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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsObama shrewdly set this all up by sanctioning Russia.
Pondering the images of him appearing so lighthearted and relaxed in his last days and after leaving office... Aware of the likely devastation of our liberties and system of government that was about to ensue, how could he not be filled with deep dread and concern like the rest of us?
Maybe because he had a "trump card" -- he knew that tRump would be forced to "fix" the sanctions, and that he or his team would be taped or otherwise caught conferring with Putin's people in making this happen. Obama knew far more than us about what was happening, and he may have laid a clever trap.
BeyondGeography
(39,377 posts)and that God writes straight with crooked lines.
Plus, the specter of Trump winning with help from Russian intervention in the election and repaying them by lifting sanctions was never going to fly.
DK504
(3,847 posts)to put us in such a horrible position. Granted I can't imagine why he didn't fire the Commie Comey, maybe someone is investigating him and didn't want to screw up the investigation....I know it is a big maybe.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)It occurred very late in Obama's term, and reasonably, we could expect that the sanctions would still be "fresh" when Trumpy took over. If sanctions are placed on Russia, we knew that lifting them would be Trumpy's eventual responsibility, but Trumpy would either have to lift them or leave them alone. So Obama left a homework assignment for Trumpy. And Trumpy's homework paper would show all of us whether he was being a good student. Obama was also well aware of Trumpy's being a patsy for Putin, so he designed this homework to exacerbate many of Trumpy's vulnerabilities. So what does Trumpy do? And what can we learn about Trumpy because of the sanctions? It was a great move on Obama's part, and characteristic of how he prefers to operate.
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)Great strategy on the part of a very brilliant man. President Obama is playing chess while Captain Clueless can't even play chess. And in his arrogance thought he could just waltz into the White House and dictate how everything would go. Welcome to reality Donald and not the alternate scripted version you live in.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,170 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)Obama will fuck you up - almost checkmate
MBS
(9,688 posts)I agree with all of you (OP and comments 1-5) that Obama had thought this through in his signature shrewd long-game fashion.
Cognitive_Resonance
(1,546 posts)Sanctions and actions were definitely in order, but there appears to have been an element of setting them up to take the bait.
LeftInTX
(25,526 posts)It would make them look bad.
But he didn't anticipate Flynn contacting the Russian ambassador.
JudyM
(29,270 posts)eleny
(46,166 posts)Yesterday we again heard about how both Obama and Trump were advised about the intel surrounding the Russian involvement in our election. Perhaps O and his team were already learning enough intel that verified the connections between Trump aides and the Russians.
So the sanctions went into place and they concurrently put pressure on the Trump-Putin relationship as well as squeezed the Russians (a parting "gift" to Putin).
JudyM, I like the way you think. Public pressure and the poor relationship between Trump and the NSA led to leaks and things are now crumbling from within.
Rec'd!
Cognitive_Resonance
(1,546 posts)Also, it would be interesting to know more about the specifics of the intercepts. Reportedly Flynn was using some kind of encryption. Was this official secure technology, a Russian system, or something private. It has to be used on both endpoints. It sounds like he must have believed it was a secure channel, protected from U.S. IC intercept.
JudyM
(29,270 posts)keep alert for anything, in their own best interests, as well, out of concern for tRump's closeness with Russia and the anticipated shift away from support of NATO, etc.
Amaryllis
(9,525 posts)herding cats
(19,567 posts)He knew they'd take the bait, of course. Look at who he was dealing with.
JudyM
(29,270 posts)volstork
(5,403 posts)Believe me.
BumRushDaShow
(129,381 posts)which is why he decided not to "retaliate" to see what his puppet would do next. But I don't think he expected to have to deal with a bumbling blond Boris Badenov instead.
samnsara
(17,634 posts)are having many glasses of wine together and enjoying the Trump Train Wreck.
Frogg
(365 posts)Stark85james
(20 posts)Passed law 12333 on january 12th just for trump
Duppers
(28,125 posts)I'm only guessing, he knew the data would exposed Rump's interactions with Russia?
Stark85james
(20 posts)Duppers
(28,125 posts)But this is for Rump how? All intelligence agencies now share info on him. I'm not assuming or drawing conclusions you may have.
Thx.
Stark85james
(20 posts)Years ago. I guess i dont have anything to specifically say it was for trump, but, i dont think it was a coincidence. I think obama wanted as many eyes sifting thru this stuff as possible. Quick as possible.
rzemanfl
(29,567 posts)AwakeAtLast
(14,133 posts)Thanks, Obama!!!
madokie
(51,076 posts)a much loved President too
I see him as family
Liberal In Red State
(442 posts)of this mess for "We the People"! This isn't just about getting the orange a$$ but also about stopping the damage that the embolden GOP are wreaking on this country. They stole the WH, the Supreme Court and have now run rough shod over the Cabinet. We need to haunt them. Removal of tRump is not enough.
klebean
(284 posts)and it is Eric Holder, Barack Obama, the ACLU, the Anti Defamation League, the NAACP, the AFL-CIO, etc.
We The People must work at the local level. I signed up at [link:SwingLeft.org|
Check it out.
JudyM
(29,270 posts)have a chance... it's just getting worse.
Liberal In Red State
(442 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)and encouraged Hillary Clinton not to concede and to contest the election.
JudyM
(29,270 posts)partisan move on Obama's part, but I don't see that that would've caused more damage than sitting on it like he did. Was he just concerned about leaving on a good note?
milestogo
(16,829 posts)Caring what McConnell thinks is a waste.
JudyM
(29,270 posts)Blue_Roses
(12,894 posts)something that would be resolved in a short period of time. I don't think he sat on it, in fact, I was impressed with all that he did in the short amount of time.
Something this big--and we've only seen the tip of the iceberg-- takes time to sort out. I hate that too, but it keeps it from being a sloppy mess.
Skittles
(153,185 posts)no matter what happened, it would have been nowhere near as bad as THIS
he was cowed by McConnell, while they were going on about Hillary's email
gawd
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)He may have understood we'd have to endure some short term chaos and even real risk-
To reach an eventual outcome- assuming the institutions and design of our republic function as intended- far more healthy for our nation's long-term future.
Ilsa
(61,697 posts)and his grossly inexperienced strategists and advisors.
tavernier
(12,396 posts)Although I was calling them "booby traps".
Ilsa
(61,697 posts)wouldn't it? Especially if he was told Ivanka's boobies were involved.