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DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 02:14 AM Feb 2017

about Milo and Maher

I confess I am of two minds about this: on the one hand, not only does me low have an abundance of soapboxes to spew his hate speech, that anyone who reads what he actually says knows he is encouraging violence, which automatically should cut down any objection to censoring him. He is the guy that will yell "fire" in a crowded theater.

However, I can understand why not allowing him to speak could make a martyr out of him. What a lot of people who he Trump did not understand is this: his followers are fueled by our anger. They get to go on the Internet and say "look at help his we made this liberal, Yahoo!" instead of making them feel ashamed, they feel like they are confirmed. So I can understand some of why Bill Maherwas willing to allow him on.

However, if you are going to let someone that toxic get airtime, airtime but some agents will literally pay millions of dollars to try to get, you better make it clear why you are doing it, to shame or the very least give a very hard challenge to the hateful actions such a person has done. let me state this clearly: Bill Maher did a piece poor job at best, and at worst was outright supportive! For someone who has had a television show for the better part of a decade, for someone that has been out right merciless against religious types, he was making clear that he was enjoying Mr. Y, and indeed, seem to be enjoying using him to pass off liberals, the same way Mr. Bannon does. That alone means that Bill Meyer show should be consigned to the trash heap.

Now now, before someone brings up the inevitable "he has Ann Coulter and Grover Norquist on there all the time" deflection, let me say this, Ms. Coulter and especially Mr. Norquist are old, established and more importantly, most importantly loaded with money. They are a cancer that if you attempted to just cut it off would simply leave the patient bleeding thanks to the fact that they have spread to the very roots. Mr.Y is not that, yet. For all the celebrity he may have, he is just one day away from being another reality Internet TV star, the ones that Bravo or VH1 will put in some degrading pseudo-game show so we can laugh at them while they're forced to wear funny costumes. When someone is trying to go from being a small C " celebrity" to a capital C, that is when they are vulnerable, and that is when absolutely no quarter should be spared. No portion be spared especially from someone who became a famous television star because he gave the act of showing no quarter, even though he is very comfortable with people who hate us and often uses his platform to assault minorities and women, becoming the very the sort of clueless "white liberal" he rages against.

You will see an example of how this interview should've gone:



there is Joe Rogan, someone much more famous for his work with the UFC than he ever was as a comedian, certainly not as famous as Bill was. Yet you see Joe destroying Mr.Y, in a way that merely brutal, but comes straight to the heart of the matter, and, and is actually said with Heart. Compare the way Milo looked on Joe's show with the fawning on Bill Maher. Joe did not even need Larry wilmer, though gos I wish he had him on.

By the way Bill, you allowed your black guest to be treated like extras in a minstrel show despite the fact that both of them had credentials that were more solid than your favorite guest. That will not be forgotten, nor should it. If they show had worked like it should, Mr. Y would've been embarrassed at the very least, instead your credibility is the one that is going down the toilet.
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about Milo and Maher (Original Post) DonCoquixote Feb 2017 OP
Wow...nt pkdu Feb 2017 #1
Milo's religion is Milo. dchill Feb 2017 #2
He's a pathetic and stupid little troll in his grandmama's jewelry. MADem Feb 2017 #3
Agreed. WILMORE demolished the a-hole with one line: UTUSN Feb 2017 #14
Annnnnnd he's been DISINVITED from the CPAC conference! MADem Feb 2017 #15
"fire in a crowded theater" is the most tortured/over/misused anti-free speech metaphor in history Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #4
ok, i wont link to breitbart DonCoquixote Feb 2017 #10
openly mocking people or saying "you deserve to be harassed on twitter" isn't encouraging violence. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #12
Saying "It's OK to molest under-aged children" IS encouraging sexual violence against kids. nt MADem Feb 2017 #19
Advocating for pedophilia is violence against children. MADem Feb 2017 #16
and how would anyone know this about him Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #21
and why should anyone (with the exception of LEO's) know about him? Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #30
he's already out there. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #32
That his appearance on Maher, as opposed to his booking by CPAC Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #33
What is provable is, it shot a giant fucking hole through his "liberals wont let me speak" argument Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #34
meh. we disagree. Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #35
The end result is what matters. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #36
Who's "not allowing" him to speak? MADem Feb 2017 #47
My point is that 48 hours of sunlight did more to shut that guy down than months of riots. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #49
I do think Maher had a role in dragging that vampire out into the sunlight. MADem Feb 2017 #50
If Maher had Leslie Jones on to balance this Swagman Feb 2017 #5
"Freedom of speech" doesn't mean "you have a right to appear on television" Spider Jerusalem Feb 2017 #6
certainly. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #7
Who stated Milo is objectively worse than Coulter? LanternWaste Feb 2017 #22
The point is mostly that Coulter's been on that show countless times. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #23
The Joe Rogan clip is great, by the way. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #8
thanks DonCoquixote Feb 2017 #11
I'm going to go against the tide, here, and say Maher did us all a great service. MADem Feb 2017 #17
I agree ... Auggie Feb 2017 #20
Exactly. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #24
I don't know about comedy and UFC... yallerdawg Feb 2017 #55
Maher did his best to normalize a hate monger Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #9
Normalized and Exposed erpowers Feb 2017 #13
I rather think he "played both ends against the middle." MADem Feb 2017 #18
I actually don't think his shit would have flown at CPAC. I don't think they knew what they were Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #25
They wanted to rub our LIBERAL noses in him, frankly. MADem Feb 2017 #37
What confuses me, is why the people who were supposedly committed enough to shutting him down that Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #38
Yep.... доверяй, но проверяй as the Russians and Raygun used to say.... MADem Feb 2017 #39
Except that Coulter does come on the show, that's not a deflection, it's a fact BannonsLiver Feb 2017 #26
I don't think she's an advocate for child sexual abuse. MADem Feb 2017 #40
not that we know of BannonsLiver Feb 2017 #42
Well, I consider child protection a party platform issue. MADem Feb 2017 #43
Sorry to disagree but there's just not much daylight BannonsLiver Feb 2017 #46
it means DonCoquixote Feb 2017 #52
How's that working out? BannonsLiver Feb 2017 #58
I lost my enthusiasm for Maher...about 3 "This Is Why Liberals Are Assholes" lectures ago. Paladin Feb 2017 #27
Same here, even though I keep trying to give him a shoot. rogue emissary Feb 2017 #28
Hey, if Maher wants to use Dennis Miller as a business model, let him. Paladin Feb 2017 #29
Dennis Miller? melman Feb 2017 #44
Maher is a rightward-trending Islamophobe, increasingly unworthy of liberal support. Paladin Feb 2017 #45
He's about a million dollars away from Millerville..... MADem Feb 2017 #48
Just want to give you a +100 for trying to talk down all the Maher-haters. I don't always agree with skylucy Feb 2017 #56
I don't agree with him LOTSA times....but I know that he's on the good folks' side of issues more MADem Feb 2017 #59
Proovocative speakers on campus. skip fox Feb 2017 #31
Bowling Green????? You mean..... the site of the MASSACRE???????? MADem Feb 2017 #41
Different approaches Lotusflower70 Feb 2017 #51
the point was DonCoquixote Feb 2017 #53
Understood Lotusflower70 Feb 2017 #54
He always allows Democrats to be talked over Warpy Feb 2017 #57

MADem

(135,425 posts)
3. He's a pathetic and stupid little troll in his grandmama's jewelry.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 04:25 AM
Feb 2017

Mock the shit outta him.

I don't know why Berkeley didn't let him speak. A second semester freshman with half a functioning brain could eat that little twit's lunch.

He's not clever, he's not smart, and it's obvious he's "in it for the LULZ." He's a loser--a glib little one-note putz.

I predict a very short and harsh trajectory for that little fuck.

FWIW I thought Nance and Wilmore KILLED on that show. The "minstrel" comment is out of line and not accurate, either.

UTUSN

(70,719 posts)
14. Agreed. WILMORE demolished the a-hole with one line:
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 02:46 PM
Feb 2017

When the a-hole said he's equally hated by both the Alt-Right and the "extreme Left" WILMORE said:

"I think you're leaving out a whole lot of people!"

MADem

(135,425 posts)
15. Annnnnnd he's been DISINVITED from the CPAC conference!
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 04:14 PM
Feb 2017

I guess they don't like OPEN pedophiles kicking off their festivities....?


http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/20/media/milo-yiannopoulos-cpac/

All that "Waaah waaah the left doesn't like the First Amendment" shit didn't last long, did it?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
4. "fire in a crowded theater" is the most tortured/over/misused anti-free speech metaphor in history
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 04:44 AM
Feb 2017

Last edited Sun Feb 19, 2017, 05:15 AM - Edit history (1)

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-time-to-stop-using-the-fire-in-a-crowded-theater-quote/264449/

Beyond that, serious question: What specific statements has Mr. Yiannapolous made encouraging violence? I'm not saying "does he have people who followed him on twitter who are assholes"- I'm saying, where is the actual quote of him encouraging violence.

Specifically.

I've seen him say some stupid shit, but I've never heard him encourage violence. I'm not saying he hasn't, but, you made the assertion pretty definitively, so maybe you have a quote. I'd be interested to see it.



Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
12. openly mocking people or saying "you deserve to be harassed on twitter" isn't encouraging violence.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 06:06 PM
Feb 2017

Like I said, the guy's an asshole. But that's not the same thing.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
16. Advocating for pedophilia is violence against children.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 04:15 PM
Feb 2017

It's why even the wingnuts are running from him....

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/20/media/milo-yiannopoulos-cpac/

He flamed out sooner than I even thought !!!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
32. he's already out there.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 06:46 PM
Feb 2017

He's been running on the fuel of "liberal authoritarian censors want to silence me because liberals hate free speech".

Well, a liberal allowed him on his show, debunking that particular data point, and in the process kicked the rock over that he's been hiding under, and voila. Now everyone knows who he is.

The system, as they say, works.

Maru Kitteh

(28,342 posts)
33. That his appearance on Maher, as opposed to his booking by CPAC
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 07:07 PM
Feb 2017

brought about this revelation is unprovable at best.



Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
34. What is provable is, it shot a giant fucking hole through his "liberals wont let me speak" argument
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 08:02 PM
Feb 2017

which means people moved past it to look at what he's actually said.

Maru Kitteh

(28,342 posts)
35. meh. we disagree.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 08:14 PM
Feb 2017

I didn't find his appearance on Maher particularly relevant, especially in comparison to being named a keynote at CPAC. Being a keynote at CPAC brought out the long knives from the left and the right.

Either way - the great thing is, we'll not be hearing so much from him anymore! Pro kid-diddlers are not real popular.


ETA: To be clear, I am not laughing about kid-diddling. I am laughing that Milo was shut the fuck up.



MADem

(135,425 posts)
47. Who's "not allowing" him to speak?
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 05:38 PM
Feb 2017

Failing to pay him for personal appearances, at a college or at a fucked up meeting of wingnuts, isn't "not allowing" him to speak.

He had the biggest platform in the wingnut world up until a few days ago, as an editor at that BREITBART rag.


I'm sure he has a computer, can find an internet signal, and knows how to type.


No one is "not allowing." That dog ain't hunting. If he or his supporters tries to make that claim they need to be promptly disabused of that idea.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
49. My point is that 48 hours of sunlight did more to shut that guy down than months of riots.
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 06:30 PM
Feb 2017

That's all.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
50. I do think Maher had a role in dragging that vampire out into the sunlight.
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 06:31 PM
Feb 2017

I also think that was his goal; he was playing a long(er) game.

Swagman

(1,934 posts)
5. If Maher had Leslie Jones on to balance this
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 04:49 AM
Feb 2017

ghastly neo-Nazi with his cheap fake pearls it may have been justified but the use of this 'free speech' mantra to allow him a platform is insulting.

It's like saying someone abuses a person in the street because of their religion or their looks is perfectly reasonable because they are exercising free speech. This is not what free speech is about.

Fuck Maher.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
6. "Freedom of speech" doesn't mean "you have a right to appear on television"
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 04:52 AM
Feb 2017

anyone arguing that saying you shouldn't give Yiannopoulos a platform is a "free speech issue" is an idiot who doesn't understand how that works.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
7. certainly.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 05:21 AM
Feb 2017

but anyone who thought they were gonna shame Bill Maher into not booking the guy also hasn't been paying much attention to who Bill Maher actually is.


Beyond that, I'm still not sure why he's objectively any worse than Ann "Kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity" Coulter.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
22. Who stated Milo is objectively worse than Coulter?
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 05:07 PM
Feb 2017

Who stated Milo is objectively worse than Coulter?

I did read "old, established and more importantly, most importantly loaded with money...", yet that does not encompass the bad/worse/worst scale.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
23. The point is mostly that Coulter's been on that show countless times.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 05:13 PM
Feb 2017

Without people losing their shit to the extent that they did over this appearance.

Personally, I think the effective way to handle the guy is to debate him and expose the thinness of his arguments, at least the arguments he has beyond "liberal authoritarian censors want to silence me"- of which there aren't, actually, very many.

Use his words against him, awesome. It would appear the guy's career has taken more dings in the last 48 hours than it has in years- so maybe sunlight really is the best disinfectant.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
11. thanks
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 12:11 PM
Feb 2017

I put it there to show that yes, tyhere is a right way to do this that does not make Milo look good, which is what Bill failed to do. Considering the fact that Joe Rogan makes his money from the UFC instead of being a famous tv host for comedy, Bill had NO excuse.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
17. I'm going to go against the tide, here, and say Maher did us all a great service.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 04:21 PM
Feb 2017

His willingness to put this asshole on his show raised his profile, caused people to look closer at him, and uncovered all of his pedophilia-endorsing comments and interviews that heretofore had been hidden from view or not widely disseminated.

As a consequence, the wingnuts on the right who were sobbing about how MEAN the LEFT was to not let him speak at Berkeley as they affected some sort of solidarity with him (even as they actively DESPISE gay people) because of his supposed conservative views are now running from him like they are SCALDED.

He's been disinvited from CPAC faster than Berkeley decided they didn't want him to appear!!!

Auggie

(31,177 posts)
20. I agree ...
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 04:39 PM
Feb 2017

this creep had been totally off my radar until Berkeley -- I had never heard of him! Maher gave me a chance to see this deplorable up close.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
55. I don't know about comedy and UFC...
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 06:50 PM
Feb 2017

but Joe Rogan ruined many a dinner with his 'Fear Factor' challenges!

What those contestants ate from week to week will forever be etched into my mind!

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
9. Maher did his best to normalize a hate monger
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 11:52 AM
Feb 2017

when he read stuff said by Joan Rivers. That is a false equivalency.

The problem is that Maher is a bigot and his bigotry is growing as time goes by.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
13. Normalized and Exposed
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 02:04 PM
Feb 2017

It seems like the interview both normalized and exposed Milo Yiannopoulos. Due to a lack of factual push back from Maher, Yiannopoulos was normalized. In regard to Leslie Jones, Yiannopoulos was allowed to claim all he did was write a bad movie review and the only reason Jones responded to him was because the movie studio pushed her to do so because the movie was tanking. Maher did not question whether any of that information was true. It is very possible that Yiannopoulos did more than just write a bad movie review; he may have pushed his followers to harass Jones. Encouraging you followers to harass someone is much different than just writing a bad movie review.

However, even without major push back from Maher, Yiannopoulos was exposed as a foolish lightweight. Most of what he said did not have any real substance. He mainly continued to attack high profile liberal celebrities. However, he did not talk about any real policy issues. He did not give a good defense, or any defense at all, of conservative ideas. He did not even seem to want to call himself a conservative. Therefore, he likely came across as an overrated attention seeker.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
18. I rather think he "played both ends against the middle."
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 04:29 PM
Feb 2017

And here's the end result:

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/20/media/milo-yiannopoulos-cpac/

I give credit to Maher for this. If this jerk's profile hadn't been elevated, and gotten people up in arms, his previous interviews never would have seen the light of day. The REAL "normalization" would have occurred when he appeared at CPAC.

He'll be less famous than Tonya Harding is today --with fewer gigs--before too long.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
25. I actually don't think his shit would have flown at CPAC. I don't think they knew what they were
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 05:16 PM
Feb 2017

getting at all, by inviting him- they just thought "aha! Fresh new voice to appeal to Millennials!"

I suspect those geezers would have been horrified by him.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
37. They wanted to rub our LIBERAL noses in him, frankly.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 06:50 PM
Feb 2017

They wanted to insist that we were "fake inclusive" and intolerant of the gay cross-dresser SIMPLY FOR HIS CONSERVATIVE VIEWS.

They later found out that his "VIEWS" were intolerable to anyone who wasn't a sick SOB having no problem with child molestation.

I'll bet he already had marching orders to "tone it down" at CPAC, in exchange for keeping that job (that he has since lost) at BREITBART. Of course, since he's been disinvited, we'll never know what he would have said.

Now, the wingnuts are busily saying that "someone" spent $250K to "investigate" this idiot, when Google or a LEXIS/NEXIS search, tops, would have pulled up every sick comment the guy has ever made--the "trick" was for someone to go through all his garbage, and there were plenty of people who were motivated to do just that.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
38. What confuses me, is why the people who were supposedly committed enough to shutting him down that
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 07:22 PM
Feb 2017

they were willing to set downtown Berkeley on fire, didn't have the motivation or wherewithal to dig up this publicly available clip.

Unless..... maybe they weren't entirely what they were supposed to be.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
39. Yep.... доверяй, но проверяй as the Russians and Raygun used to say....
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 07:57 PM
Feb 2017

I wouldn't be surprised if the Poutrage at Berkeley was at least "egged on" by Alt-Righters who were so far right they were Alt-Lefters--we see them stirring the pot, still, often enough.

Thing is, with our team, when they "egg us on" we investigate. We're less likely to take bullshit at face value. Milo had already said some pretty despicable things, racist, bigoted, hate-filled things, that were offensive enough for us--but he had to go into child molestation before he started to make the conservatives squeamish.

BannonsLiver

(16,411 posts)
26. Except that Coulter does come on the show, that's not a deflection, it's a fact
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 05:23 PM
Feb 2017

She's a racist, and everything else ascribed to Milo. So because she's "established and loaded with money" that makes it somehow less offensive than Milo? Not sure I follow that logic.

I won't even address the Grover Norquist thing. Cultural issues are not his bag, never have been so not sure how he would ever enter into a comparison with Coulter and Milo when it comes to vile conservative assholes. He's a no regs, no taxes guy.

As for the other stuff, other than Maher telling Milo to go fuck himself, and shut the fuck up, on another occasion, as well as mocking his attire, one could argue the interview could have been tougher but in the end, Milo was revealed to be a giggling clod. Mission accomplished.


MADem

(135,425 posts)
40. I don't think she's an advocate for child sexual abuse.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 08:01 PM
Feb 2017

I'm not "defending" her--I think she's an asshole who is brought on to provide a rightwing punching bag, and she loves the role because she can play the victim to her conservative audience--but I've never heard of her condoning the kind of stuff Milo was giggling and laughing about.

BannonsLiver

(16,411 posts)
42. not that we know of
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 12:00 AM
Feb 2017

But if you look solely at their political views rather than their sexual predilections there is no difference.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
43. Well, I consider child protection a party platform issue.
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 03:30 AM
Feb 2017

So in that sense, it's political.

GOP would defund abuse prevention/detection/victim services, while the Dems would not.

That Milo has some unsavory ideas about child abuse. I've never heard Coulter say the kinds of things he has said--not that I follow her closely, but I think that kind of remark would get some publicity.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
52. it means
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 06:41 PM
Feb 2017

she is a lot less vulnerable than MIlo, and therefore we do nto need to give oxygen to Milo lest he become as big as she is.

Paladin

(28,267 posts)
27. I lost my enthusiasm for Maher...about 3 "This Is Why Liberals Are Assholes" lectures ago.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 05:32 PM
Feb 2017

Fuck him, and all the obnoxious right-wingers for whom he provides a platform.

rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
28. Same here, even though I keep trying to give him a shoot.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 06:13 PM
Feb 2017

He did one two weeks ago. Suggesting that Liberals anti-racist twitter outrage led to Donny stealing the election. In his rant, he never seems to point out that when conservatives are special snowflakes they pass anti-gay and anti-trans laws all over the country.

Paladin

(28,267 posts)
29. Hey, if Maher wants to use Dennis Miller as a business model, let him.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 06:16 PM
Feb 2017

I got a belly-full of his liberal bashing, long ago.

Paladin

(28,267 posts)
45. Maher is a rightward-trending Islamophobe, increasingly unworthy of liberal support.
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 09:39 AM
Feb 2017

As far as I'm concerned, he's headed for Millerville.

skylucy

(3,739 posts)
56. Just want to give you a +100 for trying to talk down all the Maher-haters. I don't always agree with
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 07:07 PM
Feb 2017

Bill Maher,(the only person I agree with 100% of the time is myself), but he is definitely a pretty darned liberal guy who has put his money where his mouth is. I watch him regularly and I don't think the people bashing him really watch him or have read his books etc. Lately, there sure seem to be a lot of posts that involve demonizing people who are NOT enemies of our cause. I don't really get it, but thanks for speaking up and injecting some sanity into the discussion.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
59. I don't agree with him LOTSA times....but I know that he's on the good folks' side of issues more
Sun Feb 26, 2017, 04:40 AM
Feb 2017

often than not.

He's a product of his age and gender; he wasn't always terribly enlightened when it came to women's issues (then again he wasn't alone). He probably still has a ways to go, but I think some of his young girlfriends are providing a few teachable moments for him.

I think his greatest strength is that -- eventually (he's not always the first one out of the gate, leading the charge) he LEARNS. He's like a lot of people. Not everyone is "leading edge," in fact, most aren't!

I don't buy that "Perfect is the enemy of the good"/"No Quarter" stuff at all. People who are advancing the Dem agenda and fostering teamwork are OK with me. Divisive shits can go take a flying leap, though!

In fact, when I see someone digging in their heels and getting vicious towards someone who has been a reliable Dem ally, I have to wonder if they get paid in rubles!

skip fox

(19,359 posts)
31. Proovocative speakers on campus.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 06:45 PM
Feb 2017

When I was an adolescent in Bowing Green, Ohio in the 1960's, Bowling Green State University invited Lincoln Rockwell, the leader of the American Nazi Party, to speak. Hundreds of people from town came. It was held in the basketball areans and the place was packed. My father took me and my sisters. It was fantastic. Rockwell spoke civilly and calmly. Afterwards, he was asked (civilly) a multitude of questions. It was a great night for my home town. No one was swayed, but we were all more informed.

The difference between Rockwell and a character like Milo What'shisass was that Rockwell was not a provocateur and didn't use abusive language.

Lotusflower70

(3,077 posts)
51. Different approaches
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 06:36 PM
Feb 2017

But entirely necessary. I thought your line on Malcolm Nance and Larry Wilmore was out of line and inappropriate. They brought the hammer down and it was quite effective.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
53. the point was
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 06:43 PM
Feb 2017

Maher allowed them to be treated in a very bad manner. He deserves no credit for the fact that Wilmore had to take the wheel.

Lotusflower70

(3,077 posts)
54. Understood
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 06:49 PM
Feb 2017

But they are grown adults talking to an immature guy. They outclassed Milo with ease and got the job done. Sometimes it's not always pretty but it worked. I don't doubt for a minute that Nance and Wilmore can take care of themselves. If he wouldn't have been on the show, I think it would have been a detriment. The right would have annointed him. At the end of the day, it was handled and we move on to the next issue at hand.

Warpy

(111,302 posts)
57. He always allows Democrats to be talked over
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 07:18 PM
Feb 2017

by blathering right wingers, no matter what their color is, unless they're assertive enough to call the blabbermouth out on his/her rudeness.

However, I do think this might have been a master stroke on Maher's part. It was evidently the first time a mass audience has gotten a good look at the obnoxious little punk--and right wingers of all types do tune in to Maher's show when they like one of the guests. I could swear I heard a collective gasp of "that's him? from all over the country when the show aired, the guy they thought was so brilliant in print turning out to be an arrogant little twit swathed in pearls.

What do I base this on? I base it on his meteoric fall from grace right after the show aired.

We might owe Maher some gratitude for this one, even if he did the right thing for the wrong reason.

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