General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAre We On the Verge of Another Civil War?
The historian David Armitage didnt intend his new book to be a handbook for our times. But thats just what it is.
Police Officers in riot gear line up across from anti-Milo Yiannopoulos protesters at UCCS in Colorado Springs, January 26, 2017. (Jerilee Bennett / The Gazette via AP)
TODAY 7:30 AM
By Richard Kreitner
A decade ago, when David Armitage began working on his new book, Civil Wars: A History in Ideas, published this week by Harvard University Press, he had no idea how relevant the subject would become. These days, its hard to avoid concluding that American society is tearing itself apart. Several observations and arguments in the book can be harrowing to readthat the nations mostly likely to devolve into civil wars are those who that have suffered such conflicts before; that civil wars are most likely when the government is divided against itself; that politics is civil war by other means. Civil Wars ranges over more than two millennia of history, law, and philosophy, but it feels as urgent as the latest shock, as fresh as tomorrows news.
I recently spoke with Armitage about his book. The conversation has been lightly edited.
You write in the book that you began working on this book after you found the past rhyming with the present. What were some of those rhymes that you saw, and what questions were you trying to answer?
I was on academic leave in that period when the Second Gulf War was at the height of its violence, around December 2006 and early 2007. I was in residence during that period at Huntington Library in Southern California, which holds the papers of Francis Lieber, whose name was popping up in the media discussion about Iraq around the same time. Even though he was a nineteenth-century Prussian, he became newly relevant because he produced the first codification of laws of war and debates about treatment of enemy combatants, subjects very much at issue at the time I was encountering his work.
Among his papers at the Huntington Library was correspondence with his boss, Henry Hallek, a Union general, about the code and, in particular, about the absence of discussion of civil war in ita strange omission for a code of the laws of war in the midst of the what became known as the US Civil War. There was no legal definition available to him, so he had to describe and define civil war in legal terms that exactly coincided with highly ideological debates in the media and in Congress about whether or not the violence in Iraq should be considered a civil war, or instead a rebellion or an insurgency or an insurrection. As I was reading this mid-nineteenth century correspondence I was hearing in the news and in the papers about how hard it still was to define a civil war. Thats one of those moments when, as Mark Twain said, history rhymes. I realized that these were two data pointsone from the 1860s, and one from the 2000swhich were part of a longer history of civil war that needed reconstructing.
https://www.thenation.com/article/are-we-on-the-verge-of-another-civil-war/
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)They only vary in levels of violence.
no_hypocrisy
(46,182 posts)Mainline Protestant and Catholic churches against evangelical and fundamentalist Christian churches.
And of course, the evangelical and fundamentalist Christian churches against everyone who isn't.
Initech
(100,102 posts)The one thing that's keeping us from being a totalitarian fascist theocracy and now the Christofascists want to get that repealed. If that happens it's game over. Churches will be able to elect the scariest extreme far right candidates that they can find. And there will be no opposition to stop them. And those fuckers will now be coming for it.
They said this same stuff in the 60s when there was far more violence than now. Americans are far too lazy and comfortable to actually fight.
dembotoz
(16,832 posts)Turbineguy
(37,365 posts)fellow Americans.
Of course for most of them that would mean leaving the comfort and warmth of their Mothers' basements.
BSdetect
(8,999 posts)2naSalit
(86,775 posts)ElementaryPenguin
(7,800 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... for them do to sense of entitlement
Paladin
(28,272 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)I don't see bullets flying, they're happy where they are, we're happy where we are. We're not 300 million lumped on top of ourselves in an area the size of West Virginia. There's plenty of room for everyone.