Imagine if McCain and GRaham, together, came out in strong opposition to fuckface.

the way he did in that article.

He was fired from a conservative think tank for speaking out during W's admin and has been fairly vocal since.

a consistent and vocal opponent.

in the Obama Care legislative process. He warned them about the Conservative Media Industry - that the GOP goals and those of Fox New (to make $$) and that is was starting to seem as though the GOP on the Hill worked for Fox News. This was back in 2011-2012. I think he fully jumped off the band wagon by around 2012. He's grown on me. Sort of like Andrew Sullivan who I couldn't stand in the 90s and much of the aughts.

that there are still moderate, sensible conservatives, and neocon conservatives if he is one, who did not vote for Trump and who do oppose him.

We need to respect that these people exist, ally with them, and absolutely not shoot at them.

...paved he road for Kremlin Don. Conservatives have spent decades -- the span of Frum's entire career -- cultivating Donnie's base of support.

Not saying to constantly foam at him, but never let Dr. Frankenstein pretend he didn't make the creature.

Elizabeth Warren or John Dean. They came over to our side. Maybe Frum should be considered an ally, too. After all, we are trying to turn people like Mccain and Graham, and looking for a few more patriots on the other side. We should be wary, but accepting of help.

I'm not sending up warning flares over every Republican and former Republican who criticizes Trump.

Dean's had the experience of being made a scapegoat for Watergate and for a good quarter century has been criticizing the very dynamics that made Trump the top Republican. At the very least, he's mostly out to pasture.

Was Warren ever an actual conservative? Or just someone who was raised Republican, defaulted to it because that was normal for her, and shifted away when reality kept piling up against assumptions. It didn't happen overnight, but it happened.

Frum is a different critter altogether: He's still a conservative partisan, the type that likes to think of themselves as "real" conservatives. The type who thinks conservative successes over the past 40 years have been about the rightness of their ideas, that Trump is some sort of interloper who hijacked their movement.

The kind that can't acknowledge that those successes always depended on people who didn't care about "conservative ideals" but would vote for people who told them what they wanted to hear and pointed bile in the right direction.

Frum's entire career as political analyst and speechwriter has been in 90s and afterward, after conservatives decided the way to deal with Democrats who might, even partially, roll back conservative positions on taxes ad regulations was relentless attack. Everything was justified in painting them as criminals who needed to be brought down and expunged from the body politic. And to do all that, they relied ever-more heavily on bile and axe-grinding.

Dean was around when they started down the slippery slope with the Southern Strategy, but got off the road. Frum was there to watch his team replace the slope with a water slide, but thinks the problem is with the people riding the slide, not the ones who built it. McCain and Graham, despite all their problems, are at least working elected politicians. Frum, on the other hand, doesn't have any voters to answer to.

All I'm saying is that it's fine to use his stuff where it can be effective, but don't think Frum is an ally just because he's lobbing shots at the same target.

Prosecutor, we may be fucked as far as formal investigations, like the FBI (what a joke), Senate and House. There may be some hope for McCain and Graham. They seem to.be some of the few who are not up to their chin in the Russian coverup. However, DT has been trying to smooze McCain w a bigger military budget. McCain knows if he pisses off DT, he will punisb him.

Sorry, but I see, MF Snakes on the Plane, here.
TG for our press!!!

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It was Klaus Fuchs who admitted to giving the USSR the secrets of the bomb...he waited to admit this until after the Rosenbergs were dead.

Otherwise, terrifyingly insightful.

But not Ethel. And IIRC, the government knew Ethel wasn't.

Fuchs stole them.

The Rosenberg passed them on. Well Elthel didn't. Her husband did, she was collateral damage. Which is a damn shame, and a black eye on this country.

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probably on the level of spy busywork, but there's no real evidence Julius played any real role in the Soviets gaining the ability to built atomic OR hydrogen bombs-and in any case, the USSR was certain to develop nuclear and hydrogen weapon capability sooner rather than later. According to Hans Bethe, the secrets Fuchs gave the USSR meant that they were able to develop the bomb in five years rather than four. How much difference could one year possibly have made? It's not as though the USSR would have fallen in that time, or that the East European satellite states would have collapsed.


If Julius had played a significant role in nuclear OR hydrogen espionage, they government would not have been offering, right up to the hour before the executions, to spare them both if only the couple agreed to give them names.

No country would offer to cut that kind of a deal with people they knew to be guilty of giving their most-feared enemy that kind of a secret.

be exonerated. The government wanted them dead, b4 the wind changed.

as the atomic bomb in terms of damage.

The NSA has had leakers for a while. It wasn't just Snowden.

It's probably partly due to the amount of money Russia has to throw around.

And probably also white supremacists and partly American oligarchs and their political lackies who want to finally rid themselves of any restraints or regulations by any nation state.

When I stop and think about this, the despair overwhelms. All I can do is keep going don't stop. Marches, voice, words anything I can.

The Elders at Oceti Sakowin warned of this despair and advised us to connect with each other, among other things.

I know I won't be silenced. Thank you for sharing this.


A'Ho

sage

Thought i would get over it enough to move on, but with the government being dismantled, and something catastrophic every few days, it is continual bombing. Yes, broken hearted

He hit the nail on the head. I believe he is a huge money laundering organization for the russians.

He can't release his taxes willfully.

Mr Frum's tweet #4 sum up my beliefs about pRezident dRumpf and the GOP. It goes back to what I have been saying, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. The GOP would back the devil in order to get to their form/style of government. What ever it takes. They are against our norms and institutions in order win. Against a majority of the citizens able to vote.

I am a loyal American, in opposition to pRezident dRumpf and any GOP leming following him.

I was surprised to hear him speaking so seriously to Matt Lauer on NBC this week about his concerns about free press being bedrock of our democracy and specifically because a President can be corrupted by their power making freedom of press so important. They also discussed Bush having told Putin that he should allow freedom of press in Russia.

Another Repub speaking out was Mark Sanford, R in Congress from S.C. who said on CNN today how much he is appalled by Trump's praise of Putin since Putin is a murderous dictator whose fingerprints are all over murders, etc.

Senior Bush was a director of the CIA. He must still have contacts. They have never liked Trump.

I think maybe Dubya was just sticking his toe in the water to see the temperature. How will outright dissent be greeted?

The Bushes are still republicans, and greedy people. But maybe they know enough not to want our system destroyed.

I'm scared. Really.

saying in other posts. The majority of the Pukes are now PUTIN PUBLICANS and are complicit in treason with Putin's Puppet Trumpski.

Love your user name! My dad was a Vietnam Era Green Beret involved in special and black ops. The 1980's version - I remember watching with him years ago and him stating: That's a brilliant way to invade.

I went to his twitter site only to see the most amazing series of tweets
ending with a nod to the murder of Thomas Becket (after Henry II cries
to his Barons: Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?)

https://twitter.com/davidfrum

Frum: That’s why constitutional presidents measure their words. If they talk lawlessly, they may discover they’ve inspired lawless action.

Nm

and live there in peace and anonymity.

K&R

We cannot be silenced, we need to stay out there. Plus this Russian thing is not going away.

majority, in two years max, trump will be forced by the house to reveal his returns, or face certain impeachment

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I've sure been thinking what you said. Only less articulate:

Geeeeeeeezuss. H. Kkkrist, for godssake! Fuuuuckk!

"nobody else will save the country if you don’t act yourself."

Is it a collective action or an IC thing?

Link to tweet

Now I need to see who is Lawrence Tribe.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Good find, Cha! Thanks!

3) In order to protect himself, Trump must attack American norms and institutions - otherwise he faces fathomless legal risk

How does turning American norms and institutions upside down protect Trump from legal risk? What are they referring to?
Trump faces legal risk if he doesn't deport foreigners, trash the environment, shrink the government???

Then they out him and he goes down.

He's being blackmailed.

only the pee contest and the idea that he's heavily indebted to some Russian banks and oligarchs

Wonder what it could be? Must be something BIGLY YUUUUGE

agenda too? He is not hiding his agenda at all. I hate these dangerous men.

His rundown is dead on and I salute him...........however in the past he has taken some beyond wacky positions against Obama and the left................he seems to have found religion. Hes right about one thing............without the leakers we would have no defense...........the flaws in our checks and balances system have been exposed

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These people are slimeballs. How dare they? This country belongs to all of us.

they don't think the country does, it's that 1%. And those who voted for this POS they are in for a rude awakening. Also this regime/cabal has no respect for the American people.

the only thing that can reliably defend us is millions of feet in the street. We should be organizing the next huge march on Washington now. Waiting for the press, the courts, and the politicians is suicide.