And movie size bags of popcorn. Ones the size of the Hindenberg.....

You never know when you will want to celebrate!

And especially since the election, the Rose Veuve Cliquet remains untouched.... Waiting till democracy and justice prevails and the crimes of Trump and his Cabal are revealed....

We were ready to pop the cork that fateful night....

But if chump goes down I will go out and buy an expensive bottle to celebrate!

Frankly, I'd rather see Cheeto finish out his (one) term that leave the run of the country to Sir Fetus Funeral.

would be as many BLATANT lies.

It's just that Pence strikes me as a psychopath à la The Stepfather.

His Sunday School teacher act is indeed very convincing, judging from the way the press and people like Angela Merkel treat him. But make no mistake: Pence is a John Bircher, and a really medieval one at that - something straight out of A Handmaid's Tale.

tried to pull to know that he is one scary mofo. He is a True Believer, a Christofascist of the first order. He really lucked out when Dolt 45 chose him because folks in IN can't stand him. His political career would've been over. Now, he's poised to be the next POTUS. I'm not exaggerating when I say that I truly fear for our Constitution & system of government if Pence is sworn in. He believes that the separation of Church and State is NOT in the Constitution and he will do everything in his power (which will be considerable) to turn the United States into a Christian theocracy. He scares the shit out of me because he will seem "so reasonable" and "affable" and agreeable" after President Orange Shitstain. It's all an illusion, of course, because that bastard is evil to the core.

He's fooled a lot of people - particularly our childish press - with his Church Deacon act.

Trump if nothing else is at least an open book who on top of that embarrasses himself practically every day. Pence, on the other hand, is a real chameleon - and that's precisely what makes him so dangerous.

Seems apt.

and just oh my, so glad that the Fuckwad is gone, this next jerk will just be the "well at least he isn't the Fuckwad, and slide right under the smokescreen...

I almost couldn't believe what I was reading. It was like some bizarre "non-science fiction" novel.

In some ways Trump is less dangerous than Pence BECAUSE his lies are so blatant and over-the-top.

Pence will carry out the same policies, but do it in a methodical, orderly manner that implies some sort of competency.

The best criminals, never look the part.

Who knows Pence's hands may be dirty as well...but this guy has got to go. Even if Pence was an equivalent...he knows how to handle a press conference and he's not going to be a daily embarrassment. I also believe he would be in the situation room when there is a situation..unlike this useless piece of garbage that's in office.

"Even if Pence was an equivalent...he knows how to handle a press conference and he's not going to be a daily embarrassment."

The "daily embarrassment" is precisely why there is more scrutiny and suspicions on his policies as well. If Pence is an 'equivalent' then all that would happen under him is that even more draconian and extreme policies may get through because it will be carried out with little or no scrutiny from the MSM, simply because of the appearance of calm efficiency. Definitely you'd have Fox News on board 100%.

etc...out of there period. They are beyond just embarrassing they are even more dangerous than Pence. Especially that Bannon creep. PLUS they are compromised by the Russians so it's not if it's when.

All of the bad (and more, since Pence is a John Bircher); but none of the good - the "good" being that at least Trump is impossible to respect.

It doesn't matter either way I guess; Trump's days in the Oval Office are definitely numbered. It's just a question of how and when.

And at the rate Trump's going, he'll start WWIII with a deranged Twitter rant by the end of March.

...which means that, when it comes to passing his agenda, I doubt you'll be able to count on hordes of deplorables making it clear that anyone who thwarts them will pay dearly for it. I think it would be easier to stymie him based on that alone.

Pence is a politician. That means he has certain expectations of "the rules of the game," having to work through the proper channels, and needing to be able to accept loss gracefully should he come up short on a given issue.

Trump is no politician. He's a corporate boss, accustomed for his will to be unquestioned law. If he finds himself on the losing end, he will go into full denial (witness his obsession with, and rationalizations about, being considered the popular-vote winner) and simply proceed as if he won anyway, crushing his opponents in the process if necessary or even just desirable. That makes him infinitely more dangerous.

Let's put it this way: Pence may try to push through a far-right agenda, but, if blocked by Congress or the courts on any particular point, that will be the end of that point. Whereas Mad King Donald, I'm convinced, would simply overrule Congress or the courts via executive order and defy them to impeach him - and, if they did, refuse to leave office and call out the military to back him via a state of emergency wherein civil liberties and the rule of law itself were suspended indefinitely.

The trade-off is that, with Trump, he may balk at a "true believer" policy bill presented to him by the Ryan-McConnell Congress every now and then, while Pence would be sure to rubber-stamp everything. But, given Trump's volatility and tendency toward autocratic behavior, that's not a trade-off I feel comfortable in taking.

I'm trying to find shreds of silver linings. Like this resistance would never have grown this large so fast without Trump and his his brash, unthoughtout implementation. He is a lightning rod that is waking up a lot of people, probably a lot of young millennials that didn't bother to vote and are now regretting it. Whereas Pence may have just put people to sleep.

Up to his eyeballs?

The John Birchers have dreamt of putting one of their own in the Oval Office since the '50s. This freak would mean the realization of that very ugly dream.

NATO was sizing him up, and they very much like what they heard.

The powers-that-be have finally realized what we on the center-left have been trying to say all along: that Trump is not only a crook and a demagogue but an absolutely loose cannon. Accordingly, they've probably decided to get rid of him - and Pence knows.

All he has to do now is what he's been doing all along: feign loyalty, even friendship, toward Trump until his big day arrives. God help us all.

time dolt 45 goes on vacay.

From now on, someone should keep a close eye on Karen Pence. The giddier she looks, the closer we are to a transfer of power.

Heaven help us.

We'll burn the Mike Pence bridge when we get to it.
Get rid of Trump for our national sanity.
Hate is bad enough but this outrageous hate has a limit to it.

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when they're playing chess - and grand master chess at that.

And you're right: that is, in fact, how all this will probably turn out. The 'king' will be cornered, and whatever pawns of his are left will fall with him.

Unfortunately, the new black king will be even more fundamentalist and reactionary than the current one - and worst of all, unlike this buffoon he'll have the powers that be behind him.

But unless we stop the bleeding on the international and diplomatic front, we will NEVER get that far. Trump goes (and maybe takes Pence and the Majority Leadership Heads with him) and then we can work Domestics.

But I will settle for getting rid of these crackpots one at a time as long as we are getting it done.

And void with every decision by this election being thrown into n he trash plus all the cabinet members and signing statements. If rump is a traitor then all his decisions and choices are tainted. We should not have to accept a madmans decisions.

Or rather, the electoral college votes from MI, PA, and WI (at least) - which should be awarded to Hillary following a thorough federal review of all voting systems used, with stiff prison sentences for anyone caught trying to hide or destroy evidence (as was done against Jill Stein's recount attempts).

I have no doubt that Putin's hacking want far beyond the Clinton campaign or DNC; it should be obvious by now that his people penetrated the vote tabulation systems in those three decisive states if not more.

And with the read-and-write software most of the current electronic vote systems use, it would have been a cinch.

on CSPAN last evening. David Sanger of NYT said Russians had capability
to hack election apparatus "but chose not to". I believe even the news media is covering this up.
I don't believe they chose not to!

That would be like leaving the kitchen with a turkey sandwich on the edge of the countertop, then coming back to find bits and pieces of sandwich all over the place but refusing to believe my Basset Hound had anything to do with it.

Because, you know, he chose not to. Unbelieveable.

Pence is a horror in his own way, but I doubt he'd be likely to either a) start WWIII or b) call out the troops to impose martial law "for the duration" (i.e. indefinitely). And he's clearly less likely to do either in response to getting his widdwe feewings hurt because of not being shown the respect he believes is his due.

There's one other thing about Pence -- he doesn't inspire the sort of populist loyalty that lifted Benedict Donald to his EC victory. Seriously, can you imagine Pence actually running in the general last year and winning? I would think that, should he assume the office, he'd be a lame duck from the start; and congressional Republicans might feel the blowback if they followed his lead too closely.

But it is leftover champagne...from election night.

Like most here, I am still in shock over HRC's loss.

We will drink that champagne yet!

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In Guantanamo, hung or guillotined.

And if so, I would gladly toast to that!

go, Ryan is horrible he is not squeaky clean neither. Remember when Danny Hastert went to prison???

Or three! It's gonna be a helluva party!

that for obvious reasons went unopened. It is still chilling in the frig and if this blows sky high (as has been implied), it will be opened and we will drink every drop!!

That was only about 11 or so years ago and doesn't have much in common with today's situation with TrumpCo.

This situation does seem to have wider acceptance among the high level politicians and a whiff of fear-stink emanating from Republicons that wasn't present when Fitzgerald was investigating Cheney.

So, while there may be a bit more momentum this time than then, I'm not getting exuberant yet.

Even if something really awful came to light, there would still be a lot of maneuvering and procedure and water under the bridge to happen before tRump would be out of office. In that time there could be MIHOP, LIHOP, or wag the dog.

And the Republicon Congress won't be idle gawking. They'll be busy shoveling government strangling nooses in to the hopper.

...twice shy.

I obviously know nothing you don't know.. But the two are not comparable.

... is "in the pipeline" and is the reason tRump has been foaming at the mouth about the media. Seems the Minority President is scared that he doesn't hold the affections of a majority.

Frum's speculation was based on tRump's Friday night attack on the media, but then Frum added the "already confirmed" teaser, which is certainly a sign that gives hope.

I don't want to get my hopes up. I just despise the traitor so much. Not a tidbit of ethics or morality in him. He's a natural born liar. That's all he does.

It wasn't in honor of *****. It's waiting for the day he's gone.

Yes, I know that if it's not from France, it's not strictly champagne. Got it. Thanks.

Also, it's André California Champagne, but the software strips the accent over the "e".

Respected politicians they may be, but they don't do anything without a reason

to happen. I listen to such things. They're very, very interesting, aren't they?

When I watched that movie, it was clear..that ..Deep Throat.kept hinting for the reporters to continue the search..just keep looking, but...

here, we are hearing from people who "know"..just wait,.." and it will become clear..."

my question....When??

Republicans will rat each other out like the mob when it went out of style

"Trump Staffer Grateful To Work With So Many People He Could Turn Over To FBI In Exchange For Immunity"

[link:http://www.theonion.com/article/trump-staffer-grateful-work-so-many-people-he-coul-55321|

most understand what happened and why. In the mean time,Ryan and McConnell are going to dismantle all the Nations Health and Welfare Programs as the Trump Circus preforms in front of the Media and the less expecting.

We are going to see the real GOP wet dream baby.

Committee - he said some comforting words!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8675751

much unclassified as fast as possible. Says we have a right to know now. He said the drip drip drip is starting to sink in (pardon pun) and we need to keep up the pressure; some GOP are starting to say we need to investigate. Public pressure is working, not as fast as we'd like, but working.

I want to know when to set up the DVR

This is a three-day weekend. The journalists are working hard this weekend. Who gets to break this story?

Late Monday night, I think. Watch for the earliest edition of the New York Times or Washington Post. If it's going to break then, you'll be able to find it in the early AM hours of Monday. That gives the morning TV news shows time to blast the story out to folks drinking their first cups of coffee on Tuesday.

If the story's real and true, we'll probably know Tuesday.

them are talking.

Or, they weren't on Friday afternoon after the briefing. That does not mean that they weren't talking yesterday to their favorite journalist, though. It doesn't mean they didn't tell their "trusted" aides what was said. It doesn't mean they didn't share it with a colleague who isn't on that committee, either.

Those folks talk all the time. They tell people things, and those people pass those things on.

It's a very leaky water tank, indeed.

Not, however, like the actual dam breaking because of the invitable death and destruction.

I'll have to fix my 5 Year Planner.

I want them to say that collusion was proven between Russia and Trump to alter the vote counting machines at the source. I want them to say that Russia has bought off the workers at the companies that program the machines some people vote with and that the vote was proven to be false. I want them to throw Trump out on his ass straight into prison.

What I want is not going to happen. I'm afraid we are going to be stuck with this moron 4 years at the least.

Shit or get off the pot, Dems.

Either they've got something or they don't. For weeks we've been chewing on hints and frowny faces after secret meetings. Time for democrats to either show their cards or fold (yet again).

Maybe they're afraid that if it comes out Trump will pardon the whole lot of them? Maybe they're trying to figure out how to avoid that?

Whatever they're doing, I wish they'd hurry up before the entire federal government is dismantled.

nominee into place.

I understand why the Republicans aren't saying anything. I'm wondering why the Democrats won't tell us.

whether it really needs to be or not, and can't be revealed. My thought was that McConnell won't push to declassify until the whole crew of Trump nominees is in place. Just a guess.

we will see lots of republicans out of office.

Hints don't cut it.

So far all I've seen are tweets TO California Rep Maxine Waters.

And even those don't have any details.

Where's the beef?

I mean, I'd love for all this to happen, but I don't like getting my hopes up and then dashed.

Pence is just as bad but not totally insane like Trump.

he's just a dirty piece of shit bigot.

I think that sufficiently advanced evil is basically indistinguishable from insanity. He reminds me that religion has a unique way of
destroying the human intellect...and he is the epitome of that phenomenon.

And they are building him up

Pence could never have won the office, but he may get there anyway.

But I will remain guarded until there is action to back it up. There is so much division and confusion to sift through in order to get to the real deal. When I actually hear there is proof of collusion or impeachment plan, then I will feel better. It's unbelievable how much it is going to take to take him out.

not coming from fringe elements makes it something to pay attention to

Could be the attacks on the press and the #FakeNews campaign are but
inoculation against pending bad news by the Trump White House

Perspective of both sides here very unprecedented, and nothing happens
in a vacuum or without a reason

shocked are we going to be???? We here at DU have been quite astute with certain threads and information coming out constantly with the whole election being stolen, and how the DNC and the RNC have been compromised, the Russians committing cyber attacks on the election, how the filthy trump family have been getting money funneled to them by Russia, how McConnell and Ryan are involved, I am just listing events top of my head. I bet more DU'ers could add more.

I wish the wheels of justice could move a little faster and put them all behind bars.

The deep state has its own agendas and they are not necessarily interested in toppling the whole Orange gang. Pence may have cut a deal or 2, and he's unlikely to remove Sessions or the rest of the Cabinet.

for a trial.

Impeachment should not be off the table.

When you have overwhelming odds on your side, sometimes you don't need to play 5th Dimensional Chess, but can begin a direct assault on their position.

Time to put away the chessboard, time to quit whispering about possible crimes. It is time to act!

that the investigation is ongoing and that Comey wants things kept quiet until he drops the hammer. From what we all have read, it definitely sounds like he delivered to the Senators (and to a group in the House a bit earlier) some definitive, explosive info about Trump, his campaign, and illegal connections to Russia.

I also believe that the actions of Comey earlier this year were a result of mismanagement and not a desire on his part to take sides. I think the mismanagement stemmed from his failure to root out and discipline a dissident group of FBI agents in New York who put him in a can't win situation: They were going to blow the lid off the story (and in fact were in the process of doing so....remember Giuliani's comments), so Comey took actions he felt he was forced to take to somewhat mitigate the negative fallout (at least compared to allowing the New York agents to expose it first).

Obviously, one failing led to a succession of failings, and we have an FBI director thought by a significant percentage of the populace to not only be incompetent, but also that he had partisan motives in the execution of the duties of his non-partisan job.

I posit, as have many others, that Comey realizes this, and would rather be known merely as an incompetent instead of being known as an incompetent partisan. But of course ultimately, you know he hopes that when he honestly blows the lid off the Trump/Russia connection, his reputation will be restored to the greatest extent possible. Let's face it....if he were not moving forward honestly with the investigation, he would not have told Senators and House members all the info that caused such a stir on Capitol Hill.

In fact, I believe that Comey is desperate to handle this investigation in a correct manner, and as a result, clear his name as much as he can. That does not bode well for Trump, because Comey is just as desperate to get to the truth as Trump is to evade it.

Somebody like Wyden could start talking on the floor of the senate. He could release what they know, omitting the source and methods. I believe that when congress is in session, no congress person (senator or house member) can be impugned for anything they say on the floor. It would end up in the congressional records.
They may have to deal with accusations of disclosing classified information but that can probably be fought in courts.