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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMaddow: "Operation had been conducted w-full knowledge of Trump & Sr members of his campaign team"
Forget all the salacious personal stuff. Forget all the stuff that made the White House so mad when this was published. The bottom line of this dossier, the bottom line allegation, the point of it is that the Trump campaign didnt just benefit from Russia interfering in our presidential campaign. The point of this is that they colluded, they helped, they were in on it. The money quote from this dossier is, The operation had been conducted with the full knowledge of Trump and senior members of his campaign team. Thats basically what this whole dossier alleges that the Trump folks were in on it. There were multiple people close to Trump, involved in the Trump campaign, who were in contact with the Russian government about the Russian governments attacks on Hillary Clinton, while those attacks were happening, while Russia was waging these attacks. Overall, yes, we still have to describe this as a sheaf of uncorroborated allegations, but little pieces supporting that bottom line thesis really do keep falling in line.
VIDEO & MORE:
http://www.politicususa.com/2017/03/07/maddow-drops-reality-check-trump-russia-collusion-increasingly.html
dalton99a
(81,531 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)It's starting to read like the Neocons in 2001/2002 (Ledeen, Wolfowitz, Perle....)
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)and before that Nixon working with the North Vietnamese to sabotage Johnson's peace initiative
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)How soon we forget? Ronnie Raygun's dementia or the malicious efforts of a sociopath with the power of the presidency? Wake up Republicans, we are on the eve of destruction.
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calimary
(81,350 posts)We have a responsibility to remind.
Those who were there and watched it play out on the news in real time, BACK WHEN IT WAS HAPPENING, need to remind.
The long view, the historical view, is so valuable and instructive here. LOTS of cautionary tales. As I get older, myself, I see the value and the sharp-edged truths of that saying "those who ignore/don't know their history are doomed to repeat it." Except that, each time we have a cycle like this, those repeats grow increasingly worse.
I keep going back to Mad-Eye Moody from the "Harry Potter" books - he kept admonishing Harry Potter two things:
1) "CONSTANT VIGILANCE!!!"
and
2) "YOU'VE GOT TO KNOW!!!!!"
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Danger Will Robinson...
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shockey80
(4,379 posts)During the campaign trump asked russia to release clintons emails. I do not understand why that is not being talked about. Isn't
that treason?
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Not sure that is treason.
burnbaby
(685 posts)ha ha but he was not
Merlot
(9,696 posts)He didn't laugh when he said it. It was a highly inappropriate thing to say.
No person on the national political stage should ask a hostile foreign country to interfere in our politics.
Saying something was "a joke" does not negate what was said. It's a classic narcissistic ploy - say something threatening then say "I was only joking."
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Either hacking her computer before they were deleted or she had a backup copy from that time period still on her computer like her associate had on her computer that FBI Director Comey went through. Comey did say they found email not previously discovered and revealed one such example was where the two women discussed what they were going to wear to an event that evening.
FakeNoose
(32,659 posts)I took Trump's comment about Hillary's missing emails as an implication that Trump thinks Putin was in touch with Julian Lesange or Edward Snowden. Later on, it sure seems that way but at the time he said it, nobody made the connection.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)But I don't see a direct link between Snowden and WikiLeaks. I do think that what Snowden leaked could well have made the task easier for the people handing this data over to WikiLeaks for release.
George II
(67,782 posts)Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)the shade of Ronald Reagan rises from the crypt to curse the republican cabal of corrupt cronies who sold out America in flatout defiance of his warning about systemic evil and about a clear and present danger to the USA.
LexVegas
(6,073 posts)Blue_playwright
(1,568 posts)Still don't get why they idolize him so much. He was horrible on so many levels.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)colluding with a foreign adversary against the US. they will do anything to insure that will not happen. perhaps that will be how they will get nailed.
triron
(22,007 posts)I think it may well backfire on him.
Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)If the dossier is proven, that's what it will show
Cosmocat
(14,566 posts)We knew enough WELL BEFORE the election that this was the case, and never in our history would a presidential candidate have been able to even remotely be close to winning election than this, dark, period in our history. Only because he was a republican.
AND, if this were a democrat, what we KNOW now (and again, prior to the election) republicans WOULD have him or her up for treason.
Like this ...
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article135243694.html
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democratic president will have one HELL of a mess to clean up, after just a few weeks of this republican clown.
Cosmocat
(14,566 posts)People just have no clue ...
Srkdqltr
(6,303 posts)You realize that if Trump is gone there are several other republicans who are in line to take over before the first Democrat? Will be 4 years no matter what.
phylny
(8,381 posts)Tanuki
(14,919 posts)is warranted?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act
...."Under RICO, a person who has committed "at least two acts of racketeering activity" drawn from a list of 35 crimes27 federal crimes and 8 state crimeswithin a 10-year period can be charged with racketeering if such acts are related in one of four specified ways to an "enterprise".[citation needed] Those found guilty of racketeering can be fined up to $25,000 and sentenced to 20 years in prison per racketeering count.[citation needed] In addition, the racketeer must forfeit all ill-gotten gains and interest in any business gained through a pattern of "racketeering activity."[citation needed]
When the U.S. Attorney decides to indict someone under RICO, he or she has the option of seeking a pre-trial restraining order or injunction to temporarily seize a defendant's assets and prevent the transfer of potentially forfeitable property, as well as require the defendant to put up a performance bond. This provision was placed in the law because the owners of Mafia-related shell corporations often absconded with the assets. An injunction and/or performance bond ensures that there is something to seize in the event of a guilty verdict.
In many cases, the threat of a RICO indictment can force defendants to plead guilty to lesser charges, in part because the seizure of assets would make it difficult to pay a defense attorney. Despite its harsh provisions, a RICO-related charge is considered easy to prove in court, as it focuses on patterns of behavior as opposed to criminal acts.[2]
RICO also permits a private individual "damaged in his business or property" by a "racketeer" to file a civil suit. The plaintiff must prove the existence of an "enterprise". The defendant(s) are not the enterprise; in other words, the defendant(s) and the enterprise are not one and the same.[3] There must be one of four specified relationships between the defendant(s) and the enterprise: either the defendant(s) invested the proceeds of the pattern of racketeering activity into the enterprise (18 U.S.C. § 1962(a)); or the defendant(s) acquired or maintained an interest in, or control of, the enterprise through the pattern of racketeering activity (subsection (b)); or the defendant(s) conducted or participated in the affairs of the enterprise "through" the pattern of racketeering activity (subsection (c)); or the defendant(s) conspired to do one of the above (subsection (d)).[4] In essence, the enterprise is either the 'prize,' 'instrument,' 'victim,' or 'perpetrator' of the racketeers.[5] A civil RICO action can be filed in state or federal court.[6]
Both the criminal and civil components allow the recovery of treble damages (damages in triple the amount of actual/compensatory damages).
Although its primary intent was to deal with organized crime, Blakey said that Congress never intended it to merely apply to the Mob. He once told Time, "We don't want one set of rules for people whose collars are blue or whose names end in vowels, and another set for those whose collars are white and have Ivy League diplomas."[2]
Initially, prosecutors were skeptical of using RICO, mainly because it was unproven. However, during the 1980s and 1990s, federal prosecutors used the law to bring charges against several Mafia figures. The first major success was the Mafia Commission Trial, which resulted in several top leaders of New York City's Five Families getting what amounted to life sentences. By the turn of the century, RICO cases resulted in virtually all of the top leaders of the New York Mafia being sent to prison.".....
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)The words she said in that report last night seemed to be causing her pain.
I feel the same way. The idea that my dad spent two years as a prisoner of war, only for Assface to come along seventy years later, and sell us out to Russia, causes me tremendous pain.
I am so SICK of their lying faces I could
lucca18
(1,243 posts)So sorry that your Father had to endure being a prisoner of war.....
Bucky
(54,027 posts)Jesus, they didn't just tap our emails, they bamboozled the whole Republican Party along the way.
They fought us with our own stupid!! And they fucking won.
Republican hatred of Obama ultimately led to treason. Let that sink in.
LOL Lib
(1,462 posts)It makes me so angry I want to scream. Trump is dirty and the repugs are in on it. If the repukes weren't complicit they would move to install Pence or Ryan as POTUS.
Rec
talking-liberally
(43 posts)It distracts and discredits what is really important: collusion with the enemy.
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)Bucky
(54,027 posts)trickle-down economics.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)pg 7 & 8
1. Speaking in confidence to a compatriot in late July 2016, Source E, an
ethnic Russian close associate of Republican US presidential candidate
Donald TRUMP, admitted that there was a well-developed conspiracy of
co-operation between them and the Russian leadership. This was
managed on the TRUMP side by the Republican candidate's campaign
manager, Paul MANAFORT, who was using foreign policy advisor, Carter
PAGE, and others as intermediaries. The two sides had a mutual interest
in defeating Democratic presidential candidate Hillary CLINTON, whom
President PUTIN apparently both hated and feared.
The reason for using WikiLeaks was "plausible deniability" and the
operation had been conducted with the full knowledge and support of
TRUMP and senior members of his campaign team. In return the TRUMP
team had agreed to sideline Russian intervention in Ukraine as a
campaign issue and to raise defence commitments in the
Baltics and Eastern Europe to defect attention away from Ukraine, a
priority for PUTIN who needed to cauterise the subject.
In the wider context campaign/Kremlin co-operation, Source
claimed that the intelligence network being used against CLINTON
comprised three elements. there were agents/facilitators within
the Democratic Party structure itself; secondly Russian emigre and
associated offensive cyber operators based in the and thirdly, state-
sponsored cyber operatives working in Russia. All three elements had
played an important role to date. On the mechanism for rewarding
relevant assets based in the US, and effecting a two-way flow of
intelligence and other useful information, Source claimed that Russian
diplomatic staff in key cities such as New York, Washington DC and
Miami were using the emigre pension distribution system as cover.
{Spies in the Dem Party, & the Kalugin connection}.
Stinky The Clown
(67,809 posts)The operation had been conducted with the full knowledge of Trump and senior members of his campaign team.
I believe that includes Pence.
I wish it included Ryan and McConnell, but more likely it didn't.
byronius
(7,396 posts)Cosmocat
(14,566 posts)as anyone with a brain does, and they sure as hell should have spoke out about it ...
But, they were not in the circle.
Volaris
(10,272 posts)That's criminal activity after the fact, right?
Charge them and put them under oath. Ryan can be removed from office and given immunity (maybe);McConnell is in this up to his filthy turtle eyballs, and I want his worthless hateful racist ass in a Federal prison cell.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)look upon it as partisan politics ........... so they did know
NewRedDawn
(790 posts)and give support from the left to take away the 1-3% of the Hillary vote.
radical noodle
(8,003 posts)It seems far-fetched, like a novel, when we think about it but I don't believe in that many coincidences happening all at once like that.
Docreed2003
(16,866 posts)Stein has very clear connections to the Russians and RT. It's not that far fetched to imagine she was a part of this as well.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I had dropped her as a source way back...and lately with her cozy, gushing about van susteran and other snakes of the right joining MSNBC I was worried she was going wishy-washy again, YET, she is enlightening me with this investigation.
Everything else is a distraction. Impeach, remove, ASAP. How do we get this done? Winds are against us.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Meet regularly unless it was to cooperate and collude on a campaign to throw the election Trump's way. Trump was personally meeting with the Russians as far back as April 2016, perhaps earlier. So far Trump and 5 of his associates have been identified as having met with Russian officials. Trump had the RNC platform on Ukraine sharply modified in Cleveland.
By all means, keep digging. But how much information is enough to prove collusion? Plus, I really don't care about proving perverted sex with prostitutes.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Without an independent investigation we're doomed.
It's doubtful were going to get "an independent investigation"
(From yesterday)
"Grilled on Russia probe, deputy attorney general pick sidesteps Democrats calls for special prosecutor"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141722886
Volaris
(10,272 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)to look into this for clearly partisan reasons. It is therefore up to all of us, but particularly the free press in this country to keep digging. We need to support them more than ever, she pleaded.
triron
(22,007 posts)ymetca
(1,182 posts)One of T-rump's first executive orders was to rescind the rule against oil companies bribing foreign government officials.
The entire administration is a tool for the extraction/pollution lobby. "Liberty" to them means the freedom to not have to clean up after themselves. Like petulant teenagers.
This is a last ditch coup by Big Oil, before their stocks begin to crash, as nation after nation phases in renewables, because they are cheaper, more reliable, and more sustainable in the long run. Science --it's a bitch!
This is all about power. The real kind. Politics is just its front face.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)I'd say formed the bulwark of Rachel's seminal show of a week ago Monday
https://www.dcreport.org/wilbur-ross-russian-connections/
librechik
(30,674 posts)BSdetect
(8,998 posts)His lie about being "tapp" ed is enough to have him removed.
A raving nutjob running amok.
And they approve with their silence.
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Bucky
(54,027 posts)More incompetent than Hoover, more apathetic than Buchanan, and (for the record) uglier than Millard Filmore
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)having been caught in what was to him the "normal course of business." But this isn't business. This is GOVERNMENT. People are watching. Laws apply. Foreign countries are involved. Democracy is involved.
Yes, Trump, you should be afraid. Be very afraid.
red dog 1
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We can only hope that there will be an independent investigation, otherwise, this is all just another example of Drumpf getting away with criminal acts, like he's done all his life.
It's like the Watergate & Iran-Contra scandals, except this time the Republicans control both houses of Congress, so a truly "independent" investigation is only a possibility, not a certainty.
spooky3
(34,461 posts)triron
(22,007 posts)Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)Then what?
Will we watch the Republicans refuse to act on this information? Will we be forced to stew in our own miserable juices because justice is dead in GOP USA?
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Trump 90% approval amongst GOPers.
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2436
They all get their news from the Fox News/Breitbart/Conservative radio axis.
"Study: Breitbart-led right-wing media ecosystem altered broader media agenda"
http://www.cjr.org/analysis/breitbart-media-trump-harvard-study.php
And the GOP congresspeople only care about their base.
If you want to change Trump, you have to change that 90% approval rating. And the only way to do that is beat back Fox N.
How to do that? I think patriotic americans should be buttonholing people around them. And thinking of ways to counter Fox.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)On Facebook a friend asked why the GOP lawmakers are all so solidly behind Trump, even when it is proven that he is lying. I cited Trump's 86% GOP approval (in the poll I was using) and concluded "you don't bite that hand". I already boycott Fox News. I guess I need to expand that to Fox Sports.
Something I am now wondering is if Trump had a hand in this latest release by WikiLeaks on CIA methods. He once touted his own intelligence over the CIA, pointing out how badly they missed it on WMD in Iraq under Saddam, so why wouldn't he want to destroy them. Can't rule out this being an inside job considering Trump's being quiet so far. The body language just isn't right.