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kpete

(71,997 posts)
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 09:38 AM Mar 2017

Maddow: "Operation had been conducted w-full knowledge of Trump & Sr members of his campaign team"

Forget all the salacious personal stuff. Forget all the stuff that made the White House so mad when this was published. The bottom line of this dossier, the bottom line allegation, the point of it is that the Trump campaign didn’t just benefit from Russia interfering in our presidential campaign. The point of this is that they colluded, they helped, they were in on it. The money quote from this dossier is, “The operation had been conducted with the full knowledge of Trump and senior members of his campaign team.” That’s basically what this whole dossier alleges – that the Trump folks were in on it. There were multiple people close to Trump, involved in the Trump campaign, who were in contact with the Russian government about the Russian government’s attacks on Hillary Clinton, while those attacks were happening, while Russia was waging these attacks. Overall, yes, we still have to describe this as a sheaf of uncorroborated allegations, but little pieces supporting that bottom line thesis really do keep falling in line.



VIDEO & MORE:
http://www.politicususa.com/2017/03/07/maddow-drops-reality-check-trump-russia-collusion-increasingly.html
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Maddow: "Operation had been conducted w-full knowledge of Trump & Sr members of his campaign team" (Original Post) kpete Mar 2017 OP
Gang crimes are group activities dalton99a Mar 2017 #1
Manafort, Flynn, Lewandowsky, Kushner... Roland99 Mar 2017 #2
Or Ollie North and Iran/Contragate & before that Reagan team urging delay of Irans hostage release Tom Rinaldo Mar 2017 #4
Thanks Tom saidsimplesimon Mar 2017 #33
"How soon we forget"? Well, then, we elders have an obligation to remind. calimary Mar 2017 #44
Thank you calimary saidsimplesimon Mar 2017 #45
Don't forget. shockey80 Mar 2017 #3
He asked Russia if they could 'find the 30,000 emails'...that her team had deleted 2 years earlier. jmg257 Mar 2017 #9
he was trying to be funny burnbaby Mar 2017 #25
No, he wasn't trying to be funny Merlot Mar 2017 #39
Russia Could Only Have Those 30,000 Deleted Email's By DallasNE Mar 2017 #26
Wikileaks & Snowden - are they involved? FakeNoose Mar 2017 #35
This Is Only My Opinion DallasNE Mar 2017 #46
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2017 #70
That's been pointed out somewhere just about every day for the last couple of weeks. George II Mar 2017 #11
republicans selling out America to freaking evil empire Russia Achilleaze Mar 2017 #5
Reagan himself was an evil fuck. nt LexVegas Mar 2017 #38
He's burning in hell, I'm sure. Blue_playwright Mar 2017 #56
Can you imagine being one of these colluders? If proven, your name will go down in infamy Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2017 #6
That's why Trump is pushing this wiretap bs triron Mar 2017 #58
That's ultimately the point Renew Deal Mar 2017 #7
Something poisonous and un-American happened Cosmocat Mar 2017 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author jmg257 Mar 2017 #15
Next Scarsdale Mar 2017 #21
oh my god Cosmocat Mar 2017 #22
Mess cleanup Srkdqltr Mar 2017 #28
We're working on the states, House, and Senate. n/t phylny Mar 2017 #64
In addition to everything else this implies, I wonder if a RICO prosecution Tanuki Mar 2017 #10
Maddow seems deeply affected by this situation. Cracklin Charlie Mar 2017 #12
Rachel has been doing a great job and the depth of her investigation is amazing. lucca18 Mar 2017 #37
what patriotic soul isn't pained by this? Bucky Mar 2017 #52
It is so painful because it's falling on deaf ears. LOL Lib Mar 2017 #55
Duh! malaise Mar 2017 #13
I wish the report didn't have the pee part talking-liberally Mar 2017 #14
Maybe not. Blackmail.... JenniferJuniper Mar 2017 #30
Sorry, but you can't have Republican incompetence without their commitment to... Bucky Mar 2017 #51
Of course...hookers peeing themselves is only part of the blackmail. Mean time... jmg257 Mar 2017 #16
The money shot: Stinky The Clown Mar 2017 #17
Others may have been blackmailed by the RNC hack, though -- McConnell for one. byronius Mar 2017 #18
Yeah - they sure as hell KNEW Cosmocat Mar 2017 #19
No, but if they found out about it and covered it up Volaris Mar 2017 #34
but both of them knew about the hacks and told Obama they would Angry Dragon Mar 2017 #53
Jill Stein NewRedDawn Mar 2017 #20
Yes!! radical noodle Mar 2017 #43
This needs to be stressed more... Docreed2003 Mar 2017 #54
She really seems to be doing real investigative journalism, now. heaven05 Mar 2017 #23
Kick jeffreyi Mar 2017 #24
Why Would Trump People and Russian Officials DallasNE Mar 2017 #27
And the foxes and investigating the hen house SHRED Mar 2017 #29
+ 1 red dog 1 Mar 2017 #60
Jezus. Can a RICO charge be added to a High Treasons case? Volaris Mar 2017 #31
Maddow ended her report by saying the Republican congress and Justice are unwilling FailureToCommunicate Mar 2017 #32
We the people triron Mar 2017 #40
And behind it all is Big Oil ymetca Mar 2017 #36
+1000 BadgerMom Mar 2017 #49
just in case it's not mentioned here: always always always include this Jim Henry article, which Gabi Hayes Mar 2017 #41
I'm waiting for authority who will say "And the TrumpTeam succeeded.That's a crime. That's treason." librechik Mar 2017 #42
The GOP has also colluded and will do nothing to stop demented don BSdetect Mar 2017 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author Amaryllis Mar 2017 #48
Worse than Harding Bucky Mar 2017 #50
I think this is true. Trump is having a hissy fit... Honeycombe8 Mar 2017 #57
K&R...Thanks for posting, kpete red dog 1 Mar 2017 #59
Please stay on the trail, Dr. Maddow, and all other journalists. spooky3 Mar 2017 #61
kick for visibility triron Mar 2017 #62
Let's assume all of this is true, and can be proven, and Trump's complicity is made glaringly real Mr. Ected Mar 2017 #63
You Have To Reach Right Wing Media sharedvalues Mar 2017 #67
Precisely DallasNE Mar 2017 #71
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2017 #69
knr triron Mar 2017 #65
+1 triron Mar 2017 #66
... Lucinda Mar 2017 #68

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
2. Manafort, Flynn, Lewandowsky, Kushner...
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 10:05 AM
Mar 2017

It's starting to read like the Neocons in 2001/2002 (Ledeen, Wolfowitz, Perle....)

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
4. Or Ollie North and Iran/Contragate & before that Reagan team urging delay of Irans hostage release
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 10:14 AM
Mar 2017

and before that Nixon working with the North Vietnamese to sabotage Johnson's peace initiative

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
33. Thanks Tom
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:23 PM
Mar 2017

How soon we forget? Ronnie Raygun's dementia or the malicious efforts of a sociopath with the power of the presidency? Wake up Republicans, we are on the eve of destruction.

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calimary

(81,350 posts)
44. "How soon we forget"? Well, then, we elders have an obligation to remind.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 01:41 PM
Mar 2017

We have a responsibility to remind.

Those who were there and watched it play out on the news in real time, BACK WHEN IT WAS HAPPENING, need to remind.

The long view, the historical view, is so valuable and instructive here. LOTS of cautionary tales. As I get older, myself, I see the value and the sharp-edged truths of that saying "those who ignore/don't know their history are doomed to repeat it." Except that, each time we have a cycle like this, those repeats grow increasingly worse.

I keep going back to Mad-Eye Moody from the "Harry Potter" books - he kept admonishing Harry Potter two things:

1) "CONSTANT VIGILANCE!!!"

and

2) "YOU'VE GOT TO KNOW!!!!!"



saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
45. Thank you calimary
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 01:57 PM
Mar 2017

Danger Will Robinson...

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shockey80

(4,379 posts)
3. Don't forget.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 10:10 AM
Mar 2017

During the campaign trump asked russia to release clintons emails. I do not understand why that is not being talked about. Isn't
that treason?

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
9. He asked Russia if they could 'find the 30,000 emails'...that her team had deleted 2 years earlier.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 10:26 AM
Mar 2017

Not sure that is treason.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
39. No, he wasn't trying to be funny
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:39 PM
Mar 2017

He didn't laugh when he said it. It was a highly inappropriate thing to say.

No person on the national political stage should ask a hostile foreign country to interfere in our politics.

Saying something was "a joke" does not negate what was said. It's a classic narcissistic ploy - say something threatening then say "I was only joking."

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
26. Russia Could Only Have Those 30,000 Deleted Email's By
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 11:38 AM
Mar 2017

Either hacking her computer before they were deleted or she had a backup copy from that time period still on her computer like her associate had on her computer that FBI Director Comey went through. Comey did say they found email not previously discovered and revealed one such example was where the two women discussed what they were going to wear to an event that evening.

FakeNoose

(32,659 posts)
35. Wikileaks & Snowden - are they involved?
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:33 PM
Mar 2017

I took Trump's comment about Hillary's missing emails as an implication that Trump thinks Putin was in touch with Julian Lesange or Edward Snowden. Later on, it sure seems that way but at the time he said it, nobody made the connection.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
46. This Is Only My Opinion
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 03:27 PM
Mar 2017

But I don't see a direct link between Snowden and WikiLeaks. I do think that what Snowden leaked could well have made the task easier for the people handing this data over to WikiLeaks for release.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
5. republicans selling out America to freaking evil empire Russia
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 10:20 AM
Mar 2017

the shade of Ronald Reagan rises from the crypt to curse the republican cabal of corrupt cronies who sold out America in flatout defiance of his warning about systemic evil and about a clear and present danger to the USA.

Blue_playwright

(1,568 posts)
56. He's burning in hell, I'm sure.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 06:03 PM
Mar 2017

Still don't get why they idolize him so much. He was horrible on so many levels.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
6. Can you imagine being one of these colluders? If proven, your name will go down in infamy
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 10:22 AM
Mar 2017

colluding with a foreign adversary against the US. they will do anything to insure that will not happen. perhaps that will be how they will get nailed.

Cosmocat

(14,566 posts)
8. Something poisonous and un-American happened
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 10:24 AM
Mar 2017

We knew enough WELL BEFORE the election that this was the case, and never in our history would a presidential candidate have been able to even remotely be close to winning election than this, dark, period in our history. Only because he was a republican.

AND, if this were a democrat, what we KNOW now (and again, prior to the election) republicans WOULD have him or her up for treason.

Like this ...

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article135243694.html

Response to Cosmocat (Reply #8)

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
21. Next
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 11:02 AM
Mar 2017

democratic president will have one HELL of a mess to clean up, after just a few weeks of this republican clown.

Srkdqltr

(6,303 posts)
28. Mess cleanup
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 11:56 AM
Mar 2017

You realize that if Trump is gone there are several other republicans who are in line to take over before the first Democrat? Will be 4 years no matter what.

Tanuki

(14,919 posts)
10. In addition to everything else this implies, I wonder if a RICO prosecution
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 10:26 AM
Mar 2017

is warranted?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act

...."Under RICO, a person who has committed "at least two acts of racketeering activity" drawn from a list of 35 crimes—27 federal crimes and 8 state crimes—within a 10-year period can be charged with racketeering if such acts are related in one of four specified ways to an "enterprise".[citation needed] Those found guilty of racketeering can be fined up to $25,000 and sentenced to 20 years in prison per racketeering count.[citation needed] In addition, the racketeer must forfeit all ill-gotten gains and interest in any business gained through a pattern of "racketeering activity."[citation needed]

When the U.S. Attorney decides to indict someone under RICO, he or she has the option of seeking a pre-trial restraining order or injunction to temporarily seize a defendant's assets and prevent the transfer of potentially forfeitable property, as well as require the defendant to put up a performance bond. This provision was placed in the law because the owners of Mafia-related shell corporations often absconded with the assets. An injunction and/or performance bond ensures that there is something to seize in the event of a guilty verdict.

In many cases, the threat of a RICO indictment can force defendants to plead guilty to lesser charges, in part because the seizure of assets would make it difficult to pay a defense attorney. Despite its harsh provisions, a RICO-related charge is considered easy to prove in court, as it focuses on patterns of behavior as opposed to criminal acts.[2]

RICO also permits a private individual "damaged in his business or property" by a "racketeer" to file a civil suit. The plaintiff must prove the existence of an "enterprise". The defendant(s) are not the enterprise; in other words, the defendant(s) and the enterprise are not one and the same.[3] There must be one of four specified relationships between the defendant(s) and the enterprise: either the defendant(s) invested the proceeds of the pattern of racketeering activity into the enterprise (18 U.S.C. § 1962(a)); or the defendant(s) acquired or maintained an interest in, or control of, the enterprise through the pattern of racketeering activity (subsection (b)); or the defendant(s) conducted or participated in the affairs of the enterprise "through" the pattern of racketeering activity (subsection (c)); or the defendant(s) conspired to do one of the above (subsection (d)).[4] In essence, the enterprise is either the 'prize,' 'instrument,' 'victim,' or 'perpetrator' of the racketeers.[5] A civil RICO action can be filed in state or federal court.[6]

Both the criminal and civil components allow the recovery of treble damages (damages in triple the amount of actual/compensatory damages).

Although its primary intent was to deal with organized crime, Blakey said that Congress never intended it to merely apply to the Mob. He once told Time, "We don't want one set of rules for people whose collars are blue or whose names end in vowels, and another set for those whose collars are white and have Ivy League diplomas."[2]

Initially, prosecutors were skeptical of using RICO, mainly because it was unproven. However, during the 1980s and 1990s, federal prosecutors used the law to bring charges against several Mafia figures. The first major success was the Mafia Commission Trial, which resulted in several top leaders of New York City's Five Families getting what amounted to life sentences. By the turn of the century, RICO cases resulted in virtually all of the top leaders of the New York Mafia being sent to prison.".....



Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
12. Maddow seems deeply affected by this situation.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 10:31 AM
Mar 2017

The words she said in that report last night seemed to be causing her pain.

I feel the same way. The idea that my dad spent two years as a prisoner of war, only for Assface to come along seventy years later, and sell us out to Russia, causes me tremendous pain.

I am so SICK of their lying faces I could

lucca18

(1,243 posts)
37. Rachel has been doing a great job and the depth of her investigation is amazing.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:37 PM
Mar 2017

So sorry that your Father had to endure being a prisoner of war.....

Bucky

(54,027 posts)
52. what patriotic soul isn't pained by this?
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 05:22 PM
Mar 2017

Jesus, they didn't just tap our emails, they bamboozled the whole Republican Party along the way.
They fought us with our own stupid!! And they fucking won.

Republican hatred of Obama ultimately led to treason. Let that sink in.

LOL Lib

(1,462 posts)
55. It is so painful because it's falling on deaf ears.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 06:01 PM
Mar 2017

It makes me so angry I want to scream. Trump is dirty and the repugs are in on it. If the repukes weren't complicit they would move to install Pence or Ryan as POTUS.

14. I wish the report didn't have the pee part
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 10:35 AM
Mar 2017

It distracts and discredits what is really important: collusion with the enemy.

Bucky

(54,027 posts)
51. Sorry, but you can't have Republican incompetence without their commitment to...
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 05:19 PM
Mar 2017

trickle-down economics.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
16. Of course...hookers peeing themselves is only part of the blackmail. Mean time...
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 10:38 AM
Mar 2017

pg 7 & 8

Detail

1. Speaking in confidence to a compatriot in late July 2016, Source E, an
ethnic Russian close associate of Republican US presidential candidate
Donald TRUMP, admitted that there was a well-developed conspiracy of
co-operation between them and the Russian leadership. This was
managed on the TRUMP side by the Republican candidate's campaign
manager, Paul MANAFORT, who was using foreign policy advisor, Carter
PAGE, and others as intermediaries.
The two sides had a mutual interest
in defeating Democratic presidential candidate Hillary CLINTON, whom
President PUTIN apparently both hated and feared.

The reason for using WikiLeaks was "plausible deniability" and the
operation had been conducted with the full knowledge and support of
TRUMP and senior members of his campaign team.
In return the TRUMP
team had agreed to sideline Russian intervention in Ukraine as a
campaign issue
and to raise defence commitments in the
Baltics and Eastern Europe to defect attention away from Ukraine, a
priority for PUTIN who needed to cauterise the subject.

In the wider context campaign/Kremlin co-operation, Source
claimed that the intelligence network being used against CLINTON
comprised three elements. there were agents/facilitators within
the Democratic Party structure itself; secondly Russian emigre and
associated offensive cyber operators based in the and thirdly, state-
sponsored cyber operatives working in Russia. All three elements had
played an important role to date. On the mechanism for rewarding
relevant assets based in the US, and effecting a two-way flow of
intelligence and other useful information, Source claimed that Russian
diplomatic staff in key cities such as New York, Washington DC and
Miami were using the emigre pension distribution system as cover.


{Spies in the Dem Party, & the Kalugin connection}.

Stinky The Clown

(67,809 posts)
17. The money shot:
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 10:44 AM
Mar 2017

“The operation had been conducted with the full knowledge of Trump and senior members of his campaign team.”

I believe that includes Pence.

I wish it included Ryan and McConnell, but more likely it didn't.

Cosmocat

(14,566 posts)
19. Yeah - they sure as hell KNEW
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 10:54 AM
Mar 2017

as anyone with a brain does, and they sure as hell should have spoke out about it ...

But, they were not in the circle.

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
34. No, but if they found out about it and covered it up
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:25 PM
Mar 2017

That's criminal activity after the fact, right?
Charge them and put them under oath. Ryan can be removed from office and given immunity (maybe);McConnell is in this up to his filthy turtle eyballs, and I want his worthless hateful racist ass in a Federal prison cell.

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
53. but both of them knew about the hacks and told Obama they would
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 05:28 PM
Mar 2017

look upon it as partisan politics ........... so they did know

radical noodle

(8,003 posts)
43. Yes!!
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 01:32 PM
Mar 2017

It seems far-fetched, like a novel, when we think about it but I don't believe in that many coincidences happening all at once like that.

Docreed2003

(16,866 posts)
54. This needs to be stressed more...
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 05:50 PM
Mar 2017

Stein has very clear connections to the Russians and RT. It's not that far fetched to imagine she was a part of this as well.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
23. She really seems to be doing real investigative journalism, now.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 11:29 AM
Mar 2017

I had dropped her as a source way back...and lately with her cozy, gushing about van susteran and other snakes of the right joining MSNBC I was worried she was going wishy-washy again, YET, she is enlightening me with this investigation.

jeffreyi

(1,943 posts)
24. Kick
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 11:29 AM
Mar 2017

Everything else is a distraction. Impeach, remove, ASAP. How do we get this done? Winds are against us.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
27. Why Would Trump People and Russian Officials
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 11:53 AM
Mar 2017

Meet regularly unless it was to cooperate and collude on a campaign to throw the election Trump's way. Trump was personally meeting with the Russians as far back as April 2016, perhaps earlier. So far Trump and 5 of his associates have been identified as having met with Russian officials. Trump had the RNC platform on Ukraine sharply modified in Cleveland.

By all means, keep digging. But how much information is enough to prove collusion? Plus, I really don't care about proving perverted sex with prostitutes.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
29. And the foxes and investigating the hen house
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:14 PM
Mar 2017

Without an independent investigation we're doomed.

red dog 1

(27,826 posts)
60. + 1
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 07:17 PM
Mar 2017

It's doubtful were going to get "an independent investigation"

(From yesterday)
"Grilled on Russia probe, deputy attorney general pick sidesteps Democrats calls for special prosecutor"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141722886

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
32. Maddow ended her report by saying the Republican congress and Justice are unwilling
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:22 PM
Mar 2017

to look into this for clearly partisan reasons. It is therefore up to all of us, but particularly the free press in this country to keep digging. We need to support them more than ever, she pleaded.

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
36. And behind it all is Big Oil
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:36 PM
Mar 2017

One of T-rump's first executive orders was to rescind the rule against oil companies bribing foreign government officials.

The entire administration is a tool for the extraction/pollution lobby. "Liberty" to them means the freedom to not have to clean up after themselves. Like petulant teenagers.

This is a last ditch coup by Big Oil, before their stocks begin to crash, as nation after nation phases in renewables, because they are cheaper, more reliable, and more sustainable in the long run. Science --it's a bitch!

This is all about power. The real kind. Politics is just its front face.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
41. just in case it's not mentioned here: always always always include this Jim Henry article, which
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:52 PM
Mar 2017

I'd say formed the bulwark of Rachel's seminal show of a week ago Monday

https://www.dcreport.org/wilbur-ross-russian-connections/

librechik

(30,674 posts)
42. I'm waiting for authority who will say "And the TrumpTeam succeeded.That's a crime. That's treason."
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 01:06 PM
Mar 2017

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
47. The GOP has also colluded and will do nothing to stop demented don
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 04:05 PM
Mar 2017

His lie about being "tapp" ed is enough to have him removed.

A raving nutjob running amok.

And they approve with their silence.

Response to kpete (Original post)

Bucky

(54,027 posts)
50. Worse than Harding
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 05:11 PM
Mar 2017

More incompetent than Hoover, more apathetic than Buchanan, and (for the record) uglier than Millard Filmore

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
57. I think this is true. Trump is having a hissy fit...
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 06:06 PM
Mar 2017

having been caught in what was to him the "normal course of business." But this isn't business. This is GOVERNMENT. People are watching. Laws apply. Foreign countries are involved. Democracy is involved.

Yes, Trump, you should be afraid. Be very afraid.

red dog 1

(27,826 posts)
59. K&R...Thanks for posting, kpete
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 06:24 PM
Mar 2017

Last edited Wed Mar 8, 2017, 07:24 PM - Edit history (1)

We can only hope that there will be an independent investigation, otherwise, this is all just another example of Drumpf getting away with criminal acts, like he's done all his life.

It's like the Watergate & Iran-Contra scandals, except this time the Republicans control both houses of Congress, so a truly "independent" investigation is only a possibility, not a certainty.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
63. Let's assume all of this is true, and can be proven, and Trump's complicity is made glaringly real
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 10:32 PM
Mar 2017

Then what?

Will we watch the Republicans refuse to act on this information? Will we be forced to stew in our own miserable juices because justice is dead in GOP USA?

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
67. You Have To Reach Right Wing Media
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 12:24 AM
Mar 2017

Trump 90% approval amongst GOPers.
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2436

They all get their news from the Fox News/Breitbart/Conservative radio axis.
"Study: Breitbart-led right-wing media ecosystem altered broader media agenda"
http://www.cjr.org/analysis/breitbart-media-trump-harvard-study.php


And the GOP congresspeople only care about their base.


If you want to change Trump, you have to change that 90% approval rating. And the only way to do that is beat back Fox N.

How to do that? I think patriotic americans should be buttonholing people around them. And thinking of ways to counter Fox.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
71. Precisely
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 11:51 PM
Mar 2017

On Facebook a friend asked why the GOP lawmakers are all so solidly behind Trump, even when it is proven that he is lying. I cited Trump's 86% GOP approval (in the poll I was using) and concluded "you don't bite that hand". I already boycott Fox News. I guess I need to expand that to Fox Sports.

Something I am now wondering is if Trump had a hand in this latest release by WikiLeaks on CIA methods. He once touted his own intelligence over the CIA, pointing out how badly they missed it on WMD in Iraq under Saddam, so why wouldn't he want to destroy them. Can't rule out this being an inside job considering Trump's being quiet so far. The body language just isn't right.

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