017, 06:18 PM - Edit history (1)

How so many begrudge and criticize her for wealth while saying nothing about far wealthier male politicians.

When was the last time people here made a comment about John Kerry bring a multi-billionaire? I don't recall that happening. These kinds of comments reveal the double standard that led to the American people (or the EC anyway) rejecting a supremely competent, liberal woman for an malignant narcissist.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
65. Exactly. If you don't play the "little woman" game you are found to be vile and disgusting.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 05:52 PM
Feb 2017

We are fundamentally more sexist than even India and Pakistan, both of which have elected female prime ministers.

calimary

(81,523 posts)
140. You make a valid point. Why was it so bad that she earned some great paychecks after she left
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 09:29 PM
Feb 2017

the State Department? What was she? Chopped liver? Don't think she was worth it, having performed beautifully on a world political and diplomatic scale? After being a successful and popular two-term Senator from a VERY big state - one that might not necessarily have been enthusiastic about her at first until she won them over with a statewide listening tour? After being a First Lady who did a LOT more than just bake cookies and have teas and pose with visiting troupes of Girl Scouts? A woman with a podium who wasn't afraid to use it to advocate for the greater good - not just in Arkansas but in Washington DC, the whole country, and the whole world? By the time she'd left the State Department after one term, she had ALREADY still earned Most Admired Woman in the World honors for about a dozen years in a row!

I wished SO badly that, whenever the inevitable criticism came up about how much she got paid for a speech, somebody somewhere would bother to point out what MEN of her stature were getting paid. I saw one set of figures that showed the top paycheck for a speech was paid to a male peer for 600-and-some-thousand dollars. I think it was either 625- or 650-THOUSAND dollars. By contrast, she got 225- or 250-thousand bucks for the same kind of speech. If I remember correctly, there was a list of five or six highest-paid speakers and what their fees were. All were men. Except for her. And she was at the bottom of this list. WHY did nobody EVER point that out?

And I forgot to add in my long-winded rant just above - I'm old enough to remember when you couldn't pay somebody to say they voted for Nixon. Watergate really pushed him underwater. Nixon voters could NOT be found. And he actually won his elections flat-out, popular vote and Electoral College, both times. You could find a winged unicorn in the flesh before you scrounged up a Nixon voter. NO ONE would admit to it. I bet we'll see the same thing about trump. It could wind up being a question of - before IMPEACHMENT? or after IMPEACHMENT?.

BainsBane

(53,074 posts)
142. My guess
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 09:48 PM
Feb 2017

Is their some sort of semiconscious resentment that a woman has more money than some men do.

Cha

(297,774 posts)
90. I don't care that you don't care.. Just because she has money.. all
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 07:14 PM
Feb 2017

politicians do.. doesn't mean she doesn't give back.

She's been working all her life to give back and..

That's what the Clinton Foundation does..

A Year in Review: 11 Inspiring Moments from 2016

https://www.clintonfoundation.org/blog/2016/12/22/year-review-11-inspiring-moments-2016

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
8. America missed a golden opportunity
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:15 PM
Feb 2017

She would have carried us forward from President Obama with grace, passion and integrity. Instead, we live in fear that the unqualified, petulant manchild will bring us to a collision course with disaster after disaster.

LisaM

(27,842 posts)
53. Agreed, and it's not as if she's going to disappear.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 05:38 PM
Feb 2017

I'm not happy about all the negative comments this thread has triggered (though they're to be expected, I guess), but the fact is that Hillary has been and is a worker. I expect that she'll continue to plug away in some capacity, and (I'm not calling for editorial comments here), the Clinton foundation still exists and presumably is still going forward with its good work.

There are some for whom Hillary will never be good enough. I well recall 2008 when a picture that made her look about 120 years old kept getting posted here and a certain faction piled on about her age. (I was called "a (sic) old hag" for supporting her, which I will never forget). Now she's looking whole and healthy and that's not okay either.

GEESH!!!!

ffr

(22,672 posts)
13. Under her quiet exterior.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:20 PM
Feb 2017

To everything that's befelled our nation since Comey, Giuliani, and the Russians conspired their election coup.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
16. Privileged people get to laugh and say "I told you so."
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:22 PM
Feb 2017

I am not saying anything about Clinton, but that is a really gross message to send to people who have legitimate reasons to be concerned about Trump's policies.

Hekate

(90,848 posts)
18. Speaking of "gross messages," you've managed to sprinkle quite a lot of nastygrams in this thread
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:26 PM
Feb 2017

Just spit it out, why don't you: you don't like her, and you feel great envy that she and Bill have managed to do well in this world even as they do good in this world.

Response to Hekate (Reply #18)

ffr

(22,672 posts)
19. I disagree. It's an emotional message of just how grossly the hoodwinked voters
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:30 PM
Feb 2017

misjudged it on election day.

I love it and will continue to broadcast it, because I'm proud of the campaign she ran and the fact that just about everything she said would happen if tRump was elected has come true. Her only mistake was by how bad tRump has been already. I'd say beyond comprehension.

I love her and Bill Clinton and will enthusiastically support them to my dying day. Great giving people, both of them.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
25. I absolutely support your sharing it, of course.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:36 PM
Feb 2017

But rich white people laughing and saying "I told you so" is definitely not something that moves me positively.

emulatorloo

(44,192 posts)
60. You do understand Hillary did not make that meme, don't you?
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 05:47 PM
Feb 2017

That is a picture of Hillary with words that some dude on the internet put together. Has nothing to do with HRC the actual person.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
100. You mean like so many that call themselves the only "true progressives?"
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 07:41 PM
Feb 2017

And view Comrade Casino's election as validation that the Democrats have "lost their way" by ignoring the plight of the straight white male?

CountAllVotes

(20,878 posts)
24. She looks great!
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:36 PM
Feb 2017

Amazing what some rest and relaxation can do for a person! Glad to see her looking so well!



 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
32. yeah, she did her best and we rejected her. i don't begrudge her using her time for healing
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:44 PM
Feb 2017

and focusing on her family and her happiness.

Mike Nelson

(9,971 posts)
39. Great to see...
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 05:00 PM
Feb 2017

...her looking so well! She had the winning message - Stronger Together - and should be proud. Thank you for listening and fighting, Hillary!



PS: First Families don't have financial worries and she does appear to be Caucasian. No revelations, either!

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
44. MY president looks very nice and happy in that pic
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 05:04 PM
Feb 2017

so does the First Gentleman. I hope they are having a nice post election break.

DittoTheCat2

(16 posts)
48. Hillary is Ready to Get Back to Work!
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 05:26 PM
Feb 2017

I'm new to posting on the site. Enrolled just before the hacking. Been reading a lot of the comments. I'm just starting to get past the grieving and ready to move forward. I'm am angry but looking forward to doing whatever it takes to get Democrats elected.

I'm glad Hillary is looking radiant. Good for her. She is a hell of a woman! Just because she has money doesn't bother me. She is a woman who has had to deal with so much hatred and vileness from the Republicans and their ilk and has come through like a beacon of hope for the rest of us to pick ourselves up from the Nov 8th tragedy and start to rise to great heights.

Had lunch with an old friend today and we talked about the election and how we felt. I feel like she is still grieving the loss in a big way and is having a hard time dealing with her anger.

Whatever it takes for us to defeat that horrid creature in the WH, let's do it!

BainsBane

(53,074 posts)
133. Some ran more than twice
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:15 PM
Feb 2017

But no Democrat has ever won the nomination after losing the GE. I don't recall anyone even seeking the nomination after losing the GE.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
151. Actually, Al Gore did run twice. He ran and lost in 1988. In any event, this talk is all nonsense.
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 02:10 PM
Feb 2017

HRC is retired. And it is hardly her fault that the FBI repeatedly intervened on behalf of her opponent and constantly lied to the American people.

It is rather remarkable that she had the race won--by a decisive margin--with 11 days to go before the final Comey intervention. It speaks volumes about what a good candidate she was, what a great campaign she ran, and what a fabulous job she did as a Senator and as Secretary of State.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
130. All Gore did lose twice.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:09 PM
Feb 2017

Once in a primary and once in a general.

Just want to clear up someone's alternate facts.

SylviaD

(721 posts)
98. ...really? And you know what the Democratic Party needs how?
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 07:36 PM
Feb 2017

I think we need to decide that as a party, not on your say-so. Many would disagree with you, including this Democrat.

Hekate

(90,848 posts)
101. Like Bernie, Jill, and whatsisname all have! That's the way to go into the future!
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 07:41 PM
Feb 2017

Oh wait what? You mean NOBODY ELSE has made such an announcement? And NOBODY ELSE has had that demand made of them?

What's wrong with this picture?

I get so effing tired of the Special Rules Written Just for Hillary that are purveyed on this board.

athena

(4,187 posts)
108. HRC haters are so filled with hate. And yet they can't see that their hate hurts THEM most.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 07:54 PM
Feb 2017

It must be very sad to live life as someone who hates HRC so much that they still can't let go of their hate, despite having gotten exactly what they wanted and ensured that she didn't become president.

Enjoy the fact that HRC is not president. Enjoy how sad you imagine she must feel about it. And, most of all, enjoy the corrollary: Trump's presidency. You got exactly what you wanted. And your hate against HRC is hurting you a lot more than it's hurting her. She, I'm sure, has love, not hate in her heart. And love, unlike hate, makes one feel good. It's called karma.

LS_Editor

(893 posts)
112. I voted for her. Not that it's any of your business. You know nothing about me. Your hatred of me is
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 07:58 PM
Feb 2017

an ironic example of how you are hurt by your hate. It works entirely against your point.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
109. A preemptive "I'm not running."
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 07:56 PM
Feb 2017


I'm sure you requested the same public statement from Gore. Just kidding. I know you didn't.

LS_Editor

(893 posts)
116. Yup. Who lost both a general election and a primary where he was heavily favored?
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:00 PM
Feb 2017

Oh wait. Neither of those things.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
122. Al Gore lost a primary and a General election.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:03 PM
Feb 2017

You truly have no clue what you are talking about. You say context and don't even know Gore lost a primary and General. Tee it up. Hit it out of the park. That was too easy. Alternative Context is what is being dealt with here.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
114. what context?
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 07:59 PM
Feb 2017

You dislike her.. that is your issue and the only context required for your comment.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
123. LOL what does it say about me?
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:03 PM
Feb 2017

I don't care what Hillary decides to do at this point - it's up to her. Perhaps you should let it go....

BainsBane

(53,074 posts)
136. It says she knows recent political history
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:22 PM
Feb 2017

Basic stuff like Al Gore losing a primary before he became a GE candidate.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
75. All the assholes out there (and here)
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 06:25 PM
Feb 2017

who didn't vote or voted 3rd party - This could have been your president.

Yeah. Still a little pissed. But I think it is important to remember that there are consequences to inaction as well as action.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
126. More than a little pissed
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:04 PM
Feb 2017

Very sad she lost, but even sadder and pissed he won. She seems to have recovered faster than I have. Im glad she seems ok; Bill still seems to adore her. It's hard to get over it when he is dismantling the world. At first, I told myself to give him a chance. I did. He is a looney Toons case who may start a WW. At best, he will cause more damage to our country than any other prez

3catwoman3

(24,055 posts)
76. I can't help but wonder if, mixed in...
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 06:27 PM
Feb 2017

...with the profound disappointment she must feel, there mightn't be a tiny bit of personal relief that she wiil not have to deal with the relentless obstruction that President Obama faced 24/7/365x2.

She would have handled it just as graciously as he did, no doubt.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
85. I mean Trump is carving up America
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 06:53 PM
Feb 2017

For his Nazi businessmen. Excuse me if I can't find the time to care.

Hekate

(90,848 posts)
104. How I wish I was in that group photo
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 07:49 PM
Feb 2017


Just between you and me, Cha, they look older in that photo than a year ago. But good. Kind of like they are both convalescing from a bout with some dreadfull illness -- coming back to full strength.

May the gods bless them both.

Cha

(297,774 posts)
119. I know.. I really like that cast group photo! I think they
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:01 PM
Feb 2017

look pretty good.. healthy and they're out on a night on Broadway. We all have our ways to get away from the heat of the battle to R&R.

I have no doubt like President Obama they will be continue working for what's best for the People of our country and the Planet.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,125 posts)
105. Based on what we have seen the last two months
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 07:49 PM
Feb 2017

she probably would have been under physical threat all day everyday from these filthy fucking assholes who now run our country.

It would have driven her crazy and into sickness. Dont blame her if she tells us all to fuck off, especially the really bright among us who voted 3rd party.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
107. Clinton!!!!! You picked who for Secretary of State!!!
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 07:53 PM
Feb 2017

The things I wish we were discussing right now.

Upthevibe

(8,075 posts)
143. I see that and my heart sinks but I'm glad they look happy. God knows if she had won she would have
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:45 PM
Feb 2017

been treated like SHIT. She has done so much for the world that most people have no idea about and yet she's been treated worse than ANYONE I've ever known or heard about... Thanks to Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingram, Bill O'Reilly, etc. The only satisfaction I get is that they don't have the Clinton's to brutalize anymore. I wonder what they talk about now?????

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
145. Well said.
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 07:49 AM
Feb 2017

They have to be against an individual in order to foment hate and division. That isn't as easy when you hold both houses and the executive branch. They seem to be floundering between Obama and a few others. They meet their own definition of snowflake the way they have the power yet are still attacking like petulant little children.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
144. Love her so much! I'm so very proud of all that she's done ...
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 01:24 AM
Feb 2017

... as a TRUE and LOYAL Democrat, I find her so inspiring.

lillypaddle

(9,581 posts)
147. Just imagine how exhausted, both mentally & phsyically
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 10:23 AM
Feb 2017

she must have been. It was Bill's turn to be there for her, and it appears he has been

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
148. What a beautiful picture!
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 01:17 PM
Feb 2017

I'm so glad to see them looking happy and relaxed. Thanks, kpete!

As for some of the people in this thread who can't stand Hillary looking wonderful, Fuck you. Haters gotta hate.

(Note: I'm not naming names, so hold your alert. You know who you are.)

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