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MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:16 PM Mar 2017

Overall, Be Careful about Which Intelligence-Related Bloggers You Trust

There's a thread today warning about a couple of bloggers who write about intelligence community issues. One blogger warning about other bloggers. Here's the thing:

Bloggers write blogs. Some have outstanding credentials, while others are writing out of their nether sphincters. Most bloggers who have a lot of followers write rather well and sound authoritative and well-informed. However, writing style and appearances are not a great way to judge a blogger's information.

In the last few years, we've seen bloggers and so-called journalists come and go in popularity on DU and other political discussion forums. Some we have more or less trusted have proven not to be what they claimed to be. I won't name names, because that's not my point here. Many will suss out of whom I speak.

While political bloggers can be useful sources of information, it's a mistake to trust them completely, regardless of what they claim to know. It's very easy to write as though you're an expert with exclusive sources, even if you're writing nonsense you pulled out of your underwear.

I suggest that everyone should take every blogger with a large cubic crystal of sodium chloride. Former intelligence analysts and military strategists are just that - FORMER. Past employment an alphabet intelligence agency does not necessarily mean current access to those agencies, even though a writer might know how to convince people that they have some sort of inside information.

I used to work at the NSA, myself. That was many years ago. I no longer work there, nor do I actually know anyone any longer who works there. I can write about the NSA in general terms, but have no particular expertise on what that agency is doing now. I once knew people from other intelligence agencies, as well. I do not know any now. So, although I can write intelligently about intelligence agencies and their operations, I cannot tell you a damned thing about the state of those agencies and their operations at this time.

Be very careful when reading stuff by these FORMER people. You cannot know what they actually had access to when they were there, but you can be sure they no longer have such access. You do not know why they no longer work there, either. Such people are interesting and can provide glimpses into the operation of such agencies, but are not valid sources for current information. They are no longer there, and those who are are not talking to them about what is going on.

It's interesting to read that stuff, but not necessarily accurately informative. Some bloggers have specific axes to grind, too. They may be telling you things they want you to read, and not telling you things you should know. Always look askance at whatever some FORMER person who worked in the military or intelligence apparatus tells you about current events. They rarely actually know what's going on right now. They're guessing, just as I do sometimes, based on what I used to know or have observed in the past.

Exercise caution. That's all I'm saying. You should do that with things I write, too, about such areas. What I write is based on my understanding as a FORMER intelligence analyst, just like all those bloggers. I'm happy to admit that, and try only to provide general insights, because I have no freaking idea exactly what's going on inside those closed walls.

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Overall, Be Careful about Which Intelligence-Related Bloggers You Trust (Original Post) MineralMan Mar 2017 OP
Note: I'm not calling out any particular bloggers. MineralMan Mar 2017 #1
Isn't being in the IC sorta like the mob? nilesobek Mar 2017 #2
Not really. Most people working in that field MineralMan Mar 2017 #3
Such a thoughtful and concise reply. nilesobek Mar 2017 #5
My pleasure. I'm always happy to talk about myself, MineralMan Mar 2017 #8
Schindler and Mensch were to the right flamingdem Mar 2017 #4
Yes, that's true. But, you do have to go back in time to discover that. MineralMan Mar 2017 #6
Heads up peggysue2 Mar 2017 #10
agree totally... Fast Walker 52 Mar 2017 #7
Exactly. We should always examine blogs with a cautious eye. MineralMan Mar 2017 #9

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
1. Note: I'm not calling out any particular bloggers.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:28 PM
Mar 2017

I'm calling out bloggers in general. We shouldn't automatically trust what any of them write. We should always compare what they write with other sources and treat them all as sources of raw information, which may or may not be true.

That we agree with their assessments of things is no assurance of accuracy.

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
2. Isn't being in the IC sorta like the mob?
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:58 PM
Mar 2017

Are they supposed to talk and write books and blogs? Can a former employee be recalled to service?

Incidentally, your screen name fits right into this topic, unless you are a collector of semi-precious gems.

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
3. Not really. Most people working in that field
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 01:07 PM
Mar 2017

are primarily paper-pushers (analysts). And no, they're not supposed to write books and blogs during the time they're working in those agencies, at least not anything having to do with those agencies.

There was a rule when I was there that any publications had to be approved before publication. I wasn't writing then, though. No, they can't be recalled to service if they quit working there. They can be prosecuted, though, if they reveal any classified information.

When I left the USAF, following my term of enlistment, I was working in the NSA building. One of the things attached to my discharge was a travel restriction that lasted several years, which prohibited me from traveling to several countries, and required me to notify the agency of any travel outside of the US, 90 days in advance. I didn't take any trips like that, though, so I never had to bother.

I can say that I worked in the NSA building. I cannot discuss what I did inside that building. Still, almost 50 years later. I signed agreements about that. So I don't. I can say that I was a Russian linguist in the USAF, and an analyst. That's on my DD Form 214. I cannot say anything about what I actually did while serving in the USAF, though, with those skills. Still, almost 50 years later.

Even though what I did wasn't all that interesting, it's still classified.

I'm pretty much a rules-follower about such things, despite the fact that what I was doing was boring and of no interest to anyone, really.

I sometimes write about the NSA, but anything I write can be found in the Wikipedia page on that agency, frankly, or on other unclassified websites.

As for my screen name, it derives from a business I used to have of selling mineral specimens to collectors all over the world. I closed that business down in 2007, but kept the screen name.

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
8. My pleasure. I'm always happy to talk about myself,
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 01:15 PM
Mar 2017

you know. That's typical of most writers and bloggers.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
4. Schindler and Mensch were to the right
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 01:11 PM
Mar 2017

All it takes is a scroll back in time to see that they aren't democrats (or Liberals/Labor in the case of Mensch) but they can contribute to information gathering and analysis.

The problem is if they start to bring in their right wingy tendencies.

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
6. Yes, that's true. But, you do have to go back in time to discover that.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 01:14 PM
Mar 2017

People rarely bother with that sort of thing. The funny thing about writing is that you can include what you want to include and leave out what is inconvenient. We writers have been doing that for a very, very long time.

Sometimes, what is not written is as important as what is written. Just saying...

peggysue2

(10,836 posts)
10. Heads up
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 02:08 PM
Mar 2017

Just received a heads up from a site and blogger I've been following for years. He's a pretty savvy, intuitive type and he issued the same warning, Mineral Man. On his advice, I did a little poking around on Schindler and Mensch--they appear to be buddy-buddies. Though I'd considered Schindler spot on with his comments on Trump, I found through a quick search that he was trashing Hillary Clinton, accusing her of Russian connections (bank-related) and alleging that the Clinton Foundation was a corrupt money making scheme. This was last year, just prior to the election. And now he's all negative on Trump's lies and craziness, underscoring his misplaced Putin love?

Mensch is a former employee of Rupert Murdock's Heat Street; she is a self-defined conservative. Her political leanings don't automatically damn her criticism of Trump. Actual conservatives should be appalled by the man's lack of discipline and wild ravings. But the fact that she and Schindler appear joined at the hip, gives me pause. If they are attempting to muddy the waters then the public will have a harder time to discern fact from fiction. That plays into the Trump/Bannon mindset: don't trust the 'experts,' the press, the opposition. Don't trust the IC. Listen only to Dear Leader, Herr Drumpf.

Interesting, scary times.

Btw, Rachael Maddow did a piece alluding to Mensch's Carolina Conspiracy research project--the odd landings between Trump's plane and those of a particular Russian oligarch. Hope Rachael and her crew are doing due diligence on this material because having even tiny errors would be a great way of undermining the good investigative work that's going on right now.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
7. agree totally...
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 01:14 PM
Mar 2017

we always need to be aware aware of confirmation bias and use critical thinking for every news story, especially for something conspiratorial.

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