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babylonsister

(171,076 posts)
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 02:22 PM Feb 2017

Ever heard of "Yakla"? No? Then you know why Democrats suck at this...

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/2/19/1632615/-Ever-heard-of-Yakla-Then-you-know-why-Democrats-suck-at-this?detail=facebook


Ever heard of "Yakla"? No? Then you know why Democrats suck at this...
By SemDem
Sunday Feb 19, 2017 · 10:04 AM EST

You know what republicans screamed after they failed to adequately fund embassy security and an Al Qaeda affiliate killed four people in Libya?

BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI!
BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI!

Trump screamed “Benghazi" at every single campaign event. The only word he said more times was “emails". The GOP repeated it over and over at rallies, campaign events, and on social media. They dragged one of the victims' mother in front of an endless parade of cameras and featured her at their convention.

You may be the most politically disengaged person in America—but you’ve heard of Benghazi.

snip//


The raid occurred after 5pm, which was too late for Trump. He refused to go to the Situation Room. Maybe he wanted to watch Finding Nemo so he could follow the sequel he’d watch a few days later. Who knows.

What I do know is that it was a massacre. I use the term "massacre" because the entire village was practically wiped out.

The name of the village in the Yemen raid is was Yakla.


The facts of the deadly botched Yakla raid entailed the following:

57 people, including nine children under the age of 13 were killed and five were wounded
Death of Navy SEAL Chief Petty Officer William Owens
Destruction of a $70 million Osprey aircraft
Failure to capture the Al Qaeda leader, which was the mission of the raid


snip//

As Democrats, we don’t have to engage in phony, sanctimonious platitudes about the value of American life or engage in the wild-eyed conspiracy theories that the knuckledraggers of the GOP did for the Benghazi tragedy.

But dammit, we could AT LEAST bother to bring it up. Here we are less than one month later and already, it’s pretty-much forgotten.

You had better believe if this was under Hillary, “Yakla" would be in our lexicon as much as "Benghazi". But then again, if this were Hillary, this disaster wouldn’t have happened.
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Ever heard of "Yakla"? No? Then you know why Democrats suck at this... (Original Post) babylonsister Feb 2017 OP
Comments are worth reading. PdxSean Feb 2017 #1
my thoughts - Dems get back to roots and run for office. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2017 #15
K & R SunSeeker Feb 2017 #2
Yakla. We can say, write it. Makes search engines hum when we tell Trumpanzees "Yeah, but Yakla" Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #3
Disagree with the idea this would do anything. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2017 #16
Obviously it's not the only thing to do. But Republicons have been controlling language Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #17
if you compare it to Benghazi though, they drilled that meme on FNC 24/7 for months. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2017 #20
You've put your finger on a key issue, which can be used for many years: Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #22
the Christian right was on the downward slide for years. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2017 #26
As tRump would say, the raid was a TOTAL DISASTER ffr Feb 2017 #4
Yakla: tRump's War Crime, nine (9) days after being inaugurated Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #5
Are there people who cannot read the words for numbers, but can read other words? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2017 #8
Not condescending. It's for emphasis, that's all. Same way contracts make it crystal clear. nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #10
I find it condescending. You're implying I might not understand a word muriel_volestrangler Feb 2017 #13
Sorry you feel that, but I'll emphasize how astounding it is that 9 days in, tRump commits war crime Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #18
Only nine (9)? ret5hd Feb 2017 #23
the republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief dropped a big stinking YAKLA Achilleaze Feb 2017 #6
Thank You Gymbo Feb 2017 #7
Most Trump supporters are happy with the outcome of the raid muriel_volestrangler Feb 2017 #9
I certainly haven't forgotten. But if we don't work to keep it center stage, no one will. Lucinda Feb 2017 #11
In yet another installment of "if she had done it" LiberalLovinLug Feb 2017 #12
Most deplorables are HAPPY to have the families and neighbors killed too. Ligyron Feb 2017 #14
Basically, the christo-facist & racist streaks in the Republican psyche dehumanize Muslims & browns. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #19
That's fair and unfair. progressoid Feb 2017 #21
YES!! 100%! THIS! WinkyDink Feb 2017 #25
I figured "YEMEN!" would do. WinkyDink Feb 2017 #24

PdxSean

(574 posts)
1. Comments are worth reading.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 03:31 PM
Feb 2017

Discussions in the comments section signal upcoming problems for democrats. Democrats should NOT assume that shared outrage will translate into votes for old school "leaders" with proven track records for failing to EFFECTIVELY lead and/or fight for liberal values.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,128 posts)
15. my thoughts - Dems get back to roots and run for office.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 05:10 PM
Feb 2017

Air America dudn't work for various reasons, but mainly because there is not an audience for political talk radio on the left.

Run on getting money and corruption of Wall Street out of DC.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,020 posts)
3. Yakla. We can say, write it. Makes search engines hum when we tell Trumpanzees "Yeah, but Yakla"
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 03:40 PM
Feb 2017
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakla_raid

Further, Kahl stated, "Obama made no decisions on this before leaving office, believing it represented escalation of U.S. involvement in Yemen."[15] In a report for the Washington Post, multiple defense sources stated they expected the Trump Administration to more readily approve similar operations.[16]

The raid
Secretary of Defense James Mattis and General Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, presented the plan over dinner at the White House, on 25 January 2017, to President Trump, his son-in-law Jared Kushner, and his political strategist Steve Bannon. President Trump approved the plan then and there.[7] Michael Flynn, National Security Advisor to President Trump, was also at the dinner, but the decision did not go through the normal National Security Council (NSC) channels, through which heads or deputy heads of all agencies with a stake in the operation would be convened.[17] US military officials stated that the assault went forth “without sufficient intelligence, ground support, or adequate backup preparations.”


In the view of retired Lt Gen Mark Hertling, "The mission was a success by all accounts."[33] New York Times journalist David Sanger, who covered the raid, said on February 2, "It’s hard to call this much of a success yet, because we don’t know what the value was of the information they were trying to exploit, which came mostly from computers and cell phones. And from everything we have heard, they haven’t had a chance to assess that yet."[34]

The International Crisis Group's senior analyst on the Arabian Peninsula, April Longley Alley, described the raid as "a good example of what not to do": "The raid ignores the local political context, to the detriment of an effective counter-terrorism strategy."[35]

Karen J. Greenberg, the director of Fordham University's Center on National Security, said that Nawar al-Awlaki's death will be used by al Qaeda propagandists: "The perception will be that it's not enough to kill al-Awlaki — that the U.S. had to kill the entire family," she said.[32][36]


U.S. citizen Nawar al-Awlaki, also known as Nora, the eight-year-old daughter of Al Qaeda preacher Anwar al-Awlaki, killed in a 2011 drone strike, was among those killed.[30] The grandfather of the girl, Nasser al-Awlaki, said she was hit by a bullet to the neck and died two hours later.


Two hours of agony.

Trump said we must kill the families. The one promise he has kept.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,128 posts)
16. Disagree with the idea this would do anything.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 05:14 PM
Feb 2017

Benghazi worked because it was first introduced to elect Romney in 2012 and conveniently was the only weapon against Hillary who was super popular when she left the administration in 2013. Those committees wound up exposing the email server and the rest is Russia.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,020 posts)
17. Obviously it's not the only thing to do. But Republicons have been controlling language
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 05:38 PM
Feb 2017

Republicons have been framing the issues by controlling the language since the mid 1970s.

It's about time Democrats started doing the same in an organized way. George Lakoff, Noam Chomsky, and others have been trying to wake up Democrats to this.

It's why estate taxes got renamed "death taxes". It's why "death panels" has such currency. It's why Republicons call spending they like "investments" and "Congress will pay for it" (the Wall boondoggle); spending they don't like gets termed "a burden on taxpayers" and "the taxpayers will pay for it" (education, science).

It's coupled with relentless repetition of terms by way of media interviews and Congressional investigations. Hence "emails" is on everyone's lips when Hillary is mentioned.

Democrats must not cede the language to Republicons and must push progressive and liberal language, whenever possible.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,128 posts)
20. if you compare it to Benghazi though, they drilled that meme on FNC 24/7 for months.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 06:03 PM
Feb 2017

It was really all they had because they had nothing on Obama and Hillary would have been formidable.

Now there is so much to get these guys on that are HUGE. Which would get the most support across the aisle? That ought to be the drumbeat issue. IMHO.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,020 posts)
22. You've put your finger on a key issue, which can be used for many years:
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 06:41 PM
Feb 2017

Republicons put Party before Country.

Pence is proud of saying he is "1) christian, 2) conservative, and 3) Republican, in that order." No mention of country or USA. His actions are in accordance with his stated priorities.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,128 posts)
26. the Christian right was on the downward slide for years.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 09:50 PM
Feb 2017

Can't imagine Pence position a winning one if/when Twump is impeached.

ffr

(22,671 posts)
4. As tRump would say, the raid was a TOTAL DISASTER
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 03:43 PM
Feb 2017

Only now, it's his total disaster and it's hanging around his neck.

K&R

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Bernardo de La Paz

(49,020 posts)
5. Yakla: tRump's War Crime, nine (9) days after being inaugurated
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 03:50 PM
Feb 2017

The raid occurred Jan. 29 and had been approved Jan. 25 just five (5) days after taking office.

That's how eager he was to kill families.

Donald Trump reiterates desire to murder terrorists' families
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-reiterates-desire-to-murder-terrorists-families-a6912496.html
March 4, 2016

In the latest Republican debate, during which much of the world focused on a gag that referred to the size of the Mr Trump's genitalia, the frontrunner said he would endorse the murders.

Taking part in the Fox News GOP debate last night, the billionaire was asked about General Michael Hayden saying that the military would refuse to follow illegal orders such as the intentional killing of terrorists’ families.

Mr Trump said: “They won’t refuse, they’re not going to refuse me — believe me.”

muriel_volestrangler

(101,336 posts)
8. Are there people who cannot read the words for numbers, but can read other words?
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 04:15 PM
Feb 2017

It's an odd affectation that I notice a few Americans use when writing. It seems a bit condescending to the reader - as if the author is stopping to say "yes, that's right dear, it's a number".

If it were the other way round, in some vital document (especially a hand-written one), I might see a reason for it - write 'thirty one' after '31', in case the '1' looks like a '7' in their handwriting.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,336 posts)
13. I find it condescending. You're implying I might not understand a word
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 04:24 PM
Feb 2017

You don't need to 'emphasize' it. It's not a contract, and there's no need to do it in contracts either.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,020 posts)
18. Sorry you feel that, but I'll emphasize how astounding it is that 9 days in, tRump commits war crime
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 05:41 PM
Feb 2017

Can't do italics or bold in post titles, for one aspect of it.

9 days is all it took the Mango Mussolini to commit his soul.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
6. the republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief dropped a big stinking YAKLA
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 03:54 PM
Feb 2017

in his republican shorts.

republican draft & tax dodger FAILS.

People suffer from his stupidity & lazieness.

sad.

Gymbo

(133 posts)
7. Thank You
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 04:03 PM
Feb 2017

Otherwise I would have never heard of 'Yakla' I intend to use that every chance I can going forward.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,336 posts)
9. Most Trump supporters are happy with the outcome of the raid
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 04:20 PM
Feb 2017

They don't care how many Yemenis (even if one was legally an American citizen too) were killed; they assume they all supported "the bad guys". They think of the dead sailor as a hero. Those on the fence about Trump are unlikely to care much. To us, it was a botched job, so it's in the list of Trump's misdeeds. But I don't think we'd convince many of those in doubt by using the name endlessly (remember, the Republicans did that to target the gullible; you can't use the same tactics to win the non-gullible).

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
11. I certainly haven't forgotten. But if we don't work to keep it center stage, no one will.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 04:22 PM
Feb 2017

I've been trying to find out who was actually in the Situation Room when it was happening. We know Flynn and Trump weren't...

LiberalLovinLug

(14,175 posts)
12. In yet another installment of "if she had done it"
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 04:24 PM
Feb 2017

Can you imagine....
If after all those years of "Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi!" Hillary had decided to act on this village as well, to get a little toughness cred or as a wag the dog from most likely already fomenting impeachment talk. For whatever reasons....

and it had gone just as badly? My gawd they'd blow the roof off with their maniacal screaming vitriol.

Ligyron

(7,637 posts)
14. Most deplorables are HAPPY to have the families and neighbors killed too.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 04:32 PM
Feb 2017

If they were good moose-lambs, they wouldn't live near them turrists.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,020 posts)
19. Basically, the christo-facist & racist streaks in the Republican psyche dehumanize Muslims & browns.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 05:44 PM
Feb 2017

They dehumanize anybody they don't like that isn't white christian, but especially brown skinned Muslim 'furriners'.

It's one of the steps on the road of genocide.

progressoid

(49,992 posts)
21. That's fair and unfair.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 06:33 PM
Feb 2017

It's true we aren't as adept as the GOP and their media machine in getting the word out.

BUT, with trump, there are 3 or 4 outrages a day. It's hard to keep up with his shit-storm. To be fair, I think we are decent job getting the word out about his Russian connections.

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