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And, compare that to putin's list

I also wonder if Putin told him what to say in response to questions about Russia's track record. It's classic cold war propaganda.

him to the hilt.. trump is Russia's Trojan horse.

There are no innocent world powers.

he still didn't target journalists for assassination who were critical of him.

there may be no innocents but it also isn't an excuse to continue to do harm. it's like saying what trump is doing is ok because of what some other muslims did .

or making excuses for sexual assault on japanese girls because of pearl harbor.

and occupation.

There are no innocents among world powers
Too many folks don't know what their governments have done in the name of 'national interests'.

What most of us like about the US is the fight from large numbers of the American people to maintain the rule of law and liberal democracy - but imperialism/empire is what it is.

so if Trump goes after minorties in the US and Australia criticizes him would you respond by bringing up how australia has treated aboriginal community ?

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so yes. I would also point out how Australia treats minorities and refugees right now,

World powers have killed journalists and lots of innocents for their national interests.
This planet needs some folks who have convictions - I'm sick of our double standards - it is not OK when it's our side.

Since every country has a history of some kind of oppression, the only difference being scale.

So even a journalist living in the West, who has issues with their own country's domestic and foreign policy, cannot criticize Russia ( or anyone else for that matter) simply because they live in the West. Or even if they once agreed with their country's national policy - it removes focus from the act to the realm of "whatabouteries"..

We are not in the same bag as Russia by any stretch of the imagination. We have freedoms here ( even freedoms we take for granted) that allows us to criticize the actions of our government when they overstep bounds. In Russia, you have to leave and become exiled or get killed.

It is not the same.

but not all world powers are equally bad. All world powers have done bad things, but equally bad? As you said yourself, we have "Liberal Democracy and rule of law" - we can openly dissent and there are courts and precedents that uphold basic human rights.

Refugees and exiles come to the U.S why? because of freedom.

Our moral relativism about this is why reformers and exiles ( Kasparov for example) get frustrated with our lack of consistency. When we navel gaze so much, we see ourselves in the same boat of a dictatorship, meanwhile reformers and agitators in those countries yearn for the same institutions and protections we decry in our own country.

Our civil rights movement and other social justice movements that originated here have been the standard bearer for the rest of the world...

and enshrined it.
That's the most basic of civil rights the right not to be someone's property - the right to be free.

Read about the Haitian Revolution - read their Constitution and then tell me how the French and Americans dealt with them.

I have Caribbean roots - I'm also familiar with the writings of Fanon and others.

And Haiti's history hasn't been easy neither perfect, they too have had their share of *revolutionaries ( but also dictators) - but again, that doesn't justify muddying the water when it comes to criticizing any country for abuses of human rights or us equating ourselves with Putin's regime in the current dispensation. .....Not by a long shot. That again, is an example of whataboutism described in the video.

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And not at all presidential.

For one, the context was Russia/Putin's current atrocities, including the 2nd assassination attempt on Vladimir Kara-Murza, an outspoken Putin critic, just last week.

To support his man-crush (blackmailer?) Putin, Trump threw United States, the country he now leads, under the bus. That was not the right time or place to say something like that.

Trump is a guy who has attacked everyone from the pope down to unknown union bosses. But he does back flips to defend Putin & that style of government. Under Trump's regime, we're going to see journalists disappearing right here in this country, and the GOP will sit on their hands and pretend nothing's wrong.

Second, if a Democrat ever said anything like that, s/he would be impeached. They accused President Obama of going on an apology tour. How would they describe Trump's consistently anti-American comments if trump were a Democrat?

Let him hang himself - I don't give a flying fuck
But that doesn't change the fact - there are no innocents among world powers.

that the accumulation of power, by its very nature, must kill. Therefore every Christ must be crucified.

Perhaps it is that none of us want to admit how all our little "wealth accumulations" must add up to mass murder in some larger context.

Maybe our "so-called" President was in-artfully attempting to say, "let's not cast the first stone."

But he is as much a second-order killer now as Putin. For he may not have shot those children himself, but he certainly ordered it.

Bombs during a war are not even close to the same thing as having journalist who print things you don't like killed. I deplore all wars, but you defense of Trump is not warranted.

He should name a journalist he intends to kill

The subtext of his statement is that murdering journalists is OK because everyone does it

in the "I know something you don't know!" vein. And to defend himself from his accusers over Putin.

He's said some ridiculous things in his life, he's a hypocrite, I expect him to say crap, but even for him this was pretty blatant.

Chuck Schumer or some other high ranking Democrat that's come out against Trump would have to be shot dead on the National Mall.

stunning what the asshole got away with all 2016.

If things get even more leery, we could see a re-run of the OK Corral.

Depending who got hurt, it would certainly test his theory ...

For real though, spicer looks like he's packing every time he holds a presser.

It was an idle boast anyway. I doubt Donny could hit a barn door with a banjo. And he'd need a _{very small gun}.

a true enemy of liberty and freedom

then yes it was deliberate.

He's just a stupid asshole who's been told that he needs to normalize Russia, or else.

His response to the CIA's report on Russian interference : Whatabouterisms about intelligence over Iraq

And criticism leveled at him during the campaign trail would get a litany of whatabouterisms from him, especially his chosen lies about HRC which he used to deflect. I think he's been exposed enough to Putin's methodologies to pick up this approach.

It's sort of like the Tu Quoque argument.

For him it's intentional w.r.t Russia. That is worrying.

He was raised to be a killer...
"From early childhood, Hurt wrote, Fred used to tell his boys “you are a killer … you are a king … you are a killer … you are a king…”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/killer-king-education-donald-trump-000000711.html

People brought up our actions in Iraq under Dubya, as if that somehow made things magically all better.

... drums and other sound effects.

It's why he said it that is troubling. Why is he defending Putin at all?

Republicans and their supporters use it a lot as well as incompetent media talking heads.

Trump's defense of his Putin Love - "What about the Iran Deal and Obama?? No one had anything to say about that??"

sigh

While the whole world is rolling on the floor laughing its ass off. What a nincompoop.