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http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2017/02/22/arizona-senate-crackdown-on-protests/Claiming people are being paid to riot, Republican state senators voted Wednesday to give police new power to arrest anyone who is involved in a peaceful demonstration that may turn bad even before anything actually happened.
SB1142 expands the states racketeering laws, now aimed at organized crime, to also include rioting. And it redefines what constitutes rioting to include actions that result in damage to the property of others.
But the real heart of the legislation is what Democrats say is the guilt by association and giving the government the right to criminally prosecute and seize the assets of everyone who planned a protest and everyone who participated. And whats worse, said Sen. Steve Farley, D-Tucson, is that the person who may have broken a window, triggering the claim there was a riot, might actually not be a member of the group but someone from the other side.
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But Sen. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills, said that chilling effect is aimed at a very specific group of protesters.
You now have a situation where you have full-time, almost professional agent-provocateurs that attempt to create public disorder, he said.
A lot of them are ideologues, some of them are anarchists, Kavanagh continued. But this stuff is all planned.
Theres something else: By including rioting in racketeering laws, it actually permits police to arrest those who are planning events. And Kavanagh, a former police officer, said if there are organized groups, I should certainly hope that our law enforcement people have some undercover people there.
Wouldnt you rather stop a riot before it starts? Kavanagh asked colleagues during debate. Do you really want to wait until people are injuring each other, throwing Molotov cocktails, picking up barricades and smashing them through businesses in downtown Phoenix?
milestogo
(16,829 posts)If you arrest people before they commit a crime, doesn't that mean you have to arrest everyone - since we all might commit murder?
triron
(22,020 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Apparently Rep. Kavanagh doesn't remember (or hopes we don't remember) these folks, who were bused in and provided with pre-printed signs by a well-heeled benefactor:
Check out the logo above the rear wheels of the bus. Would Kavanagh's unconstitutional bill punish these folks, as well? If not, why not?
Lanius
(601 posts)And how are we to know the "anarchists" and "provocateurs" aren't undercover cops who are there to incite violence?
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)Cha
(297,660 posts)filthy fascist AZ lawmakers.
Fucking protests can be organized you scared idiots.
AJT
(5,240 posts)Get in touch with them ASAP if this passes.
My god the GOP are all fascist.
moondust
(20,006 posts)where lawmakers decriminalized some acts of corruption (which they later had to reverse after massive protests).
lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)King George's troops will not allow any dissent.
herding cats
(19,567 posts)Good luck with this state lawmakers. You're about to meet the judicial branch up close and in person - not unlike Trump recently did - if this passes.
Pro tip: just because you're called a "lawmaker" doesn't mean you're above the law. You are not gods, and you still have checks and balances, not to mention constituents to answer to.
Now, grow up and actually focus on things your state needs, m'kay?
Midnight Writer
(21,801 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)You can protest on private property permit free. Cities require permits for public areas because they have to adjust traffic or close off other public areas from use by others. An example is the permit will allow a park to be used by separate groups at different times for events like weddings, birthdays, or protests.
The right to assembly protects the right of free association and allows groups to meet for worship, discussion, politics, hobbies, etc without government interference. Normally, thus done permit free as these are done in private spaces or with permission of a landowner. An example is a scout troop meeting in a church because the church allows them access. A birthday in a backyard or party is another example.
So they can obviously see the reasons for restrictions and permits, since you don't see that side throwing a stinking fit about them for the 1st. There's the point.
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)It's not an equal comparison. There is no right to block a city street without prior agreement from the city. The permits are not a restriction on the right of free assembly; free assembly is the right for groups of people to congregate without the government interfering in non-public spaces. It comes out of restrictions that were imposed to stop people meeting up in bars and churches, etc to discuss ideas that the government didn't want them to express, like independence from the empire.
sheshe2
(83,901 posts)askyagerz
(776 posts)They are running out of excuses and we have them against the ropes...
Initech
(100,102 posts)They can't stand to be told they're wrong, and they're not used to hearing no, so they take out the competition. Fucking psychopaths.
LittleGirl
(8,291 posts)world wide wally
(21,755 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,630 posts)murielm99
(30,764 posts)Then there would be some paid protesters.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)....and then for the democrats. And then for.....
Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)and Trump has put it into overdrive.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)luvMIdog
(2,533 posts)The republican law makers are sickening!
NBachers
(17,136 posts)If you're so dead-set against racketeering, douchebag, the republican party is the worst Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organization in this nation's history.
Put yourself in prison, maggot.
SunSeeker
(51,699 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Canoe52
(2,949 posts)I think the strongest thing I saw at our local women's march was filtered water in a stainless steel eco thermos.
Now those donuts that people are bringing to protests, gotta watch out for those!
dry99
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NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)This is utterly outrageous, and deserves to get crushed by the SC.
onethatcares
(16,185 posts)the box on an employment app that asks: Were you ever arrested.
Then you have to bring out the 35 glossy photographs, etc.
Why am I not surprised it's a former LEO that wants this?
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Amongst other things, he's responsible for gutting higher ed in 2008.
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,474 posts)so much taxpayer money trying to defend this crap?
Lanius
(601 posts)and if it fails in the lower courts they usually hope for it to be kicked up to the Supreme Court, which will end up being conservative. Just like with anti-abortion laws, it this fails in the courts some other state will come up with similar legislation.
DFW
(54,437 posts)And to think that just this morning, Nicholas Kristof wrote an editorial saying that Trump voters were not our enemies.
That's like saying that Jefferson Davis wasn't Lincoln's enemy. Maybe not, but a Civil War ensued nonetheless.