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Is it worth trying to take Sessions' Senate seat? (Original Post) Ken Burch Feb 2017 OP
Don Siegelman? guillaumeb Feb 2017 #1
Would his "conviction" bar him from running, though? Ken Burch Feb 2017 #5
Someone could have pardoned him. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #7
A conviction does not bar anyone from running for federal office. former9thward Feb 2017 #26
Than maybe he COULD run. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #35
+ 1,000,000 no_hypocrisy Feb 2017 #27
Don't think Alabama is there yet, but you never know. Would probably have to be a relatively Hoyt Feb 2017 #2
We have to try, right? theglammistress Feb 2017 #3
I agree gratuitous Feb 2017 #43
Yes, I think so too. LisaM Feb 2017 #55
be there. TRY TRY TRY! EDUCATE. pansypoo53219 Feb 2017 #64
Yes. drray23 Feb 2017 #4
On her wikipedia: drray23 Feb 2017 #6
thanks for the info. rogue emissary Feb 2017 #10
Calling George Soros. oasis Feb 2017 #44
Only a Blue Dog would be successful down there Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2017 #8
maybe a jesus-quoting liberal could win on jesus style liberal values: heal the sick, msongs Feb 2017 #9
nope, for their the important "jesus" issues are Gays, Women, Guns JI7 Feb 2017 #22
You bet. That's why Blue Dog in a red state always is fine with me. The Party needs to support... Hekate Feb 2017 #12
We do need to make it clear, though, that they're obligated to support us on procedural votes. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #13
Personally I do not think we need to accept that conservative candidates.. mvd Feb 2017 #62
There is to my knowledge Sgent Feb 2017 #68
Well, usually the most conservative Dems are better than.. mvd Feb 2017 #69
Yes. rogue emissary Feb 2017 #11
Yes we do. elleng Feb 2017 #14
Yes, meadowlander Feb 2017 #15
Compete in EVERY state, EVERY county, EVERY district, EVERY race NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #16
Absolutely agree. drray23 Feb 2017 #37
Exactly! NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #38
Independent of money, that is fine idea HoneyBadger Feb 2017 #66
Talibama is beyond hope. They're still in the 1900's there geek tragedy Feb 2017 #17
With all that has happened, people who dislike Trump won't stay home NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #20
It's a one-party state. Just like the old days of Jim Crow geek tragedy Feb 2017 #21
Nonsense... NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #39
OF COURSE we have to try Stinky The Clown Feb 2017 #18
nope, if there was it would be someone much more right than Manchin JI7 Feb 2017 #19
50 state strategy means we try our best Lee-Lee Feb 2017 #23
It was filled yesterday by appointment sarah FAILIN Feb 2017 #24
Not how this works. drray23 Feb 2017 #28
He will be there till next election in 2018 sarah FAILIN Feb 2017 #29
Yes thats when the seat will be in play. drray23 Feb 2017 #30
I read that it would let him keep the seat till 2020 sarah FAILIN Feb 2017 #34
It'll be a special election in 2018 kudzu22 Feb 2017 #46
"Senator Strange"? Ken Burch Feb 2017 #45
Hi campaign signs are his first name sarah FAILIN Feb 2017 #47
Maybe he's hoping Vandross fans will vote for him by mistake. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #70
Sure, if you think there's some sort of political emergency endangering us all. Orsino Feb 2017 #25
we won't win and we will lose money La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #31
It is worth trying to take any seat up for grabs...even if by nikibatts Feb 2017 #32
i disagree on that. AL is not about to elect a Democratic Senator La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #33
No chance. The state party is broken. trof Feb 2017 #36
the state seems broken too La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #48
Yes... The whole state is corrupt from decades of rednecks running amok IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #71
Trying to convince the Talibornagains in Alabama to join our side? Good luck with that! Initech Feb 2017 #40
"Talibornagains" .... JHan Feb 2017 #51
It is worth trying as hard as we can to take any Senate Seat. Of course I'm saying that as lifelong mulsh Feb 2017 #41
Always. coco22 Feb 2017 #42
It would likely require a combination of a scandal from Luther Strange and Jose Garcia Feb 2017 #49
Of course! Make them defend it. Iggo Feb 2017 #50
The creepy governor filled the seat already. Vinca Feb 2017 #52
Now, where did that idea of a 50 state strategy come from? Eyeball_Kid Feb 2017 #53
Yes. If the election is held in 2018 when all house members are up Freethinker65 Feb 2017 #54
Of course! It's worth it to try and annabanana Feb 2017 #56
If the GOP can take Ted Kennedy's seat crazycatlady Feb 2017 #57
Yes. Especially if the Dems can find some football hero to run as a Democrat. GoCubsGo Feb 2017 #58
Nick Saban !!!!!! Rustyeye77 Feb 2017 #65
we don't fight we can't win. irisblue Feb 2017 #59
It has been filled by the guy investigating the governor. alarimer Feb 2017 #60
Of course! kentuck Feb 2017 #61
DSCC contact info crazycatlady Feb 2017 #63
The last Alabama Democratic US Senator I voted for and who won... yallerdawg Feb 2017 #67

former9thward

(32,023 posts)
26. A conviction does not bar anyone from running for federal office.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 10:15 AM
Feb 2017

Whether it is president, senate or house member.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Don't think Alabama is there yet, but you never know. Would probably have to be a relatively
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 10:13 PM
Feb 2017

conservative one to stand a real chance.

theglammistress

(348 posts)
3. We have to try, right?
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 10:14 PM
Feb 2017

This has been a problem of the modern Democratic party. Not aggressively going after EVERY seat, even in deep red territory. The Republicans make plays for every seats everywhere and we should too.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
43. I agree
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 03:09 PM
Feb 2017

And even a poor candidate will cause the Republicans to have to defend, spending money and time where they don't want to. And who can say? In a low-turnout, off-year, seat-filling election, maybe our candidate slips through.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
55. Yes, I think so too.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 04:24 PM
Feb 2017

That is why I find that it's absolutely essential that we understand there will be a more conservative wing of the party. It worries me when we go after a Senator for a single vote and threaten to "primary" that person. We'll never pick up seats in places like Alabama or West Virginia if we don't recognize it. And I'm not talking about a "Third Way" ideology. I'm talking about a party that accepts different ideologies (but of course having some core shared values). It matters when it comes to things like the judiciary, for example, that we have a majority. A robust party would include a liberal wing, a moderate faction, and a more conservative wing. We'll never have a majority in the Senate or House again if we don't accept this. I, myself, tend to think that I'm in the liberal wing, but I'm a pragmatist, too. I think balancing ideology and pragmatism is a good mix.

drray23

(7,633 posts)
4. Yes.
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 10:15 PM
Feb 2017
On the Democratic side, state Sen. Vivian Figures was the last to launch a bid against Sessions in 2008, when she earned nearly 40 percent of the vote. As state senator, Figures has had limited need for fundraising, drawing doubts that she could credibly run an effective campaign in the special election season. Although that deficit could change if the election is a special election held in 2017, since it would draw national attention from the Democratic Party looking to whittle down Republican numbers in the Senate.



Extracted from an article on a website that i should not post here. I will try to find a better source. Anyhow, It should be easy to check that statement however in records of past votings .


drray23

(7,633 posts)
6. On her wikipedia:
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 10:23 PM
Feb 2017
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivian_Davis_Figures

She got 37 % with almost no campaign funds ($199000 vs $5.5 millions) . With the backing of the dnc and the renewed activism by many democrats , maybe she has a chance.

rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
10. thanks for the info.
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 11:44 PM
Feb 2017

Whoever Repubs run will have to spend a lot of money and time getting their name recognition up. She could make it extremely close if not win the seat with some more funding behind her campaign.

msongs

(67,413 posts)
9. maybe a jesus-quoting liberal could win on jesus style liberal values: heal the sick,
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 10:27 PM
Feb 2017

feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, all that other stuff many christians deny

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
12. You bet. That's why Blue Dog in a red state always is fine with me. The Party needs to support...
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 11:57 PM
Feb 2017

...such candidates or we can just embrace permanent minority status.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
13. We do need to make it clear, though, that they're obligated to support us on procedural votes.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 12:05 AM
Feb 2017

A Dem who spends most of her or his time blocking what the vast majority of the party wants and insisting that the rest be watered-down to nothing is of little use to us.

Best to actually try rebuilding red state Dem parties from the bottom up, as people's parties of the many against the few.

mvd

(65,174 posts)
62. Personally I do not think we need to accept that conservative candidates..
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 04:38 PM
Feb 2017

must be the ones to win in Red States. We may not get my ideal, a Sanders type there. But we're already conceding ground and going against the Party's roots if we don't fight for populism, equality, the environment, and individual rights. Some have talked about holding their own in Red States because people respect them. I am not saying shut out views different than mine, but conceding ideas has led to our Party getting too conservative for me.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
68. There is to my knowledge
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 05:51 PM
Feb 2017

exactly one statewide elected Democrat in the deep south, and that's Gov John bel Edwards in Louisiana. He is about as conservative as you can get -- pro gun, anti choice, etc.

He also expanded Medicaid and insured an extra 400,000 residents, so I'll take what I can get.

BTW, prior to him the only elected D in Louisiana was Mary Landreau, not liked around here, but a damn site better than her replacement (Vitter).

mvd

(65,174 posts)
69. Well, usually the most conservative Dems are better than..
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 06:18 PM
Feb 2017

The Republican alternative. But, I feel the Red State Dems going TOO conservative helped result in their fates.

rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
11. Yes.
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 11:52 PM
Feb 2017

This is the trap we always fall into. We start deciding which races are worth it and we end up losing more seats every election.

meadowlander

(4,397 posts)
15. Yes,
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 12:48 AM
Feb 2017

both parties will be looking to the race as a way of taking the national temperature. If the republicans run a teabagger and they win by a landslide, they will use that as further proof of their mandate.

If the Dems lose but only by a slim margin in a seat that last year would have been a "safe" seat, it sends a message to republicans in more marginal seats to tread carefully.

 

NoGoodNamesLeft

(2,056 posts)
16. Compete in EVERY state, EVERY county, EVERY district, EVERY race
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 12:51 AM
Feb 2017

Don't concede one fucking inch...if we don't fight to overthrow the orange asshole and his band of dipshits with everything we've got then we deserve what they do to the country.

And the candidate should run as someone who wants to bring checks and balances back to Washington to try to prevent Trump from continuing on the executive order path of destruction.

drray23

(7,633 posts)
37. Absolutely agree.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 02:18 PM
Feb 2017

One of my friends who is retired decided he had to run for state senate here in virginia instead of letting the gop candidate run unnopposed. Our local "strongerUS" group is helping him get signatures, money and meetings with local community leaders. Even for an office like that you need 30k or so to be competitive...
I am very likely going to run for the board of supervisors in my county as soon as a seat opens ( next year) because we cant let the gop win by default. I may not win but its high time we start shaking up theses people. They need to be made to defend their positions and answer to their citizens. They have to be made uncomfortable and forced to be on the record for their support of Trump and his destructive behavior.

 

NoGoodNamesLeft

(2,056 posts)
38. Exactly!
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 02:36 PM
Feb 2017

Now is the time for people to challenge the GOP everywhere because the majority of people are not impressed with Trump or the GOP...but they have not felt strongly enough to vote before. I think more do now and that may be the key to overthrowing these asswipes.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
66. Independent of money, that is fine idea
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 05:25 PM
Feb 2017

Which is why you need to recruit young retired tech zillionaires to move to these states, spread the wealth, and run for office down the line.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
17. Talibama is beyond hope. They're still in the 1900's there
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 12:51 AM
Feb 2017

As in 1954.

No Democrat will win statewide there for another century.

 

NoGoodNamesLeft

(2,056 posts)
20. With all that has happened, people who dislike Trump won't stay home
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 12:56 AM
Feb 2017

They are going to be motivated to get their asses out and vote.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
21. It's a one-party state. Just like the old days of Jim Crow
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 01:05 AM
Feb 2017

All the white people vote Republican down there, because they see Democrats as the party of black people.

There are red districts and states where we can compete. Alabama is not one of them.

 

NoGoodNamesLeft

(2,056 posts)
39. Nonsense...
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 02:38 PM
Feb 2017

I live in an extremely red county and I only know ONE person who actually likes Trump and she has been very quiet since he took office. I'm sure she doesn't like what he's doing at all. Many people just don't bother vote because they don't have any different choices...so GIVE THEM OPTIONS!

drray23

(7,633 posts)
28. Not how this works.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 12:08 PM
Feb 2017

The governor indeed appoints a replacement until elections can be held. Its not permanent.

drray23

(7,633 posts)
30. Yes thats when the seat will be in play.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 12:28 PM
Feb 2017

This only leaves a year to find a reliable candidate, raise the money, etc.. we can only guess how much more damage Trump will have done by then. This could make it competitive given that the last dem to try it got nearly 40 % with no name recognition and scant campaign funds.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
34. I read that it would let him keep the seat till 2020
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 12:44 PM
Feb 2017

Which is when the term would've been up. So we get an early shot at it

kudzu22

(1,273 posts)
46. It'll be a special election in 2018
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 03:39 PM
Feb 2017

Which would choose who serves the final two years of Sessions' term. Then whoever wins would presumably run for reelection in 2020 for the next six-year term.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
47. Hi campaign signs are his first name
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 03:46 PM
Feb 2017

Super size all caps With his surname really sma)l underneath , lol. LUTHER....(strange)

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
31. we won't win and we will lose money
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 12:31 PM
Feb 2017

so sort of depends on who wants to be the sacrificial lamb and how much money we have.

much like had HRC tapped Gillibrand for her cabinet (entirely possible), the GOP would not win that seat.

but we should run someone good just to articulate our message loudly.

so yeah i guess, we should run someone knowing they wouldn't win and would lose money.

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
32. It is worth trying to take any seat up for grabs...even if by
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 12:32 PM
Feb 2017

deceptive means, like running as a RINO who is actually a Democratic progressive.
We need to use everything in the book. RESIST AND PERSIST
11

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
33. i disagree on that. AL is not about to elect a Democratic Senator
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 12:40 PM
Feb 2017

so this person will be a sacrificial lamb, it would almost be better if they were loud and progressive so that this would just serve as an opportunity to get our ideas out there.

i reserved the right to change my mind about this depending on DJT's unpopularity in 2018. if its high we run a blue dog who can maybe win (although, i still doubt it)

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
48. the state seems broken too
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 03:55 PM
Feb 2017

not just the dems

isn't the gov under indictment, and the person who would have prosecuted him now the Senator

it seems like much than the Dem party is broken in AL

IamFortunesFool

(348 posts)
71. Yes... The whole state is corrupt from decades of rednecks running amok
Fri Feb 10, 2017, 03:01 AM
Feb 2017

Luther Strange actually requested that the governor give him the seat...the governor he is sipposed to be investigating as the state AG...now the newly appointed AG (appointed, again, by the governor) will be responsible for the investigation of the man who just appointed him... That sounds like ripe ground for us to make some headway. Start pounding on them now! Anybody on here in Alabama?

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
41. It is worth trying as hard as we can to take any Senate Seat. Of course I'm saying that as lifelong
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 03:05 PM
Feb 2017

Californian. But we managed to neuter the Republican Party in this state by trying to take over solid Republican Seats in the state and federal legislatures. We've had better luck with the state seats but only slightly.

I think Howard Dean's 50 State plan is the way to go from here on out.

Jose Garcia

(2,598 posts)
49. It would likely require a combination of a scandal from Luther Strange and
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 04:08 PM
Feb 2017

Democrats nominating and outstanding candidate.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
53. Now, where did that idea of a 50 state strategy come from?
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 04:17 PM
Feb 2017

So what are the options? Save the money for campaigning in New York?

IMO, Alabama is a great place to start. EVERY state is a good place to start. Whoever the DNC chair will be should have a few cups of coffee with Howard Dean.

Freethinker65

(10,024 posts)
54. Yes. If the election is held in 2018 when all house members are up
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 04:24 PM
Feb 2017

Even if the Democratic candidate for governor does not win, he/she will bring people out to vote and the Democrats could pick up some house seats and win other down ticket races.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
60. It has been filled by the guy investigating the governor.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 04:30 PM
Feb 2017

Convenient, isn't it? Almost like the fix was in from the beginning.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
63. DSCC contact info
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 04:40 PM
Feb 2017

If it is the only election going, the DSCC might invest in Alabama.

Phone (202) 224-2447
info@dscc.org

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
67. The last Alabama Democratic US Senator I voted for and who won...
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 05:40 PM
Feb 2017

was Richard Shelby.

Couple days later - he switched parties and has been a Republican senator for near 30 years!

There are no statewide office-holding Democrats in Alabama today. Period.

The only Democrat we have in Washington DC is US Rep. Terri Sewell and the district she represents has been created by the Voting Rights Act and now gerrymandered to guarantee at least one single black representative from Alabama - and that is exactly what we have.

No - there is no senate seat we will be taking any time soon.

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