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My thoughts.... Flynn did not lie to Pence. (Original Post) boston bean Feb 2017 OP
There are two ways to look at this... Zoonart Feb 2017 #1
That's the way I look at it. eom. Raine1967 Feb 2017 #8
This is what Rachel said--either way, Pence is (or should) be in trouble. panader0 Feb 2017 #15
Right:"or should be"... in a world where repukes don't get to weasel out of every violation. JudyM Feb 2017 #20
Hell yes! get the red out Feb 2017 #2
He's praying to Bejesus flamingdem Feb 2017 #4
2nd that! triron Feb 2017 #6
Trump is too Botany Feb 2017 #16
Definitely! get the red out Feb 2017 #25
Something says Wellstone ruled Feb 2017 #3
I heard Malcolm Vance say this morning conversations between the US and countries such as Russia are Thinkingabout Feb 2017 #5
Except in the first phone call between Putin and Trump, the WH disabled the recording appartus.. HipChick Feb 2017 #19
The communications between the trump campaign Grammy23 Feb 2017 #22
Perhaps 2naSalit Feb 2017 #23
Can't argue against that line of thinking.... Grammy23 Feb 2017 #24
I really hope that is what's going on 2naSalit Feb 2017 #28
I think Pence is every bit as involved. Solly Mack Feb 2017 #7
Hmmm. This could get interesting if Pence an Flynn have to resign for "personal issues". madinmaryland Feb 2017 #11
Some one's lying, that's for sure. dem4decades Feb 2017 #9
I think Pence HAD to know what was going on. blm Feb 2017 #10
If not get the red out Feb 2017 #26
Bet Putin has nothing on a moral exemplar like Pence. 6000eliot Feb 2017 #12
I doubt Pence knew, although he should have suspected Motley13 Feb 2017 #13
i think he did lie but that Pence knew he was lying JI7 Feb 2017 #14
The thing that's just so aggravating about this entire con job... SticksnStones Feb 2017 #17
JMHO, I think the NSA/CIA/FBI have something on Pence/Trump AND KittyWampus Feb 2017 #18
There seems to be no fear of lying in this administration. unitedwethrive Feb 2017 #21
With the FBI in bed with Trump ( Comey) fun n serious Feb 2017 #27
SB has to be one of the first to go down! 2naSalit Feb 2017 #29

Zoonart

(11,878 posts)
1. There are two ways to look at this...
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 05:28 PM
Feb 2017

and neither is good for Pence. Either he knew and he lied anyway and is in up to his tits, or he didn't know and allowed himself to be duped which makes him stupid.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
3. Something says
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 05:32 PM
Feb 2017

this is just a cover story in order to formulate some plausible deniable piece crap to shut down the lazy press. Watch Fake Noise run something up the flag pole in the next few days.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
5. I heard Malcolm Vance say this morning conversations between the US and countries such as Russia are
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 05:37 PM
Feb 2017

Recorded, in Flynn's former position he knew this information. Probably is why Flynn suddenly can not remember.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
19. Except in the first phone call between Putin and Trump, the WH disabled the recording appartus..
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 06:09 PM
Feb 2017

So there was no readout
I wonder if it was 'still' listened to..

Grammy23

(5,812 posts)
22. The communications between the trump campaign
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 06:47 PM
Feb 2017

(Whether Flynn alone or others, too) and Russia has been known about for months. They were monitored well before Nov. 8th If the agencies knew and had the proof, wouldn't it make sense to continue the monitoring after tRump was in the White House?? I am going out on a limb here but am willing to bet they already have enough evidence of misconduct by trump and his campaign to indict all of them.

The main questions SHOULD BE why...if they know about the communications between trump's campaign and Russia, why was trump allowed to be inaugurated and move into the White House without investigation? How far does this whole mess go? Who knew what and when? WHY was this not investigated as soon as they knew about the contacts with Russia??

2naSalit

(86,775 posts)
23. Perhaps
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 06:59 PM
Feb 2017

it's because they are now more relaxed in their secured positions of power and have lost their sense of secrecy that was well maintained before 1/20... and the case against them might be more powerful after they are in office. Some of the claims were mere speculation in many instances while waiting for them to gain office makes them all criminals. Maybe this will take down the whole party n the end by waiting until they were in office to make the charges stick.

They are in weenie-waving on steroids mode right now..

Grammy23

(5,812 posts)
24. Can't argue against that line of thinking....
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 07:40 PM
Feb 2017

Maybe hoping to get as many of them as possible and put them on trial. . But the damage being done by trump every day is breath taking. Our standing in the world is eroding the longer this presidency continues. There was a surge in deporting undocumented persons in the U.S. Today, breaking up families and causing terror to many. True some have criminal records, but some do not, contradicting what trump said he would do. I am sure there is much we have no idea what is being done.

I just hope we get a resolution soon. The suspense is killing me. Just want this nightmare to end.

2naSalit

(86,775 posts)
28. I really hope that is what's going on
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 08:58 PM
Feb 2017

From all the scary background stuff I have been privy to in the past, my half informed guess would be that is what -I would hope- is happening.

Solly Mack

(90,780 posts)
7. I think Pence is every bit as involved.
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 05:43 PM
Feb 2017

Pence lied because Pence knew.

Pence didn't just say I trust Flynn, he said he could vouch for it, that he could confirm it (that Flynn did no talk sanctions/Russia).

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
11. Hmmm. This could get interesting if Pence an Flynn have to resign for "personal issues".
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 05:51 PM
Feb 2017

Then what is tRump going to do. Pence goes down by felony charges and tRump melts down mentally. Scary times we live in. We could have the Senate choosing both the next POTUS and VPOTUS. Scary indeed.

dem4decades

(11,304 posts)
9. Some one's lying, that's for sure.
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 05:48 PM
Feb 2017

These CIA guys have to be flying under the radar, not reporting to Trump's toadies.

Motley13

(3,867 posts)
13. I doubt Pence knew, although he should have suspected
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 05:56 PM
Feb 2017

"I just wanted to call to say I love you" WTF

Just proves our next (very soon) president is stupid.

JI7

(89,264 posts)
14. i think he did lie but that Pence knew he was lying
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 05:59 PM
Feb 2017

Pence has been looking the other way with so much of the shit going on because he wants to be president if/when trump leaves.

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
17. The thing that's just so aggravating about this entire con job...
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 06:06 PM
Feb 2017

...is that every remedy available favors the republicans...

Impeach Trump? Pence is President.
Pence Resigns? Trump appoints someone no one voted for, with a resounding ok from congress.
Pence and Trump thrown out over a corrupted election? Paul Ryan becomes president.


There is no punishment to their party for fixing an election.

It's maddening.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
18. JMHO, I think the NSA/CIA/FBI have something on Pence/Trump AND
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 06:09 PM
Feb 2017

on pretty much the whole rogues gallery.

They're going to lie and cover up and each step will provide more damning evidence in the end.

unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
21. There seems to be no fear of lying in this administration.
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 06:30 PM
Feb 2017

And why should they be afraid? Even when caught, no one ever does anything about it.

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