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pnwmom

(108,987 posts)
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:33 PM Feb 2017

How America Lost Faith in Expertise -- and why that's a giant problem.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-states/2017-02-13/how-america-lost-faith-expertise

In 2014, following the Russian invasion of Crimea, The Washington Post published the results of a poll that asked Americans about whether the United States should intervene militarily in Ukraine. Only one in six could identify Ukraine on a map; the median response was off by about 1,800 miles. But this lack of knowledge did not stop people from expressing pointed views. In fact, the respondents favored intervention in direct proportion to their ignorance. Put another way, the people who thought Ukraine was located in Latin America or Australia were the most enthusiastic about using military force there.

The following year, Public Policy Polling asked a broad sample of Democratic and Republican primary voters whether they would support bombing Agrabah. Nearly a third of Republican respondents said they would, versus 13 percent who opposed the idea. Democratic preferences were roughly reversed; 36 percent were opposed, and 19 percent were in favor. Agrabah doesn’t exist. It’s the fictional country in the 1992 Disney film Aladdin. Liberals crowed that the poll showed Republicans’ aggressive tendencies. Conservatives countered that it showed Democrats’ reflexive pacifism. Experts in national security couldn’t fail to notice that 43 percent of Republicans and 55 percent of Democrats polled had an actual, defined view on bombing a place in a cartoon.

Increasingly, incidents like this are the norm rather than the exception. It’s not just that people don’t know a lot about science or politics or geography. They don’t, but that’s an old problem. The bigger concern today is that Americans have reached a point where ignorance—at least regarding what is generally considered established knowledge in public policy—is seen as an actual virtue. To reject the advice of experts is to assert autonomy, a way for Americans to demonstrate their independence from nefarious elites—and insulate their increasingly fragile egos from ever being told they’re wrong.

This isn’t the same thing as the traditional American distaste for intellectuals and know-it-alls.

SNIP
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How America Lost Faith in Expertise -- and why that's a giant problem. (Original Post) pnwmom Feb 2017 OP
It is somewhat rare to find many people with much knowledge of Canada or Mexico. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #1
Canadians know more about US government Johnny2X2X Feb 2017 #2
Agreed. And many Canadians know much more about US/Canadian guillaumeb Feb 2017 #5
This is how democracy ends. yardwork Feb 2017 #3
I've felt this happening for some time - and it is terrifying. NRaleighLiberal Feb 2017 #4
yeah, we have gone from- my completely uniformed opinion is just as good mopinko Feb 2017 #6

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. It is somewhat rare to find many people with much knowledge of Canada or Mexico.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:39 PM
Feb 2017

Americans generally know that the US borders the 2 countries, but knowledge about the politics of those countries, or the actual history of US relations with those countries, is minimal at best.

Recommended.

Johnny2X2X

(19,082 posts)
2. Canadians know more about US government
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:43 PM
Feb 2017

Last edited Sun Feb 19, 2017, 08:28 PM - Edit history (1)

The average Canadian knows more about the functions of the American Government than your average American.

My Canadian friends keep asking me on Facebook if they should be concerned. I tell them yes, Trump is a danger to them.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,016 posts)
4. I've felt this happening for some time - and it is terrifying.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:56 PM
Feb 2017

I am sure that a lot of trump supporters take some weird pride in their ignorance - they themselves are so apathetic or intellectually lazy that they can't conceive of actually engaging their brain and figuring something out.

Terrifying.

mopinko

(70,155 posts)
6. yeah, we have gone from- my completely uniformed opinion is just as good
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 08:48 PM
Feb 2017

as your deeply informed opinion that i dont agree w to- my completely uniformed opinion is better than your deeply informed opinion. my ignorance shields me from fake information. my opinion is therefore that much more valid.

yeah, we have crossed a bad line.

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