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DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 05:49 PM Mar 2017

An insider's view: the dark rigidity of fundamentalist rural america

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/rural-america-understanding-isnt-problem

"As the aftermath of the election of Donald Trump is being sorted out, a common theme keeps cropping up from all sides: "Democrats failed to understand white, working-class, fly-over America.”

Trump supporters are saying this. Progressive pundits are saying this. Talking heads across all forms of the media are saying this. Even some Democratic leaders are saying this. It doesn’t matter how many people say it, it is complete BS. It is an intellectual/linguistic sleight of hand meant to draw attention away from the real problem. The real problem isn’t East Coast elites who don’t understand or care about rural America. The real problem is that rural Americans don't understand the causes of their own situations and fears and they have shown no interest in finding out."
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An insider's view: the dark rigidity of fundamentalist rural america (Original Post) DonCoquixote Mar 2017 OP
'Heart of Darkness' tribalism. yallerdawg Mar 2017 #1
"The real problem is PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2017 #2
Obama got it right when he said: procon Mar 2017 #3
It is complete BS and never fails to disgust. Hortensis Mar 2017 #4
As a person Chiquitita Mar 2017 #5
I have lived in California my entire life nocalflea Mar 2017 #10
trump is on teevee and SAYS he is RICH. big heap bisness man. pansypoo53219 Mar 2017 #6
THIS hatrack Mar 2017 #7
You know what is wrong with "fly-over" America? Right wing hate radio. Vinca Mar 2017 #8
Blame everyone else for your situation superpatriotman Mar 2017 #9
The majority of Trump voters I meet are fundamentalist Christians of various stripes. hunter Mar 2017 #11
They've been told this relentlessly for over 40 years GliderGuider Mar 2017 #12
There is a reason fundamentalists everywhere start their own communities alarimer Mar 2017 #13

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
1. 'Heart of Darkness' tribalism.
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 05:57 PM
Mar 2017

We won't be piercing this 'bubble.'

Gays being allowed to marry are a threat. Blacks protesting the killing of their unarmed friends and family are a threat. Hispanics doing the cheap labor on their farms are somehow viewed a threat. The black president is a threat. Two billion Muslims are a threat. The Chinese are a threat. Women wanting to be autonomous are a threat. The college educated are a threat. Godless scientists are a threat. Everyone who isn’t just like them has been sold to them as a threat and they’ve bought it hook, line and grifting sinker...

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,895 posts)
2. "The real problem is
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 06:07 PM
Mar 2017

that rural Americans don't understand the causes of their own situations and fears and they have shown no interest in finding out."

That is heartbreakingly true.

procon

(15,805 posts)
3. Obama got it right when he said:
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 06:10 PM
Mar 2017

"They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Truth.

That lot hasn't bothered to move the needle in decades and now they're gripping about being passed over.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. It is complete BS and never fails to disgust.
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 06:11 PM
Mar 2017

As a pragmatist understanding the need to sometimes just do what works, I won't cross a politician completely off the list just for (briefly) spouting this garbage, but it puts a HUGE question mark and frowny face by his name.

Chiquitita

(752 posts)
5. As a person
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 07:40 PM
Mar 2017

Born in rural Wisconsin, the term "fly over country" sounds demeaning, even if it is true that where I grew up is no ones destination. Extraction of wealth from these areas after the stealing of the land from Native nations-- deforestation, mining, big agribusiness--contributed to the glory and wealth of the cities.

I agree with president Obama's characterization and with the point of your post. But Personally the "fly over" dig really rankles, and reduces the complexity of the historical ethnic and economic relationships between the "desirable" and "undesirable" destinations in our country.

nocalflea

(1,387 posts)
10. I have lived in California my entire life
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 10:04 AM
Mar 2017

and I agree . I resent that phrase and I grew up 20 miles from the Pacific.It is totally elitist and totally disrepectful. People who use this line are unthinking,insecure, jackasses..

pansypoo53219

(20,995 posts)
6. trump is on teevee and SAYS he is RICH. big heap bisness man.
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 10:03 PM
Mar 2017

and he talks just like me! and he hates obama. i HATE obama. I HATE THE CLINTONS. 30+ years of MEDIA BRAINWASHINGING. huzah!

hatrack

(59,592 posts)
7. THIS
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 09:05 AM
Mar 2017

I grew up in this, in a small town that's home to one hell of a lot more peeling paint and payday loan stores than in years past. It's still doing OK, thanks largely to the presence of lots of edumucated kids at the local university.

Go half an hour east, to the next county seat over, and what was a thriving town (manufacturing, railroad division point) is really getting scabby and run down. Count the meth arrests, count the Trump/Pence signs - plenty of both.

Vinca

(50,303 posts)
8. You know what is wrong with "fly-over" America? Right wing hate radio.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 09:07 AM
Mar 2017

There are parts of this country where that's all there is to listen to. It's like brain washing.

hunter

(38,326 posts)
11. The majority of Trump voters I meet are fundamentalist Christians of various stripes.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 11:11 AM
Mar 2017

And it's not just the stereotypical confederate state protestants who used the Bible to argue that God found slavery acceptable, but also self-identified "conservative" Lutheran, Catholic, Mormons, etc.. What they all have in common is that anti-intellectualism is essential to their faith. The Republican Party has learned how to play these people.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
12. They've been told this relentlessly for over 40 years
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 11:25 AM
Mar 2017

The RW radio propaganda has been driving their views relentlessly, 24/7 for almost 50 years. That's a generation and a half hearing nothing but the monolithic message of threat, fear and scapegoating. As a result of this psychic driving, their understanding of the world is more warped and one-sided than a Scientologist or a Moonie.

They were continuously force-fed this toxic worldview for decade after decade, and it has literally changed their thought patterns. They are incapable of seeing the world we see. And now we blame them for not being able to wake themselves up.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
13. There is a reason fundamentalists everywhere start their own communities
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 11:57 AM
Mar 2017

It isn't limited to Christians, either. You see in all the most regressive offshoots of every world religion. They want to indoctrinate their kids because it's the only way to keep them in their kooky religion.

And, in a more mainstream way, so do these rural areas. If the kids go off to college and learn something, they will also learn that there is nothing for them back in their small town. It is an age-old story, the subject of literature and movies since they began.

The exception might be college towns with their concentration of educated people.

These towns also know that higher education tends to make people more liberal, not less. They go to college and they might learn that gay people are not, in fact, demons.

But, while I tend to agree that rural America is its own bubble, not every town everywhere is like this. There are plenty of exceptions and those are usually places with universities, or with close to other, larger cities that serve as bedroom communities.

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