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babylonsister

(171,092 posts)
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 09:23 PM Feb 2017

Charles P. Pierce: We Know How This Ends

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a52797/bannon-white-supremacy/

We Know How This Ends

The White House is once again tolerant of white supremacy.


Getty Bob Daemmrich
By Charles P. Pierce
Feb 2, 2017


WASHINGTON—There are some remarkable stories that have vanished for now in this city. One of the most prominent of these is that out-and-out white supremacy is operating at the very top levels of the executive branch of the government in a way that it hasn't since, I don't know, the Wilson administration. The Collected Works of Steve Bannon are bad enough. From USA Today:

"They are motivated. They're arrogant. They're on the march. And they think the Judeo-Christian West is on the retreat."


And, if Bannon isn't enough, there's this guy who looks at immigration as an invasion, an act of war. Which, of course, never has been a problem anywhere else in the world, ever. From New York:

"The ceaseless importation of Third World foreigners with no tradition of, taste for, or experience in liberty means that the electorate grows more left, more Democratic, less Republican, less republican, and less traditionally American with every cycle."


The whole campaign stank of this kind of thing, but there was a great scrambling during the campaign to minimize or to ignore it, or at least to minimize or ignore the possibility that it would continue to flourish within the administration. (This manifested itself more clearly in the stubborn refusal by many news organizations to recognize how vital this phenomenon was to the campaign's overall appeal.) This, it seems, was very premature. This development on Wednesday is downright unnerving. From Reuters:

The program, "Countering Violent Extremism," or CVE, would be changed to "Countering Islamic Extremism" or "Countering Radical Islamic Extremism," the sources said, and would no longer target groups such as white supremacists who have also carried out bombings and shootings in the United States. Such a change would reflect Trump's election campaign rhetoric and criticism of former President Barack Obama for being weak in the fight against Islamic State and for refusing to use the phrase "radical Islam" in describing it. Islamic State has claimed responsibility for attacks on civilians in several countries.


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There is no question that this old, rough beast has been unleashed in our politics again. The first steps in unlocking the cage happened years ago, when modern conservatism attached itself to the reanimated corpse of American apartheid and rode it to glory. Anyone who doesn't see the danger should pay a visit to Oklahoma City. That is what we can do to each other if our leaders are reckless, ambitious men who think what they say has no consequences.

In the museum near where the Murrah Building once stood, there is the handle of a jack that was in the back of the truck in which Timothy McVeigh placed his bomb. That jack handle was blown nearly a quarter of a mile and lodged in the wall of a law office. There is also a clear tube containing hundreds of watches, all stopped at 9:03. No political gain is worth that.
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Charles P. Pierce: We Know How This Ends (Original Post) babylonsister Feb 2017 OP
Kick 'n' Rec pat_k Feb 2017 #1
K & R ...... nt Wounded Bear Feb 2017 #2
It's FEAR. Plain and simple. "Less Republican" does NOT equal "less American" CousinIT Feb 2017 #3
KICK@! Cha Feb 2017 #4
K&R! gademocrat7 Feb 2017 #5
Timothy McVeigh. Some of us don't forget that a daycare center was in that building.... Hekate Feb 2017 #6
and the far-reaching implications that the aftermath wrought Horse with no Name Feb 2017 #8
Which country did Timothy McVeigh immigrate from as a refugee? IronLionZion Feb 2017 #14
We actually had to remind an elderly uncle murielm99 Feb 2017 #20
I believe both McVeigh and Nichols NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #22
K&R Solly Mack Feb 2017 #7
What do you suppose the home-grown radicals will do with their slightly belated Christmas present? Girard442 Feb 2017 #9
K & R for Charles Pierce. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2017 #10
I LOVE Charlie Pierce. calimary Feb 2017 #11
heartsick k andr niyad Feb 2017 #12
K&R. Thanks, Charlie Pierce. Paladin Feb 2017 #13
McVeigh thought he had a microchip implanted in his head... ymetca Feb 2017 #15
I had a strange experience at the Oklahoma City Memorial pamela Feb 2017 #16
These coutured skinheads aren't just willing to break a few eggs... dchill Feb 2017 #17
"our leaders... think what they say has no consequences"? not at all, they know it has consequences unblock Feb 2017 #18
And let's be aware, Pierce is referring to the Southern Strategy when he says this: BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2017 #19
There it is... IthinkThereforeIAM Feb 2017 #28
And supporters in high places. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2017 #29
Here you go... IthinkThereforeIAM Feb 2017 #30
Thank you!!!! BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2017 #31
White Supremacist killed 6 people in Quebec 5 days ago. He's anti-immigrant & a tRump licker. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #21
And Trump the terrorist hunter has not tweeted a single word about that terrorist incident workinclasszero Feb 2017 #24
I lived in Oklahoma City for awhile. I took everyone who visited me to that memorial. a la izquierda Feb 2017 #23
The part about the police is spot on. wildeyed Feb 2017 #25
As usual, he is right. DK504 Feb 2017 #26
"There is also a clear tube containing hundreds of watches, all stopped at 9:03." Native Feb 2017 #27

Hekate

(90,814 posts)
6. Timothy McVeigh. Some of us don't forget that a daycare center was in that building....
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:24 PM
Feb 2017

...or the photo of a devastated firefighter carrying the shreds of a dead baby.

Thanks to Charles Pierce for remembering where this leads too.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
8. and the far-reaching implications that the aftermath wrought
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:34 PM
Feb 2017
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/07/23/magazine/death-on-the-cnn-curve.html?pagewanted=all

"Most of all, it is a cautionary tale for a time when Capt. Scott O'Grady, plucked from enemy territory in Bosnia, leaves his hospital bed to appear live with Larry King, and an Oklahoma surgeon, after spending an hour amputating a woman's leg to free her from the rubble of a bombed Federal building, emerges to spend a week giving almost nonstop interviews. In the days before he died, Robert O'Donnell, like most of the rest of the country at the time, was tuned to the coverage of the Oklahoma City rescue effort on television. He had wanted to go to Oklahoma himself, to try to do something to help, maybe to be a hero again, but he didn't have enough money for the trip. He was quiet while he watched, his mother remembers, but, after several hours he said something she will never forget. Pointing to a wide shot of the rescue workers, he shook his head and said, "Those people are going to need a lot of help for a very long time."

IronLionZion

(45,530 posts)
14. Which country did Timothy McVeigh immigrate from as a refugee?
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 04:18 PM
Feb 2017

Trump should ban everyone from that country or who looks like him.



murielm99

(30,764 posts)
20. We actually had to remind an elderly uncle
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 05:24 PM
Feb 2017

a few years ago.

He said, "Well, I haven't seen any blonde-haired, blue-eyed terrorists lately."

Two of my three children, and I, said in unison, "Timothy McVeigh."

calimary

(81,485 posts)
11. I LOVE Charlie Pierce.
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 12:57 PM
Feb 2017

For his wit, of course, but when he hunkers down in the dead-serious department, he's just as brilliant, if not moreso. He's got these bastards SOOOOOOOOO pegged.

He was one of the earliest, along with Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo, to have antennae up, full, on the Russian connection. They both warned about this last year while the campaign was still, if not in its infancy, then its toddler phase.

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
15. McVeigh thought he had a microchip implanted in his head...
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 04:24 PM
Feb 2017

But I think it unlikely the militia types will target the government again until a Democrat gets back in charge. Right now they appear to be targeting mosques and synagogues, because they think they can get away with it. Can they?

I'm am reminded of Quinn's line at the end of the movie Reign of Fire, where he says, "If they come, they'll burn, we'll build. Or maybe I'll just kill 'em."

Or my other favorite line, "Only one thing worse than a dragon... Americans."

pamela

(3,469 posts)
16. I had a strange experience at the Oklahoma City Memorial
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 04:25 PM
Feb 2017

Not really sure why I'm telling this in this thread other than it's a story I've wanted to tell. It haunts me.

My husband and I were driving cross-country with our dog in '05. We didn't have much time so any stops had to be right along our route. One of those, on our way back, was the OKC memorial. We didn't want to leave our dog in the car so when we went into the memorial site, we took turns.

Now, I didn't know much about the design of the site at the time. I thought the reflecting pool was the footprint of the building. I walked along the reflecting pool and thought about the building that *I thought* had stood there and the countless photos I had seen of the destruction. I reflected. About two thirds of the way up, I left the pool and crossed over to the side with the chairs. Shortly after crossing, I felt this blast (no other word to describe it) of pure evil.

I couldn't stand being there after that. I started walking really fast. Really, really fast. I told myself I was just hurrying because hubby and the dog were waiting for me but I felt panicky and disoriented. My husband said I was white as a sheet when I got back. I felt strange for hours afterwords. We stopped at a trading post and I swear, I was walking into walls and displays. We had to get out of there before I broke something.

That night, I looked up the OKC Memorial website and read more about it. I was surprised to read that the reflecting pool was not the footprint of the building as I had thought, but that the field of chairs was where the building had stood. Then I realized, by looking at the design and photos of the bombing, that the spot I was standing on when I felt that blast of evil was pretty much exactly at the site where the Ryder truck was parked. I swear, I have never felt anything as strong and sickening and evil as I did that day. It still gives me chills when I think about it.

unblock

(52,326 posts)
18. "our leaders... think what they say has no consequences"? not at all, they know it has consequences
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 04:52 PM
Feb 2017

and they think they can profit from them.

they are more than happy to have a few violent extremists (homegrown or otherwise) commit a few acts of terrorism.

they'll just say, see i told you so and demand the curtailment of more liberties and enjoy a bump in the polls.


our institutions are broken. we lack an effective way to make politicians pay a price for their stochastic terrorism. there's too much incentive to re-elect incumbents and too many overly safe districts. not to mention heavy propaganda and a whole lot of voter suppression.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
19. And let's be aware, Pierce is referring to the Southern Strategy when he says this:
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 05:21 PM
Feb 2017

"The first steps in unlocking the cage happened years ago, when modern conservatism attached itself to the reanimated corpse of American apartheid and rode it to glory. "

CONservative republicans attached themselves to the South, offering safe harbor to angry "Southern Democrats" who felt verrrrrry angry at the awareness of shared humanity coming from leaders such as JFK, RFK and MLK and the fight for Civil Rights that was gathering Northern "Elite" support.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,077 posts)
30. Here you go...
Sat Feb 4, 2017, 10:35 AM
Feb 2017

... it's a start:

"The perception that the Republican Party had served as the "vehicle of white supremacy in the South," particularly during the Goldwater campaign and the presidential elections of 1968 and 1972, made it difficult for the Republican Party to win the support of black voters in the South in later years.[4] In 2005, Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman formally apologized to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), a national civil rights organization, for exploiting racial polarization to win elections and ignoring the black vote.[13][14]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

In a nutshell: LBJ's support of the civil rights bill turned the southern Democratic Party members against him. They fled to the GOP, ie... Strom Thurmond, and turned the racists into Republicans in the south.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
31. Thank you!!!!
Sat Feb 4, 2017, 03:42 PM
Feb 2017

I Apprecify Dat!

Sometimes when your info is minimal, it's hard to even think of what to google next.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
24. And Trump the terrorist hunter has not tweeted a single word about that terrorist incident
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 08:48 PM
Feb 2017

Gee...I wonder why?

a la izquierda

(11,797 posts)
23. I lived in Oklahoma City for awhile. I took everyone who visited me to that memorial.
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 06:24 PM
Feb 2017

What a powerful reminder of hate.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
25. The part about the police is spot on.
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 08:49 PM
Feb 2017

The Border Patrol union out and out endorsed Trump in the election, first time ever that they pick a side on an election. And the police unions did too. We saw how slow border agents were to follow judicial order after the botched executive order on immigration and how Trump's admin refused to cooperate by giving clear direction to the agents to cease and desist.

Police departments are militarized now and no where near as disciplined as our military. We know they many individuals within are hostile to the communities they patrol (many are not). Some already behave like an occupying force (not all). We know that many within (not all) are raging against any type of review or transparency and are vicious to anyone who questions them (just like Trump).

I'm not saying that all police are disloyal. Just that enough might be to make the situation dicey if they decide to start cracking down on protest in any widespread manner. We KNOW that this administration does not play be the rule book. They shit on the rule book. And we know they want chaos to advance their white supremacist views. Anyone with a brain who can read should be deeply concerned with where this all goes.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
26. As usual, he is right.
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 08:55 PM
Feb 2017

" ... that out-and-out white supremacy is operating at the very top levels of the executive branch of the government ..."

Let's please call it what it is however, he's a nazi. Java the Butt spews this shit out like he is working for the National Enquirer. To bad for us, that isn't where he actually works.

"The whole campaign stank of this kind of thing, but there was a great scrambling during the campaign to minimize or to ignore it"

Sadly enough the sentiments and hatred was so white hot the media was to afraid of being burned by an impotent man-child with the IQ of a 5 years. It was all right there every day all day and no one had the balls to stand up to a grade school bully. For over a year we watched as the media thought all this was a great joke, then did NOTHING to correct or show the light on the darkest of all cockroaches.

Native

(5,943 posts)
27. "There is also a clear tube containing hundreds of watches, all stopped at 9:03."
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 09:07 PM
Feb 2017

"No political gain is worth that."

This ending totally slayed me.

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