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President Donald Trump on Tuesday dodged responsibility for a botched mission he ordered in Yemen last month, placing the onus on the military and Barack Obamas administration instead.
Bill Owens, the father of Chief Petty Officer William Ryan Owens, the Navy SEAL who died in the operation, demanded an investigation into his sons death over the weekend. Owens further revealed he couldnt bear to meet Trump at the airport as Ryans casket was carried off the military plane last month.
Asked about the matter during an interview with Fox News Fox n Friends, Trump repeatedly said they were responsible for the outcome of the mission, in reference to the military.
This was a mission that was started before I got here. This was something they wanted to do, he said. They came to me, they explained what they wanted to do ― the generals ― who are very respected, my generals are the most respected that weve had in many decades, I believe. And they lost Ryan.
I can understand people saying that. Id feel ― Whats worse? Theres nothing worse, he added. This was something that they were looking at for a long time doing, and according to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis it was a very successful mission. They got tremendous amounts of information.
read: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ryan-owens-seal-raid_us_58b58852e4b0780bac2d58c6?l4u6jemi
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Sunlei
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Sunlei
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5th day in the big chair and MR TRUMP KILLS AND WOUNDS 100 PEOPLE INCLUDING INFANTS http://demu.gr/10028721648 via @demunderground
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,032 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)You greenlighted this operation. The generals did not. You own this. After a campaign of blaming "her" (HRC) and "him" (Obama), turn that tiny index finger around and point it at yourself, you egotistical, brainless waste of skin.
briv1016
(1,570 posts)Shoonra
(523 posts)There was, almost fifty years ago, a novel, supposedly highly imaginative, titled "Night of Camp David", about dealing with a President who becomes nuts. So far nothing about a President who starts out nuts and is surrounded by enablers and sycophants.
lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)Fuck him all to hell. I've had just about all I can take from this idiot narcissist.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)FSogol
(45,515 posts)We'll wait.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)angrychair
(8,732 posts)The most respected generals....military 's fault...mission started before I got here...got it.
Sorry republican45, you dont get to blame someone else for a mission you gave the go ahead for...it is your fault and blaming other people makes you a liar and a coward.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Those of us he doesn't sexually assault or imprison, that is.
dhill926
(16,351 posts)would support this shitstain after this....
oasis
(49,398 posts)Trump is so quick to point the finger. Piss poor leader. But then, he's the loser the majority of voters expected him to be.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)unblock
(52,288 posts)and again, a case study in bad management.
presidents throughout history have had missions go awry, you simply say it's a tragedy and extend condolences and declare the fallen heroes. no need to throw anyone under the bus.
yet the dysfunction-in-chief can't help himself, he has to try to deflect blame from himself.
quite a contrast from truman's "the buck stops here."
BSdetect
(8,998 posts)Initech
(100,097 posts)That raid was ill advised from the beginning! And now he's throwing the military we elected him to lead under the bus! Everyone should take a knee at next year's Army - Navy game. Holy shit!
demmiblue
(36,875 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)that means, it is YOUR responsibility as the leader of the military.
spanone
(135,858 posts)Mc Mike
(9,115 posts)That's what his shitty little reality tv show was about, all the time. Him 'firing' the underlings.
6 bankruptcies, and he never got fired.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,574 posts)Last edited Tue Feb 28, 2017, 10:24 PM - Edit history (3)
Someone out there knows who is the youngest person of flag rank; that is, who made general or admiral the fastest. I'm not going to look it up, but wouldn't you suppose that a general or admiral has been in for thirty years minimum, give or take? Which means Reagan or Bush was in office when he showed up for ROTC or OCS, maybe Clinton for the youngest of the lot.
How this makes them "my" generals, I cannot begin to imagine.
As I was told about a hundred years ago in boot camp, you can delegate authority, but you can't delegate responsibility. This is a lesson that will be written in blood. It won't be *****'s blood either.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)most of the time. It's a national embarrassment to have such doofus in the White House in so many ways. His supporters don't care, though. As long as he makes noises that, however cavemanishly, support their biases, they're behind him all the way.
WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)That narcissist in chief thinks that he's oh so much smarter than everyone else and that cost the lives of all those people, some just children and babies. It cost the life of this brave soldier who did his duty, TRUSTING that his CIC knew what he was doing, and the fact is that his CIC Trump didn't have a flocking clue but ran with a crappy plan anyway... pfft!
Trump is a classic narcissist and bully who will never accept that anything is his fault. The fault will always lie with someone else and he will deflect, project and lie until the day he dies. What we're already seeing is that this type of attitude doesn't attract or keep loyal people once they figure out that they could be the next one thrown under the bus by the Blamer in Chief.
DK504
(3,847 posts)to begin a true push back against this traitor?
Doodley
(9,119 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,015 posts)What a fuckface.
I hope the military takes good notice what a weasel their Chief is.
Gothmog
(145,486 posts)GusBob
(7,286 posts)lost in here in translation.....Obamas Generals, who are somehow not worthy of respect, planned the mission, but your Generals whom are like the most respected ever in the history of respect, fucked it up?
Is that what he is saying?
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I have never hated anyone so much in my life, and that's saying something.
Aviation Pro
(12,181 posts)Yeah, that's good, you fucking asswipe, alienate the SEAL community.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)as having good intel that this mission WAS NOT executable. This current administration wanted to prove him wrong and killed and wounded, among others, babies. This POS admin led by this terrible triumvirate is a huge disaster just waiting to happen
ffr
(22,671 posts)What a shameless coward tRump has turned out to be.
Could you imagine 1941 Pearl Harbor under this guy? "You military people are a terrible disgrace! I could defeat the Japanese in a month."
Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)His last days in the bunker, Adolph too blamed his Generals for his failures.
Javaman
(62,532 posts)everyone is against him.
the press lies about him.
he's great at everything and somethings that don't exist.
he's the blameless god of all things insane.
Freethinker65
(10,033 posts)Ilsa
(61,697 posts)They need to know, if they don't already, the little shit who is their CiC.
I won't be surprised if one of them turns on him.
meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)First - that this mission was shit and we lost a Navy SEAL as well as many civilians.
And
Second - a president is taking not responsibility and showing no remorse just trying to deflect blame.
What if this happened and Hillary was president? Good God they would be circling the White House with their guns and chanting "Lock Her Up" or worse.
I am so tired this asshole getting a pass from his cult of followers. This is disgusting and my heart hurts for the family of that SEAL
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)Around here, military families just love them some trump.
meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)I have a friend from high school whose son is in the military. Maybe career, I don't know. But he's been deployed a few times and they all just love Trump.
I just don't get it. I just don't
Solly Mack
(90,779 posts)niyad
(113,519 posts)days in may" if you are going to keep insulting the military.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)On 21 April, in a State Department press conference, President Kennedy said: "There's an old saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan ... Further statements, detailed discussions, are not to conceal responsibility because I'm the responsible officer of the Government ..."[160]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion#Kennedy.27s_operational_approval
This was a much larger, CIA planned action that Eisenhower had approved funding for developing the plan. Yet, decisions to go ahead with things are made by the President -- and when they go wrong, they need to take responsibility.
With Trump, he has even exaggerated what Obama did -- and he somehow seems to suggest that "his generals" are completely seperate from the generals in place on January 19!
gordianot
(15,242 posts)Trump shows he is unfit for Command.
uponit7771
(90,353 posts)LudwigPastorius
(9,164 posts)Trump is a typical narcissistic, trust fund baby who has never had to take responsibility for anything in his life.
calimary
(81,425 posts)democrank
(11,100 posts)Then, he lies his ass off by saying the mission started before he became Commander in Chief. Like he couldn't stop it, which he could because he had the final say.
The truth is hard to come by in Comrade Trump's administration, but perhaps one day we'll find out whether or not we got a "tremendous amount" of information during that raid.
Submariner
(12,506 posts)is a lying sack of crap. Please have a KFC-induced stroke and die mid-sentence tonight. Please.
lark
(23,147 posts)You could have stopped at word 7 and told the whole truth - he never accepts responsibility for his own acts, never! Fault always lies with someone else since he's so fucking bigly outstanding!
What a freaking baby, trying to pin this on Obama. Obama was smart enough to say no, not enough information. Drumpf is the idiot who got this man killed for his own ego and then continues to lie about the results. There was nothing gained. The drivel they put out as new information is actually 10 years old.
Drumpf is a total incompetent and failure. Goddess please help our country survive this nightmare!
CrispyQ
(36,497 posts)That mighty military you want to build might just come after you, asshole.
perdita9
(1,144 posts)He's a petulant child and he disgraces the office of the presidency every day
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,428 posts)or will they just not care- even though Republicans shrieked like banshees for 4 years over Benghazi and Trump exploited it for political gain at the RNC last year?
gopiscrap
(23,763 posts)Docreed2003
(16,869 posts)You can bet your ass that Trump would be taking full credit for the raid if it had succeeded in taking out its target.
This fucktard doesn't even have the decency to show a shred of empathy over the death of this sailor. Just pass the buck, "not my problem...."
IronLionZion
(45,506 posts)I guess the buck stops somewhere else now. What exactly is he responsible for?
They don't make presidents like they used to. Dipshit is a national disgrace. How can any military people still support him after he throws them under the bus?
Turbineguy
(37,362 posts)"Having supreme command of the language, I kept my big mouth shut!"
He needs a version of "Does this make my ass look big?" And somebody to tell him, "it sure does!"
When you're the president you can have an opinion on anything. But you can STFU about it too.
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)First off, they're the same generals that were there before, generally. Aren't they? Why would they suddenly be any more or less respected?
Secondly, what a back-handed compliment: "these guys are great cuz they're my guys... But they fucked all this up."
Too bad for Ryan that his Commander in Chief only respects heroes who live.
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vlyons
(10,252 posts)I guess Traitor Trump forgot that he's supposed to be the CIC, which - ya know - makes him in the military. Meanwhile, back to Bengazi ...
Moral Compass
(1,524 posts)There are certain things that you just don't do. And this is one of them. It seems like Trump has developed an expertise at doing things that are not ever done. He seems to be getting away with them. But I think that the damage is incremental and slow. His approval ratings are going to continue to go down and down and down and down.
I would like to ask a nephew of mine, whom I know voted for Trump, what he thinks of this latest out rage. He has already expressed some discomfort with the notion of repealing Obamacare without a replacement. I wonder what he feels when their commander-in-chief of our military blames I casualty on the military itself.
Once you have offended the intelligence community and the military you've subtracted a sizable chunk a his base. Can he then recover? He's somehow remained unscathed when he's done other things that just aren't done.
Unfortunately, we'll have to wait and see.
JawJaw
(722 posts)The Deplorables will ALWAYS say it was OBAMA's mission, not matter how clearly you explain to them that it wasn't.
RW media is extremely and dangerously skilled in brainwashing these people.
tblue37
(65,477 posts)guts to OK the mission.
http://thegrio.com/2017/02/08/trump-launched-raid-after-told-obama-wouldnt-have-been-bold-enough/
According to an anonymous official speaking to NBC News, the president ordered the raid after being told by Defense Secretary James Mattis and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Joseph Dunford that it would be a game changer if the raid was successful. Trump was also told that his predecessor, Barack Obama, would not have been bold enough to make the move, prompting the president to take action.
JDC
(10,130 posts)tclambert
(11,087 posts)Martin Eden
(12,874 posts)That is the central TRUTH of this administration.
Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)(I know the Navy does not have privates, but someone had to say it)
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)IIRC these were the worst generals in the history of mankind when Obama was president. Did he whip some of that discipline he got beat into him after Fred Trump shipped him off to military school into those slacker generals and turn them lean and mean?
catbyte
(34,425 posts)And those fucking, vile, evil, despicable Republicans will let him get away with it.
Words fail to convey the depth of contempt, loathing, and hatred I have for these worthless, treasonous pieces of shit.
I wish I believed in hell because every last one of them deserve to burn in it.
keithbvadu2
(36,871 posts)A success of such epic proportions that his administration bragged about a video that they captured that had been available on the internet for many years.