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JudyM

(29,270 posts)
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 05:21 PM Feb 2017

Obama shrewdly set this all up by sanctioning Russia.

Pondering the images of him appearing so lighthearted and relaxed in his last days and after leaving office... Aware of the likely devastation of our liberties and system of government that was about to ensue, how could he not be filled with deep dread and concern like the rest of us?

Maybe because he had a "trump card" -- he knew that tRump would be forced to "fix" the sanctions, and that he or his team would be taped or otherwise caught conferring with Putin's people in making this happen. Obama knew far more than us about what was happening, and he may have laid a clever trap.

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Obama shrewdly set this all up by sanctioning Russia. (Original Post) JudyM Feb 2017 OP
I think he knew the presidency was going to devour Cheeto, the GOP would be unable to govern BeyondGeography Feb 2017 #1
I think President Obama has too much integrity DK504 Feb 2017 #26
I wondered if something was up with the sanctions. Eyeball_Kid Feb 2017 #2
Interesting observations Lotusflower70 Feb 2017 #3
Tiddly winks is as complex as Trump gets Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2017 #4
Bill Maher said it ages ago malaise Feb 2017 #5
Thanks for everyone's comments- MBS Feb 2017 #6
Bait...they took it hook, line, and sinker. Cognitive_Resonance Feb 2017 #7
He knew they would try to undo them LeftInTX Feb 2017 #8
He knew they would be discussing it with Russia, not necessarily Flynn. JudyM Feb 2017 #11
How interesting eleny Feb 2017 #9
Been wondering if reliable elements within the IC were advised to watch for contacts. Cognitive_Resonance Feb 2017 #10
Exactly, I believe they would have been advised to do so. I think our allies were also primed to JudyM Feb 2017 #13
And hopefully our allies can do what repubs refuse to do: investigate. Looks that way. Amaryllis Feb 2017 #16
Obama provided the rope, but it was their choice to hang themselves with it. herding cats Feb 2017 #12
Yeah, the Very Smart Guy. JudyM Feb 2017 #15
Has a very good brain. volstork Feb 2017 #21
LOL! JudyM Feb 2017 #34
And Putin knew what he did BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #28
im sure Bill, Hills, Joe and PBO.... samnsara Feb 2017 #14
This thought is what lets me sleep t night! Frogg Feb 2017 #17
Obama also Stark85james Feb 2017 #18
Not following. As entrapment? Duppers Feb 2017 #23
Its this Stark85james Feb 2017 #24
I read that. Duppers Feb 2017 #29
Obama could have signed this Stark85james Feb 2017 #31
Executive Order. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2017 #27
I said something close to this in a thread yesterday AwakeAtLast Feb 2017 #19
A smart man our President Obama madokie Feb 2017 #20
The only way I believe that Obama set a trap and tRump fell in is if he also set up a way out Liberal In Red State Feb 2017 #22
agree, and it is us klebean Feb 2017 #25
We need election integrity reform more than anything. If they can keep manipulating it, we won't JudyM Feb 2017 #40
Agreed Liberal In Red State Feb 2017 #43
I wish he would have shrewdly exposed the Russian involvement in the first place milestogo Feb 2017 #30
That would've been so much better. Word was that McConnell threatened to defuse it as a purely JudyM Feb 2017 #32
FUCK MCCONNELL. milestogo Feb 2017 #33
Right there with you on that! JudyM Feb 2017 #35
President Obama knew this would not be Blue_Roses Feb 2017 #36
no kidding Skittles Feb 2017 #37
I think Obama's a really, really smart guy. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #38
I think he laid more than one trap for Donald Ilsa Feb 2017 #39
Stop reading my mind! tavernier Feb 2017 #41
Well, a "booby" trap would certainly draw in 45, Ilsa Feb 2017 #42
LOL! JudyM Feb 2017 #44

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
1. I think he knew the presidency was going to devour Cheeto, the GOP would be unable to govern
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 05:26 PM
Feb 2017

and that God writes straight with crooked lines.

Plus, the specter of Trump winning with help from Russian intervention in the election and repaying them by lifting sanctions was never going to fly.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
26. I think President Obama has too much integrity
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 09:19 PM
Feb 2017

to put us in such a horrible position. Granted I can't imagine why he didn't fire the Commie Comey, maybe someone is investigating him and didn't want to screw up the investigation....I know it is a big maybe.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,434 posts)
2. I wondered if something was up with the sanctions.
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 05:29 PM
Feb 2017

It occurred very late in Obama's term, and reasonably, we could expect that the sanctions would still be "fresh" when Trumpy took over. If sanctions are placed on Russia, we knew that lifting them would be Trumpy's eventual responsibility, but Trumpy would either have to lift them or leave them alone. So Obama left a homework assignment for Trumpy. And Trumpy's homework paper would show all of us whether he was being a good student. Obama was also well aware of Trumpy's being a patsy for Putin, so he designed this homework to exacerbate many of Trumpy's vulnerabilities. So what does Trumpy do? And what can we learn about Trumpy because of the sanctions? It was a great move on Obama's part, and characteristic of how he prefers to operate.

Lotusflower70

(3,077 posts)
3. Interesting observations
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 05:33 PM
Feb 2017

Great strategy on the part of a very brilliant man. President Obama is playing chess while Captain Clueless can't even play chess. And in his arrogance thought he could just waltz into the White House and dictate how everything would go. Welcome to reality Donald and not the alternate scripted version you live in.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
6. Thanks for everyone's comments-
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 05:35 PM
Feb 2017

I agree with all of you (OP and comments 1-5) that Obama had thought this through in his signature shrewd long-game fashion.

Cognitive_Resonance

(1,546 posts)
7. Bait...they took it hook, line, and sinker.
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 05:39 PM
Feb 2017

Sanctions and actions were definitely in order, but there appears to have been an element of setting them up to take the bait.

LeftInTX

(25,526 posts)
8. He knew they would try to undo them
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 05:42 PM
Feb 2017

It would make them look bad.

But he didn't anticipate Flynn contacting the Russian ambassador.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
9. How interesting
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 05:42 PM
Feb 2017

Yesterday we again heard about how both Obama and Trump were advised about the intel surrounding the Russian involvement in our election. Perhaps O and his team were already learning enough intel that verified the connections between Trump aides and the Russians.

So the sanctions went into place and they concurrently put pressure on the Trump-Putin relationship as well as squeezed the Russians (a parting "gift" to Putin).

JudyM, I like the way you think. Public pressure and the poor relationship between Trump and the NSA led to leaks and things are now crumbling from within.

Rec'd!

Cognitive_Resonance

(1,546 posts)
10. Been wondering if reliable elements within the IC were advised to watch for contacts.
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 05:45 PM
Feb 2017

Also, it would be interesting to know more about the specifics of the intercepts. Reportedly Flynn was using some kind of encryption. Was this official secure technology, a Russian system, or something private. It has to be used on both endpoints. It sounds like he must have believed it was a secure channel, protected from U.S. IC intercept.

JudyM

(29,270 posts)
13. Exactly, I believe they would have been advised to do so. I think our allies were also primed to
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 05:51 PM
Feb 2017

keep alert for anything, in their own best interests, as well, out of concern for tRump's closeness with Russia and the anticipated shift away from support of NATO, etc.

herding cats

(19,567 posts)
12. Obama provided the rope, but it was their choice to hang themselves with it.
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 05:49 PM
Feb 2017

He knew they'd take the bait, of course. Look at who he was dealing with.

BumRushDaShow

(129,381 posts)
28. And Putin knew what he did
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 09:28 PM
Feb 2017

which is why he decided not to "retaliate" to see what his puppet would do next. But I don't think he expected to have to deal with a bumbling blond Boris Badenov instead.



samnsara

(17,634 posts)
14. im sure Bill, Hills, Joe and PBO....
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 06:04 PM
Feb 2017

are having many glasses of wine together and enjoying the Trump Train Wreck.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
23. Not following. As entrapment?
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 08:25 PM
Feb 2017

I'm only guessing, he knew the data would exposed Rump's interactions with Russia?





Duppers

(28,125 posts)
29. I read that.
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:22 PM
Feb 2017

But this is for Rump how? All intelligence agencies now share info on him. I'm not assuming or drawing conclusions you may have.

Thx.

 

Stark85james

(20 posts)
31. Obama could have signed this
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:27 PM
Feb 2017

Years ago. I guess i dont have anything to specifically say it was for trump, but, i dont think it was a coincidence. I think obama wanted as many eyes sifting thru this stuff as possible. Quick as possible.

22. The only way I believe that Obama set a trap and tRump fell in is if he also set up a way out
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 08:17 PM
Feb 2017

of this mess for "We the People"! This isn't just about getting the orange a$$ but also about stopping the damage that the embolden GOP are wreaking on this country. They stole the WH, the Supreme Court and have now run rough shod over the Cabinet. We need to haunt them. Removal of tRump is not enough.

klebean

(284 posts)
25. agree, and it is us
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 08:49 PM
Feb 2017

and it is Eric Holder, Barack Obama, the ACLU, the Anti Defamation League, the NAACP, the AFL-CIO, etc.
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Check it out.

JudyM

(29,270 posts)
40. We need election integrity reform more than anything. If they can keep manipulating it, we won't
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 09:26 AM
Feb 2017

have a chance... it's just getting worse.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
30. I wish he would have shrewdly exposed the Russian involvement in the first place
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:26 PM
Feb 2017

and encouraged Hillary Clinton not to concede and to contest the election.

JudyM

(29,270 posts)
32. That would've been so much better. Word was that McConnell threatened to defuse it as a purely
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 01:02 AM
Feb 2017

partisan move on Obama's part, but I don't see that that would've caused more damage than sitting on it like he did. Was he just concerned about leaving on a good note?

Blue_Roses

(12,894 posts)
36. President Obama knew this would not be
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 05:15 AM
Feb 2017

something that would be resolved in a short period of time. I don't think he sat on it, in fact, I was impressed with all that he did in the short amount of time.

Something this big--and we've only seen the tip of the iceberg-- takes time to sort out. I hate that too, but it keeps it from being a sloppy mess.

Skittles

(153,185 posts)
37. no kidding
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 06:22 AM
Feb 2017

no matter what happened, it would have been nowhere near as bad as THIS

he was cowed by McConnell, while they were going on about Hillary's email

gawd

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
38. I think Obama's a really, really smart guy.
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 06:56 AM
Feb 2017

He may have understood we'd have to endure some short term chaos and even real risk-

To reach an eventual outcome- assuming the institutions and design of our republic function as intended- far more healthy for our nation's long-term future.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
39. I think he laid more than one trap for Donald
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 07:27 AM
Feb 2017

and his grossly inexperienced strategists and advisors.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
42. Well, a "booby" trap would certainly draw in 45,
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 09:45 AM
Feb 2017

wouldn't it? Especially if he was told Ivanka's boobies were involved.

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