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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWho remembers Watergate contemporaneously?
I do.
This is feeling like that.
Except faster.
Except deeper.
Deep Throat will be someone who has/had a hall pass at Langley.
Who will be Woodward and who will be Bernstein.
crazylikafox
(2,761 posts)nikibatts
(2,198 posts)sit back and watch the hearings every day.
BumRushDaShow
(129,388 posts)during that time.
(I could never keep all the players straight at the time)
Historic NY
(37,452 posts)Ah, those hot July days
Kingofalldems
(38,469 posts)The guy at the NY Times is Woodstein.
This is way bigger than Watergate. An election was stolen.
renegade000
(2,301 posts)CanonRay
(14,112 posts)that this was moving at the speed of light compared to Watergate
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Best_man23
(4,907 posts)I still don't think Repubs have any clue as to the damage this can (and is) doing to their brand.
JudyM
(29,270 posts)politicat
(9,808 posts)There are the 27% Tru Believers who will march through Hell before they distance themselves, but they're really a minority. (We have our percentage, too.)
It's that middle third that interests me, specifically the half of the middle third who are weakly right-wing aligned, and the very large middle that just ignores politics. From that weak-aligned, I'm seeing a lot more denial (Oh, he didn't say that) and misdirection (can't we talk about something else?) and projection (everyone does it, why is it so bad?). Those are all defense mechanisms, so if the defenses are getting triggered, that means the message is getting through, and they're doubting.
26 days. That's how fast this has moved. And the momentum is not failing, but building. Think how long it takes people to leave bad jobs or marriages. How hard it is to maintain a diet or exercise routine. Breaking a tribal identification (even if it's a weak alignment) is primarily emotional, and that takes time, which is happening. And we're moving much faster than expected.
Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)very well. We need another Sam Ervin.
JohnnyLib2
(11,212 posts)But that dealt with much more skilled pols and operatives. The current bunch look more like "dumbest criminals" shows.
frogmarch
(12,158 posts)I suppose one reason this is faster is that now we have the Internet.
I've been thinking about Watergate all day!
elleng
(131,077 posts)mopinko
(70,201 posts)sorry. couldnt help it.
One of my employees says that all the time LOL
We like setting him up to say that (thankfully I work at a laid back place )
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)My English ex-wife used to say it all the time.
theglammistress
(348 posts)My mom just messaged me and said this:
"Trump will go down exactly like Nixon, only faster."
She is not one to speak in hysterics. She's pretty calm and sober. I believe her.
blogslut
(38,010 posts)It was the tapes that ended Nixon.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)May Providence provide the right man for the right time...
(or woman, of course)
ncgrits
(916 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The CIA and NSA was likely listening on many conversations of campaign operatives that left the country.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)WheelWalker
(8,956 posts)In college from 1967-74. Watergate was a drill compared to this.
GP6971
(31,203 posts)and in the military while all this was going on. The military never talked about it, but my wife and I were glued to the TV every chance we got.
I think this is going to be much bigger and much more damaging.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)GP6971
(31,203 posts)Haven't been there for about 15 years.
I always regret that I got out to SF too late...by the time I got to Haight Ashbury it was nothing but burned out hippies. Wish I could have visited during the late 60s
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I remember it through my parents reaction, mostly. They voted for Nixon, but thought he should be impeached.
get the red out
(13,468 posts)My Mom would take me to my Grandparent's house after school every day to watch the hearings (they were STRONG Dems). My Papaw kept telling me to watch it because it was history and I would study it in school. He also said Nixon was a crook and he always knew it!
I have the same exact feeling I picked up from them way back then. I remember my Dad saying Ford was an honorable R (not something he said about many Rs) but wouldn't get a second term after pardoning Nixon. My family did a good job at explaining things to me.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)is of my Dad telling me, "Remember this. This is history." I did.
Nevermypresident
(781 posts)Intelligence community officials i.e. Clapper, Brennen etc.?
Stinky The Clown
(67,818 posts)There is the type who speak with promises of non attribution, but on their own behalf.
There is the type who leaks anonymously.
They will be, at a minimum, upper mid level.
meadowlander
(4,402 posts)calimary
(81,441 posts)I would suspect there are big and little Deep Throats all over the place now. They're leaking because they want to make sure this stuff gets out into the public arena.
This sure makes me think of Watergate, only piled higher and deeper. I was in college while that was spinning out of control. GLUED to the TV. That was when I was really starting to waking up.
It was a week ago (the 8th) when I felt compelled to make a note. The chair of the Congressional Black Caucus, Cedric Richmond of Louisiana, uttered the first mention of "high crimes and misdemeanors" on camera (at least that I had heard). He said it TWICE. He was on Chris Hayes's show on MSNBC. I felt it was significant enough to make a note of it because it seemed like something worth remembering, and referencing. Maybe the start of a timeline?
Or, as Brian Williams said last night (the 13th) on his show, "the meter is now running."
I made a lot of notes last night about the next moment of significance: when the talking heads started quoting an epic quote - indeed, one of the signature quotes from the Watergate era - "what did the president know, and when did he know it?" Criminy, seems like that one was on EVERYBODY'S lips last night, once news brook about Mike Flynn's departure and people really started digging down into it.
Makes me wonder how soon we'll hear "there is a cancer on the presidency," which he testified was growing bigger and "more deadly every day." Who will be the first to utter it? And under what circumstances?
Shit - it's one big fat deja vu all over again. My kids now get to witness this one play out at approximately the same age that I was back then. It's just that this is developing a WHOLE LOT faster than Watergate did. It came to full flower halfway through Nixon's second term. That's roughly six years. Shit - THIS asshole has only been in office for three-and-a-half WEEKS!
MANative
(4,112 posts)My grandfather was an acquaintance of JFK and was the mayor of our small city in MA, (my dad's best friend succeeded him) and an uncle was a state senator, so I had been surrounded by politics all my life. I remember watching the news raptly, reading newspapers, and LOTS of dinner-table discussions. This feels MUCH bigger, MUCH faster, and MUCH more dangerous.
procon
(15,805 posts)multiple sources, and tying together a much broader scope of treasonous activities coming from many co-conspirators. There's so many news organizations working on related stories, there may not be a single Woodward personage who stands out, although whoever tags Trump's direct involvement will certainly gain well deserved fame and fortune.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,829 posts)and watched the hearings with intense fascination. I keep thinking about how similar this is in some ways to Watergate, in the sense that there is clearly a coverup going on; we're just not sure yet exactly what is being covered up. Watergate, however, took two years to unravel. Things didn't really start going south for Nixon until October of 1973, after the Saturday Night Massacre. When the existence of the secret tapes was disclosed it was pretty clear that Nixon was in trouble, but it took until August of 1974 for him to resign, after the Supreme Court ordered him to release the tapes. I watched his resignation speech on TV with great glee. This is one of my favorite photos of all time:
But this - OMG, this is crazy. Bill Maher said three weeks of Trump is like five years of Nixon. This is Watergate on meth. It's going very, very fast and it gets weirder every day. Watergate dribbled out over many months, and it took a lot of sleuthing for Woodward and Bernstein to get their story. But SCROTUS' White House is leaking like a soaker hose, and the trick now will be to connect the dots even as more dots keep appearing. The GOPers are pretending it's no big deal (and they did the same thing at first in 1972), but eventually they'll decide SCROTUS is too much of a liability. They've been hoping they could at least use him to get their agenda passed, but the WH is such a goatfuck right now that none of that is happening - maybe they'll conclude they'd be better off with Pence (assuming Pence doesn't go down with Trump).
Fasten your seatbelts - it's gonna be a bumpy night.
calimary
(81,441 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Now???? I am not sure it will be the same. We need to get back the house and senate asap!
Kingofalldems
(38,469 posts)marked50
(1,368 posts)The Watergate era had the Democrats in a position of forcing investigations. This time they do not have that leverage. We can not use the playbook of Watergate to lead us out of this morass.
You also have to add a complacency with the Republicans of Congress in this the election process and of knowledge of the treasonous nature of it all. Not only will they want to protect their stooge but they have to protect themselves.
eleny
(46,166 posts)It's bizarre given Trump's public persona. Nixon was dark and withdrawn. Trump makes this a nightmare calliope, an out of control merry go round.
jeffreyi
(1,943 posts)I had an intense agriculture related job, and no tv, so didn't see any hearings. But it seems that the elected ones had much more integrity then. Except for Nixon and his minions.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)I'll celebrate when the daughterfucker's in handcuffs, but I won't hold my breath waiting for that day to come.
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)Rock-solid Reps did not have it on tv or talk about it. Most of my friends were the same. I'm very sorry I missed a lot of it. The only people in my environment were the teachers. Some played the Watergate hearings.
Gothmog
(145,496 posts)Atman
(31,464 posts)Actually got me into politics. Yes, this is feeling similar, with an advancement in technology.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)I will never forget Butterfield telling the room that there were tapes of the allegations by Dean.
Everyone in the country stopped, looked at each other and said, "holy shit going to hit the fan now".
I had organized the last pubic demonstration against Nixon in April. He was gone in August. Two years later I would be studying in Princeton and walked past this statue. You could actually read the newspaper. I went closer and looked at the front page
the front page is New York Times August 8th
NIXON RESIGNS.
CincyDem
(6,385 posts)Everything about this feels like Watergate...except the pace.
The continued use of the phrase "What did the president know and when did he know it" is just a chilling reminder of what 72-74 felts like.
dflprincess
(28,082 posts)when we thought Nixon was as bad as it could get.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)As soon as the press saw how dirty and mean and stupid Trump was, they all got the same thought. "I wanna be the journalist who brings him down!"
Plus, Trump took money from a few people who have the power to make his life miserable (like Russia and their blackmail info) but not enough power to protect him, If a handful of people in the FBI/CIA and NSA decide to do their duty and become Deep Throats, Russia can not stop them.
The writing was on the wall even before he was sworn in. The man is going down. And we need to make it our mission to take Pence down with him. Right now, Pence is trying desperately to save his own skin and political career,. He is gonna play "Saw nothing, did nothing."
Members of the press. Anyone who gets the goods on Pence gets extra bonus points!
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)What was happening. I know my parents hated Nixon and wanted to see him get screwed, they were shocked when he got away with resignation and a pardon. There are a lot of moving parts around Trump and Russia, this event can involve many people that have committed outright treason against the USA.
VOX
(22,976 posts)People brought portable TVs into the office and events were talked about incessantly. (I worked there as an undergrad at a large public university.) It was surreal, but there was optimism coming out of those hearings, and some real personalities emerged on the bipartisan investigating committee.
Trump's exploding mess seems a different animal. There's no sweeping bipartisan feeling to take out this continuous mistake. He's horrible, but he's been a regular Republican Santa Claus every morning, signing some major partisan legislation daily to keep "regular" conservatives on board.
Back in 1974, I had some hope that members of both parties would work things out together. We do not have that kind of environment in Washington today.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Was Father Drinan.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)to recommend Nixon be impeached.
That inquiry staff was headed by former U.S. Justice Department lawyer John Doar, and one of his hires was a 26-year-old Yale Law School graduate then known by her maiden name of Hillary Rodham.
Stinky The Clown
(67,818 posts)calimary
(81,441 posts)Makes perfect sense. One thing the CONS do really well is hold grudges. I remember during the impeachment persecution of Bill Clinton, every so often I'd hear someone hiss - "payback for Nixon!"
What's that saying about "an elephant never forgets"?
LeftInTX
(25,526 posts)From Watergate and us pulling out of Vietnam.
PufPuf23
(8,822 posts)Watergate was a positive bump into the light for the benefit of the many of a nation on descent into the dark side.
The current scandals and likely political demise of Trump will hasten the descent of the nation farther into the dark to benefit the few.
Greywing
(1,124 posts)I had spent my junior year and all of my senior year ranting about Tricky Dicky (how could anyone vote for him, he's a total crook, yada, yada) ... the same anger that's been simmering in me for the last 7 months or so.
This is happening much faster and harder. But then again, if we had had the access to today's technology back in the 70's I think Watergate might have happened sooner and much much faster.
I think there will be many "Deep Throats" - Malcolm Nance started predicting this 7 months ago. i think also there is really a fine crop of investigative reporters that have popped up during this election year, especially for the NYT and WaPo. Unfortunately for us, not a lot of people were reading them and were concentrating instead on the televised Hillary email hysteria and the Trump clown show.
Who will be the next John Dean? Who will be the next Howard Baker?
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Gives the Press one major piece of information, there will be a rush to the gates and major information will flood to the Press from multiple sources, each wanting to be the one that launches the fatal dagger into Trump's Presidency.
nolabear
(41,991 posts)You don't have to be there to lie, steal andcheat. And it is fast and deep. Incredible.
Ms. Toad
(34,086 posts)I got poo-poohed.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,086 posts)Hamlette
(15,412 posts)I thought the CIA would have them but here is what is confusing: we've been talking about Russia hacking the DNC for months but no phone recordings have leaked but these on Flynn leaked VERY fast. They started looking for something on December 20 ish and told Trump about them on January 26.
I think Russia worked with Trump to fix the election (or at least tilt it through leaking democratic emails) is a bigger crime than telling Russia to hold off on any reaction to the sanctions. Hell, its not like Flynn told them anything they could not have anticipated (ie Trump would change policy toward Russia).
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)I thought it was going fast and he would be gone "within a week". We thought it was so clear, the evidence overwhelming, the crimes treasonous. Still nothing.
Watch All the Presidents Men. no media was reporting it, only the WaPo.
It was so frustrating. We're in this for the long haul. Don't expect it anytime soon.
marlakay
(11,484 posts)They interrupted the show to say what was happening, I immediately left the room and told my husband this is just like Watergate.
Watergate happened when i was a teenager and my father was glued to the news for hours and hours only thing he would watch and in those days you had one tv no internet, so I knew all about it.
Greybnk48
(10,172 posts)All during Watergate I never once thought that our country may actually be done for. We had true statesmen in the Congress, people who put country before party.
This is scary shit, especially with a completely dysfunctional GOP like nothing we've ever seen before.
My question is, who will be James Baker? Who will be John Dean?
Laffy Kat
(16,386 posts)And I think this will end up dwarfing WG.
malchickiwick
(1,474 posts)It was my first introduction to politics and I've been hooked ever since.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)he was creepy on TV and in person. Trump will not last his term. Eventually the FBI, NSA, CIA, etc. will leak or reveal what they already know. There's simply too much recorded stuff out there to remain secret.
The dossier, details of communications, maybe mental health assessments, etc.; something will show up and sink him.
Nixon did much worse than Watergate, but the tapes caught him. Trump and friends are guilty of numerous crimes; but it only takes one bit of evidence to get him out.
Watergate was more of a soap opera with lots of testimony - it really was tedious. With 24 cable news and the internet, it's definitely a faster pace.
dchill
(38,521 posts)Swallowed with mass quantities of Red Bull.
tblue37
(65,483 posts)Lint Head
(15,064 posts)ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)I graduated high school in 1972. It was the first time Dad and I fought over politics, not the last time. GWB PROVIDED plenty of fodder for disagreement.
This is lightning speed compared to Watergate so far. Lets hope that continues.
Cadfael
(1,299 posts)It was my first serious introduction to politics. My parents watched the hearings religiously. We stopped eating supper at the kitchen table and moved to TV trays in the family room where the tv was. I remember John Dean, Haldeman and Erlichman, the unlikely acrobatic Rosemary Woods. My mom was an inveterate letter writer and when she was really pissed she sent telegrams. She sent one to Gerald Ford - "Add another name to the Watergate cover up list!" after the pardon.
I just hope the ending to this clown college is half as satisfactory because the danger this country is in because of them is many orders of magnitude greater.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)There's also shades of Iran contra on this, colluding with the enemy & lots of money.
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)my parents watching the hearings. Then I read All the President's Men when it came out in paperback.
DeminPennswoods
(15,290 posts)I was in college during Watergate. Not just me, but just about everyone else on campus was glued to the TVs. The hearings were broadcast live every day on all 3 broadcast networks. It was fascinating and must-see TV. The GOP is trying to brush this off as nothing, just like they did when they called Watergate a "third rate burglary". When Watergate was happening, my mother would tell me about how she watched the Army-McCarthy hearings.
This feels like Watergate, but much, much faster. I wonder who will be the new John Dean?
Vinca
(50,302 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)as he watched Nixon resign.
I don't know if he was a dem or a repub, but I have such a clear memory of him as a proud American, who was just so sad about what was happening in this country he loved so dearly.
He was born in Brooklyn in 1897 and lived 94 years. It fascinates me to remember that he was born when street lamps were gas burning, folks got around by horse and buggy and the Wright Brothers were still a few years away from Kitty Hawk. By the time of his death he owned a microwave, a Walkman and thought sneakers were just the best thing ever. He watched the birth and evolution of television and flew in airplanes regularly. The innovation that occurred in those hundred years took his breath away.
No wonder Nixon made him cry.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)LeftInTX
(25,526 posts)But I supported him resigning. It was an emotional experience.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)my mom to turn the TV off.
As a kid I knew whatever was going down was bad. TV was turned off because dad was angry.
Dad was a republican.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)Watergate took a lot longer to heat up than this.
Watergate did't really get heated up until a) Walter Cronkite reported on it and b) The Saturday Night Massacre.
Liberty Belle
(9,535 posts)I watched much of the Watergate hearings the summer of my senior year in high school.
In those days everyone saw it - we had just 3 networks, no Internet, so the nation was all on the same page with no "fake news." Fox news, Limbaugh were not around yet. We had a fairness doctrine.
Those were more innocent times. The public was shocked to learn that a president lied and covered up a breakin at Democratic headquarters.
Today, nobody is shocked anymore about lies, even though they tried impeaching Clinton for lying about sex a few years later. The sad thing is now most of us expect presidents to lie, but we still have an expectation that they will follow the law and the constitution.
Trump's actions are far worse than anything Nixon ever dreamed about.
Nobody ever accused Nixon of being a traitor under undue influence of a foreign dictator or seeking to dismantle public education.
Back then there was just one Deep Throat. Today many in the intelligence community clearly seem to want him gone.
Then as now, the Washington Post seems to be going after Trump. So is the New York Times, and CNN since he denigrated them as fake news and banned them from a press conference.
The problem is who is any better? After Nixon we got Gerald Ford, who was fairly benign other than pardoning Nixon. Pence is a religious right wing zealout and the entire line of succession seems equally foul.
It will take some Republicans in Congress deciding to be patriots instead of partisans to truly save our country -- and I fear many are either not willing to do so due to ideology or perhaps even blackmail by the Russians.
manicraven
(901 posts)and understand what was what and who was who. I was about 13 and curious about the events unfolding.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)I've been a great exhaustive historical analysis of Watergate - Watergate- the Hidden History. What most people don't know is the role of the mob.
There are a lot of similarities with Trump except he's tied to an international crime ring.
Intel sources (non US) are gonna have to release the videos in order to take him down.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)It broke when I was almost 14 and Nixon resigned when I was almost 16. I was absolutely furious at Ford for pardoning him. Watergate made me totally cynical about our system. I'm not that way now, but Trump-gate might get me back to that state.
Skittles
(153,185 posts)we really need a Deep Throat
I think we will get one
Trump is a treasonous fucking moron; who would not know that pissing off the spooks is a bad idea?
pfitz59
(10,389 posts)for a different reason.... what will bring Pence down?
DFW
(54,436 posts)There will be no Woodward or Bernstein. They will not let that happen again. Also, Nixon had no friend in Brezhnev, not to mention that the Soviet Union was scared shitless of us back then, and had no clue they could meddle in our internal politics to this degree and get away with it Scot-free. If you had told Yuri Andropov that in 1974, he would have stuck you in a cell in the Lubyanka until you were sober again.
As Democrats, we thought the Republicans had "learned their lesson" after the 2000 and 2004 elections, and thought the Republicans would never try to manipulate another presidential election. That was a very naïve presumption on our part, since we KNEW that Republicans have not had a persuasive reason to elect one of theirs as president since 1988. The ONLY way they were going to win the Oval Office with ANY of their candidates, starting with 1996, was with subterfuge, intrigue and downright cheating. For us to expect anything else was foolish, and we just reaped the grand prize for that foolishness.
Any Deep Throat this time will either have to become VERY public VERY quickly, or risk being part of the cement of some new runway at Dulles. This is not the mid 1970s, and Republican cabinet members and lower-level operatives have no intention of ending their careers in some country-club prison. They prefer real country clubs (Mar-a-Lago, for example).
There are no top newspaper editors willing to stick their necks out for "uncomfortable" reporters any more, either. There is no Ben Bradlee out there willing to take on a corrupt White House, even if the White House is five times as corrupt as it was under Nixon. Online Blogs are poorly financed and easily traced. They are so blatant this time because they can be. They will offer up a few sacrificial lambs (Flynn, e.g.), but make no mistake. They will not let themselves be dislodged without an ugly fight that will produce victims on both sides.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)I had returned from Vietnam. I was very anti-Nixon and was campaigning for George McGovern.
An older gentleman ran a little neighborhood store and it had people in it all the time.
I remember trying to explain to him before the '72 election what had happened at the Watergate Hotel and troops in Cambodia, etc. I tried to tell him that Nixon was a crook.
But, just like some folks today, he just laughed it off as nothing more than liberal foolishness. In this respect, I see similar parallels today.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)LeftInTX
(25,526 posts)We talked about Watergate in 1973 in my American history class. It was a big topic in class, before it was constant news.
As everything steamed up, I had trouble following everything. I tried watching the hearings, but just wasn't into the political process. I preferred to read about it in the paper and watch the summary on the evening news. Things didn't move very fast. My younger sister was really into politics and loved the political process and watched the all of the hearings on TV. My sister kept us all informed at the dinner table. She was very excited about the whole process.
In the summer of 1974, I was busy working, being with my BF and friends, taking college courses to watch the hearings. My dad was a republican and cynical about the whole thing. He thought the impeachment route was too much.
I was actually shocked when I found out Nixon was going to resign. The very end seemed to happen fast.
I voted for Ford in 1976. I was naive and not very political. I took a lot of things for granted in our govt and trusted it.
I saw Reagan when he campaigned in 1976. He really turned my off and scared me. We all thought he was fringe candidate and a joke. (If I had followed the Republican convention in 1976, I would have found out Reagan wasn't a joke)
I voted for Carter in 1980. After the election of 1980, I got interested in politics. Nixon was a crook, but he wasn't a RWNJ. Reagan was and he shocked me. I just couldn't believe we were going back in time.
When I was in high school, we talked about civil rights, the KKK, unions etc. I lived in Wisconsin and my high school was very progressive. We were naive about the progress that was made in the 60s and 70s. We thought it was permanent. I couldn't believe a Goldwater clone could re-emerge and take us back in time.
For me Reagan's election was much worse than Watergate.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)I never listened to any of it, mostly the whole family was apolitical and oblivious to it. That seems kind of cool now, not knowing how corrupt some of those bastards were at the time kinda makes the outlook on life a little better.
GumboYaYa
(5,949 posts)My grandma and I split days, Captain Kangaroo one day and Watergate Hearings the next. I vividly remember Nixon leaving the White House and my grandma being so relieved it was all over (and me too cause we watched Captain Kangaroo every day after that happened).
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)It screwed with my cartoons.
Nixon will never be forgiven.
treestar
(82,383 posts)The hearings on TV all day. Haldeman, Erlichman, Mitchell and Dean. Sam Ervin.
BumRushDaShow
(129,388 posts)was 11/12 at the time of the hearings and eventual resignation speech (a couple weeks after my dad died), but also got bogged down in figuring out who all those folks testifying were. For someone that age, it was pretty boring and draconian.
Agree with some other posters that there are probably all kinds of "Deep Throats" out there in all of the agencies - FBI, CIA, NSA (most notably).
The "theft" (of paper files during Watergate and emails this go-around) appears similar. But what is going on now is not just "deeper" or "faster", but is more insidious due to the foreign incursion issue. Question might be whether there are moles and/or double-agents afoot too.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Mendocino
(7,504 posts)Watergate was the massive viral post of the day, except it lasted.
democrank
(11,100 posts)but Trumpgate seems worse.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)That I love how this place has so many people with long backgrounds of political involvement and actual memories of these kind of events. I've followed politics since I was a young teen, but it's so informative to hear from people who actually experienced things I've only read about.
Thanks guys, you're awesome.
itcfish
(1,828 posts)Journalists like Bernstien & Woodward anymore.
JustAnotherGen
(31,871 posts)He makes Nixon look like a little kid who got an extra gum ball out of the gum ball machine - and hid it.
edbermac
(15,943 posts)And they had a documentary on tv a few days ago about it. Played out over a few years. This shit is changing by the minute. Diff is the media suck up to Trump
ananda
(28,875 posts)But it feels totally different because the evidence is already
so clear and out in the open, egregious really, and the Reeps
are simply saying no we won't deal with it.
The Dems have no backbone like they did back in the day ...
Alpeduez21
(1,755 posts)I hate all the nostalgia surrounding this. Yes, I remember Watergate. I listened to the hearings on a transistor radio as an 8 year old at Mt Airy pool in Columbus OH. People of integrity and patriotism were shocked by the behavior exhibited by the Republican administration. News broadcasters reported what was revealed without a gleeful excited tone in their voice and demeanor. Deep throat was the number 2 guy in the FBI.
None of that seems similar now. The feeling of patriotism is replaced by total partisanship. Goddamn Ryan and McConnell don't even want investigations. Chaffetz is debating how many angels can fit on the head of a pin. There are representatives defending this Republican administrations behavior as merely 'growing pains' of a new administration. Potential political fallout seems a distant reality in the eyes of these people.
You know what else I remember? I remember Ford pardoned EVERYONE! I remember Reagan got elected as a new republican president four short years after another republican administration perpetrated the greatest political scandal in United States history. I remember Reagan wiped his ass with the constitution and traded arms for hostages with Iran and funded the Sandinista in direct violation of Congressional orders. While simultaneously committing the bank savings and loan scandal. I remember he got away with that, no need for pardons from his republican successor. I remember President Clinton getting impeached because an investigation into a real estate deal that lasted four years at a cost of $40 million found he got a blow job 3 years after the investigation began. Nobody cared about the hypocrisy that sprayed over the face of America. Then Bush Gore happened. The president's brother stole the presidential election. No mention of that in the news. No trials for the Republican administration that violated international law by invading a sovereign nation on what were then and now known to be bogus reasons for an attack. That republican administration got rewarded with a second term. That republican administration tanked the world economy in the process. Two years after that republicans got control of the house and senate. All governing stopped, for six years. For completely ignoring the will of a majority of Americans Republicans get control of the White House, Congress, and probably the judicial branch.
Instead of seeking out news or reading about the scandal. It is being shoved in my face 24/7 by people whose only concern is staying in my face to spout their opinions. Fox news isn't even covering the debacle that is this Republican administration. Hell, the FBI helped the Republicans get elected!! It's no wonder they think there will be no political fallout.
How is such a despicable party allowed to stay in Power? They lie, cheat, and steal elections. But most importantly, everyone tows the party line. Ryan, Cruz, McConnell, etc all got in line behind Trump. Their newspapers, radio shows, and tv stations all tow the party line. Down ticket governors, state senators and legislators, city councilmen, and the like all tow the party line. Why do they tow the party line? They think and act like this is a war. People back a winner and to the American public the Republican party is a winner.
You want more than a two or four year respite from republican destruction then get your ass out there and resist!!! March in line, hold a sign, show up at representative meetings, go to their open meetings, demand public appearances by your representatives. Run a voter registration campaign, drive people to register, drive people to vote, knock on doors and talk to people about progressive agendas, call republican doofuses and demand they back progressive agendas. Yes, call. Don't tweet or email. Run against any republican out there and/or vote for someone who does. Get into Republican primary races so they have to spend money, time, and effort on those rather than just running against a democrat. SAY THANK YOU TO A DEMOCRAT WHO HOLDS OFFICE.
We are at war, ladies and gentlemen. I firmly believe you can never be too progressive. I also believe the only good republican is a retired one. The debates about which direction the Democratic party should go is akin to arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. It won't matter a whit if we don't take and hold offices everywhere. Everyone is welcome under the democratic umbrella, we are not a party of exclusion. Neither are we a party that wins by promoting fear and hatred. Get your ass out there and defeat a republican. Tell everyone why republicans need to be defeated and never ever stop fighting.
So, yeah, I remember Watergate. More importantly, I remember what happened next.
itcfish
(1,828 posts)Controlled Congress
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)I think Bernstein will be Bernstein; he is still active.
TNLib
(1,819 posts)I think there will not be a Bernstein and Woodward (except for maybe Bernstein who seems to be working on the story at CNN).
But the press as a whole plus the Intelligence Community, bloggers, twitters ect.. and we the people, will be the Woodward's and Bernstein's. I think that is why this is happening so fast. Most people know something is terribly wrong and most are working in some way to stop the madness.