who imposed sanctions against russia after the election because they allegedly interfered. he and the trump admin are lying about it in an effort to cover it up, calling it "fake news," and it turns out that flynn had ties and conversations with russia DURING THE CAMPAIGN, which was reported but largely ignored, and rachel surmises that this might have been how trump was elected in the first place. it is hopefully going to be investigated properly by SOMEONE.

Why should I invest time watching a sports video?

What does Mike Pence know about sports and what does that have to do with resisting and persisting?

without at least a brief explanation of what it is, I just Trash the Thread and move on.

But what is with this site and the people always demanding to have links to videos and articles spelled out for them?

I've never seen anything like it on any other website or forum ever.

You rarely see anyone asking for an explanation of a video; blind links - yes; unfinished exclamations about what folk are watching, right now on TV - yes. So if you're doing a Spicer, show me examples.

We are not without frequent malignant trolls so yes, some posts and their links/videos could be viewed with suspicion, especially if they are posted by a very new member.

DU is a community and like every other group of people who come together for a shared purpose, its up to the newcomer to instill confidence that they are prepared to accept community standards, not the other way around.

However, I will say I'm always seeing people pretty rudely or impatiently calling out a poster if they post a link to a NYT or WAPO article or what have you, along with a brief one line description, that doesn't include a written detailed summary, if not a full copy and paste of most or all of the article.

It's just so strange to me, as obviously clicking a link is as easy as breathing, and frankly no one should believe anything that's written without going to the source anyway.

That being said, indeed this is a community unlike most others, and obviously this is the way the members want it, so it's not my place to question it I suppose.

That posts should give a passing nod to having some substance. DU abides strictly by fair use copyright laws which allow a user to paste four paragraphs of content. That's enough to make a decision to follow the link to the full article. Have you ever been Rickrolled?

Breathing is an involuntary action; clicking a link is not. We are sick of clickbait.

Many times, if you don't have a subscription to the New York Times or Washington Post, you're not allowed to view the article at the link.

The more information supplied, the better.

would be welcome, since many videos lack captioning, and those with captioning often have captioning that is gibberish.

So a little bit of context can go a long way.

Internet connections. Some people are at work, or have limited time to click and watch everything, and have to budget what they're doing.

Some people have limitations on their ability to see and / or hear.

It's not unrealistic for a poster to give a concise review of what can be expected if a link is clicked on.

If people didn't request this information, we'd still be at GO TURN ON KEITH RIGHT F****N' NOW!!!

the main point. We are not demandfing or expecting a comprehensive summary--just a couple of sentences.

does the same. So I am wondering who will convict the guy. Trump has done so many illegal things with no legal repercussions. Oh I just read down thread that he is a spy. That is different.

when there is some extra info. Blind links with no fair use content pasted is really annoying to me and a whole lot of others here. I do not click on them.

If a poster can't be bothered to give a brief explanation, I don't waste my date allowance watching it.

to write your post above you could of just gave a synopsis.

If a video is worth watching, then the poster of the video can find the time to sell their video.

They can take a few seconds to summarize what the basic thrust of the video is and why it might be important.

Like many DU members, I don't have time to watch every video thrust in front of me. I will take the time (a few seconds) to read a summary and open myself to being convinced to invest the time to watch a video.

It seems obvious to many of us that it is a community-minded approach to spend a minute writing to save members (multiplied out by readers) many minutes.

Alternatively, surely it is obviously good for the one poster to spend a minute writing a summary to convince hundreds (thousands?) of DU viewers, if the community really would benefit from watching the video?

if i am at work, i can barely peek at this site. we aren't able to stream video. so if i want to know what is going on in a thread, it is helpful to have a brief paragraph explaining so that I can bookmark or perhaps try to view it through my phone (which sometimes gets blocked where i work too).

thing then! It has always been customary, and common courtesy, to post a short explanation of a video you post.

They have phone records and transcripts concerning the Russian sanctions. This was soundly denied at first by several current WH officials. Now Flynn says he doesn't remember. The upshot is that either Flynn lied, or they all lied concerning the punishment for Russia for interfering in the election.

I am not sure why the OP or anyone else responding to your post was unable to summarize this.

That is just too incredible!

Maddow's show pivoted around the Christopher Steele "dossier" on Trump. The new revelations that have been reported by the WP and the NYT confirm some of the information in the Steele dossier: that Russia's had ongoing communications with the Trump campaign during the election and before inauguration-- and possibly up to the present.

The WP and NYT are saying that Flynn was the Russians' contact person/asset. The 5 phone call day in which Flynn and the Russian Ambassador to the US conversed. Flynn denied talking policy or politics during that time-- in which Obama was placing recent sanctions on Russia. But the new revelations indicate that 9 present and senior government officials are corroborating that Flynn did, indeed talk with the Ambassador about those very sanctions, and that Russia is not to take them seriously because the incoming Trump Administration would lift them. Flynn then had to walk back his lie, after reportedly telling Pence and Trump that he never had a policy related conversation with the Ambassador. Flynn reportedly assured Russia that they didn't have to respond to Obama's sanctions, thus telling Russia that the sanctions were worthless.

But the Steele dossier said additional things that are of great concern, one of them was that Russia had been "cultivating" Trump as an asset for at least the past five years, and quite possibly longer. If true, then TRUMP is also a Russian asset!

Then there's the additional information not referred to by Maddow tonight: Paul Manifort AND Carter Page were both part of Trump's Campaign team up until September or October. Both have strong ties to the Russian Oligarchs AND Putin. So when you ask about spies, the more likely spies are Manifort and Page. Flynn was acting more like an asset than a spy. If a spy, he would have been more secretive about communicating with the Russian government. Frankly, I'm not able to understand how Flynn DIDN'T know that his phone conversations were being monitored by US intelligence. OF COURSE the Russian Ambassador's phone was bugged!

Have a heart!

So far, I agree 100% with Rachel.

Time to DEMAND that the Senate and House members do their job to NULLIFY this election

Rec

Like the one where Nixon and Agnew both had to step down in disgrace.

I'm feel that way myself. After all of the bullshit the Republicans did with things that didn't merit it. They are now going to stand around whistling and pretending nothing happened.

This is FAR too big and too many people in high places are clearly on a mission to leak this stuff.

Flynn may end being scapegoated, and the bigger story of collusion between the trump campaign buried, but Flynn is now toast, I guarantee it.

the intelligence community is leaking this in huge piles because they are concerned about it. It's been on the news much of today.

the incredibly damning information on Trump of late. It's information that they were all told, and it's a state secret. John Lewis and Nancy Pelosi were two Dems who had been asking for a release.

Maybe THIS information was the nugget of information that they were talking about. These may have been the blockbuster of revelations that makes the Russia/Trump relationship a bi-partisan issue.

Maddow had Adam Schiff, a Dem Rep, on the air, talking about today's news. Schiff is on the intelligence committee in the House. It won't get buried.

So far, the revelations are stunning.

Flynn will have to be fired. Pence and Bannon must be investigated because Congress is going to have to know who knew of Flynn's phone calls and when did they know about them. These questions will HAVE to be asked in a formal investigative setting. The Republicans won't have a choice.

....and not under oath. dontcha love precedent?

obviously part of the mix.

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fall in this scandal, more honest conservatives will not be able to avoid knowing it, and even many who pay little attention to politics.

And who knows--Comey is dirty as hell. We know that over the spring and summer Comey was watching the Russians spy on and steal from the Democratic Party during national elections, undoubtedly very aware of much of the Trump camp's communications and interactions with the Kremlin--all the while failing to notify the party and thus providing aid to a hostile foreign government. We also know that Comey personally interfered twice with the election in a way that aided the Russian efforts, something that raises the question of treason all by itself. There's sure to be more that we don't know. So Comey might just get caught up in this conflagration also. And wouldn't that be lovely?

Almost definitely, but they may figure out how Flynn can take the fall. Really, we knew it all along, but the solid proof wasn't there. LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP!

Start impeachment investigation, now b4 he distracts with a world War. He will, especially if HE has nothing to lose. Fuck the country and world.
I wonder if Ryan and Turtleman knew. I think so, but I bet can't be proven.

A dream to get rid of all of them, but they hold the structural power here...also, the emails....
The pressure on Jason Chavetz i his town hall (loved it) may push him to look into it, since he didn't get to be the hero demolishing Hillary.

we had something more radical in mind...

That the moon is between the Earth and the sun. That's it.

The eclipse means that the laws of gravity and motion can correctly predict eclipses of the moon.

He thought finding emails that were probably duplicates on Anthony Weiner's laptop was important enough to announce but this shit is going on and Comey's lips are sealed ? We will probably never see the U.S. government formally confirm these anonymous sources. They got away with it.

No way is the full truth ever going to be revealed-it's too convoluted and the stakes are too high.

Enough info like the pentagon papers and it will all fall down.

Given what we know about Flynn's collaboration with the Russians, Comey's pattern of decisions is synchronous with Flynn's in that he knew about the Russian interventions, hid them from the public, but disclosed politically damning and false information about Clinton simultaneously. He did this with precision and design, and did so in a way that's entirely consistent with Russia's role.

IMO, Comey HAD to hide the Russia investigation BECAUSE he'd be implicated as a Russian asset. (IMO) the CIA knows this, but they've had to be careful not to blow the story because their information may not have been obtained through legal domestic channels. So the revelations had to creep into the public awareness through less conventional means. And it looks as if that's what happened tonight.

simultaneously suppressed real wrongdoing about Flynn. Think about the assholes in the New York FBI office. They were beside themselves about the Weiner laptop though those emails turned out to be duplicates but had no interest in the Flynn/Trump treasonous behavior.

dropped out of sight and later denied he knew anything. No more bragging.

... the whole deck of cards will come tumbling down.

Gave me the shivers just to drive by.

So they could fill it with very, very bad people. Flynn belongs there.

here by Pacifist Patriot who said they had a friend who worked for the FBI.

"Annie girl, this is going to make Watergate look like pocketing a candy bar at 7-Eleven."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028517973

slowly but at least it's moving.

I appreciate Rachel telling the way this has unwinded.. Damn them for stealing our election.

My emotions have been yanked around so much I'm going to go insane if I keep getting hopeful every time it starts "looking like" a dam is about to burst.

I firmly believe Obama left a contingency in place to expose this collusion. In fact, I have the feeling the sanctions/intercepted phone calls were not happenstance but a construct put in place to help expose them. Remember what a brilliant man we are talking about. He knew those sanctions would be discussed and Flynn took the bait. And these leakers are not going to stop. The story will come out...

Just like Nixon trying to interfere with the Vietnamese peace talks during the election or Reagan interfering in the Iranian hostage crisis. It'll all come out. But 20 years later ain't gonna help. (Sorry, usually I'm a glass half full kinda guy. Lately, however, I've become a glass is shattered on the floor dude.)

I don't care if the story comes out in 20 years when I'm nearly 50 years old. I don't want to spend the rest of my "youth" with rage at all of the injustice eating away at me.

Pollyanna to Pissed Off

I've wondered how President Obama could leave things so up in the air, especially knowing all the classified things that have been considered so damaging--stuff that hasn't been made available to the public.

Knowing the kind of strong moral compass that Obama has, gives me hope that a "contingency" was left in place.It definitely makes sense!

That is funny. I guess you forgot Flynn was in charge of the NSA -- which is the agency that intercepts phone calls. Flynn would have know everything he said was being recorded because he used to be in charge of the agency which does this stuff. No, this was not "happenstance", it is deliberately done by the U.S. and has been for decades. Obama had nothing to do with it.

I admit, I find Rachel hard to watch. Glued to this video from start to finish. This is going places.

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...Rachel gives context. Most of this was so obvious... maybe Flynn will squeal. We need a John Dean, but Flynn's an Obama/Hillary hater. Which rat will step up and squeal?

I know that he's got no love for Trumpy and sees him as the antithesis of what we need in a leader of the nation.

...Thank you, Eyeball_Kid - I will correct that!

He'll concentrate on curtailing voting rights, not on treason committed by his peers.

I don't know how it could be anything else. What would be the worst thing that someone, anyone, could do to damage their nation? Collusion with a foreign government to affect a national election would have to rank right up there. And this was not just anyone doing the colluding...it was likely the candidate for President himself. At the very least, we currently have one of his highest level advisers being implicated. I agree with Rachel...this can't be anything but big.

Things may be starting to make a little more sense now.

to end the war. We all knew what he was doing; he won the election anyway. Twice.

Nixon then played out the war for four more years, so he could run as the Wartime President at the Helm in '72. "Don't switch Dicks in the middle of a screw. Vote for Nixon in '72."

But . . . Jane Fonda's the one all the patriotic Reel 'Murican's hate to this day.

Reagan colluded with the Iranians to keep the American Embassy hostages imprisoned in Tehran until Reagan won the election. I remember the split-screen images of Reagan's swearing-in, along with the American hostages being released in Iran. It seemed a little more than coincidental at the time.

George HW Bush used the War on Drugs to commit a reign of terror, murder, sabotage, and atrocity against Central America.

George W. Bush collaborated with Saudi Arabia to hide evidence implicating Saudi Arabian ties to 9-11, so he could lie us into a war with Iran. This, from Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, Chief of Staff to Colin Powell.

Donald Trump and his hell-spawn fascists collaborated with Putin's Russia to throw the 2016 election to Trump, and betray American interests to their own benefit. Trump has been installed as the 45th President of the United States of America.

It's up to us to change the future of our history.

Paul Manafort, Rex Tillerson, Michael Flynn, Donald Trump all have favorable ties to Putin. Am I missing anyone else?

Posted by someone calling themselves Henry Wise.

"For months and months, the Trump Team kept demanding "proof" that the Russians had tried to influence the Election and had hacked into the DNC.

Finally, Trump was given the ultimate Top Secret Briefing, and the "proof" that they had been demanding was presented to them.
Flynn was right by Trump's side during this meeting.

Soon after the meeting, the Russians arrested dozens of people that they said had engaged in espionage against Russia.
One of the people arrested was Sergei Mikhailov, a very high ranking Russian official. Russian agents dragged him out of a very public meeting of senior intelligence officers, in Moscow.

Russian Intelligence has a reputation for being ruthlessly efficient.
They are even more efficient, when they have assistance."


It doesn't sound like he's overreaching with his comments.

This shit.... wow.

This is chilling!

Admitting to crimes he was personally connected to, maybe??

You know what "made America great" during the middle part of the last century? Defeating fascism, instituting a stable global order, and building up the infrastructure/public welfare systems of our nation.

If that's what we need to do again, well, OK...first step, GET RID OF THESE TRAITOROUS RACIST FUCKERS!!!

No wonder Obama is having such a great time on vacation.

Methinks he knows a lot about this and is patiently waiting for the dam to blow.

I have had similar thoughts but without any real solid indication of it, I will have to wait until I see it really happening.

... were hacked and that's where they set the damn voting machines !!!

in slow motion.

THIS IS NOT RIGHT, AND IT WILL NOT STAND!

and, we need to SHAME the idiots who voted/didn't-vote this into existence. SHAME THEM!

Colluded with foreign power to affect American election
Covered it up
Still covering it up
Since they are now denying
Fake newsing it
We haven't seen the report

Well
Buzzfeed
Started it all
That report is what has been corroborated by CNN, Washpost.
It's why DT pushed CNN as not a news network

Don't know whether this will ultimately lead to a President Pence - or a President Ryan - but the Trump Administration is going to be very short lived. This is obviously indefensible - AND THE GOP WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GOVERN WITH THIS REGIME!!!

They will have no choice but to cut the treasonous Trump loose - or have him take their whole party down with him- casting themselves as traitors as well!!!

The press needs to stay on the story - and blast it from the rooftops - along with a tremendous public outcry!!

Give a clue why I should watch it.
Otherwise, no.

Maybe you have by now?

couldn't
care
less

Thanks for this post. Stay strong, everyone.

Peace.

Please hit the fan soon!!

I am not sure why this is such a bombshell.

All BULLSHIT!!! Trump is a fraud and a fucking TRAITOR!!!

What a crime that he was allowed to take office!

was only statistically likely to occur once in about 50000 yrs.

I wouldn't have seen it otherwise. You've given me some hope today!

People have gotten really sick of all this crap coming out of the White House.

We have better things to do in life then having to constantly deal with the barrage of idiocy coming out of Trump's mouth. I pray that this nightmare is over soon!

And no consequences at all dished out, I'd be as rich as Trump.

I've stopped believing in the courts or law enforcement when it comes to Washington criminal activity by Republicans. I can't even rely on Democrats not to just slink back and say its time to "move on". Even if (i hope its when) Democrats win the Presidentcy and House after Trump, I wouldn't be surprised if the incoming President also cowers back and won't prosecute any of the, by then, hundreds of crimes Trump would have committed by then. Call me a pessimist, but I don't see any historical reason to think any different.