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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJustice Ginsburg's stiletto into Fat Tony.
Deep in Justice Ginsburg's opinion was this gem:
"That is so of the market for cars, and of the market for broccoli as well. Although an individual might buy a car or a crown of broccoli one day, there is no certainty she will ever do so. And if she eventually wants a car or has a craving for broccoli, she will be obliged to pay at the counter before receiving the vehicle or nourishment. She will get no free ride or food, at the expense of another consumer forced to pay an inflated price. Upholding the minimum coverage provision on the ground that all are participants or will be participants in the health-care market would therefore carry no implication that Congress may justify under the Commerce Clause a mandate to buy other products and services."
(emphasis is added)
This is nothing more than an elegantly nasty calling out of Fat Tony. I suspect that she put this in for no reason more the the pure old merry hell of it. Wonderful stuff.
I doff my hat to you, Justice Ginsburg.
GarroHorus
(1,055 posts)hlthe2b
(102,376 posts)these years. What a boor... I'd be willing to bet even Roberts and Kennedy finds him so. Only Thomas and Alito--his continually loyal sycophants-- could possibly not be disgusted by him.
onenote
(42,767 posts)Their families have often spent new year's eve together and attend the theater together. Ginsburg has described Scalia as someone who can be quite irritating, but nonetheless also someone who can make her laugh and who she finds to be provocative and interesting.
Having had Ginsburg as a professor in law school (before she was appointed to the bench), I'm not surprised. She likes to debate the issues and its easy to see how she might enjoy the company of someone who view things differently than herself.
hlthe2b
(102,376 posts)elleng
(131,122 posts)onenote
(42,767 posts)Response to onenote (Reply #11)
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onenote
(42,767 posts)of the few males in the class and she wanted to make a point. Seriously, I just think the point she was making was that I didn't do my best work in that class!
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)onenote
(42,767 posts)elleng
(131,122 posts)I lived in Chicago 10+ years, including law school years there. When returning to Chicago from visit with family in NY, at O'Hare, figuring how I'd get into town (bus, taxi with others, etc.,) this friendly guy, whom I didn't know, suggested we and others share a taxi. Sat beside him in the cab, chatted, and, guess what, he's a lawyer! Was at very beginning of my career as lawyer, and he suggested I send him my resume.
Guess who it was??? The garlic/oil guy you picture! (Didn't notice any odors, OR other unpleasant characteristics.) Never heard from him after sending resume; clearly not one of his kind, as I'd intended to be a 'do-gooder' attorney, and didn't realize WHO he was/is for some time!
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)He would have seduced you to The Dark Side, and you would now be working on how to screw people out of their Social Security!
elleng
(131,122 posts)Among other things, I helped get folks out of Cook County Jail during '68 Dem convention, worked at legal services programs, public defender office, with criminal defense attorneys, and as VISTA Volunteer Attorney.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)He would have used pizza and tasty calzones to get you to do his bidding.
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)Thus, the fact that Ginsburg and Scalia are best of friends becomes only a secondary proof that this stupid, fake, professional wrestling match between liberals and conservatives is only show put on for us plebs, who get screwed either way.
Kennah
(14,315 posts)... I think Carville and Matalin are quite a bit closer on the political spectrum than Ginsburg and Scalia.
FlaGranny
(8,361 posts)One of my best friends is a Republican. I just won't discuss politics with him. Other than his political delusions, he is one of the sweetest, kindest guys on the planet, albeit with a gruff exterior. I could never understand how a person can be so personally good and so politically bad. These are the kind of people who will hand you their last dollar if you are hungry but worry that some poor slob will get a penny of their tax dollars.
TexasTowelie
(112,438 posts)SCOTUS rivaling Brandeis, Brennan and Holmes.
The fact that she stuck it to Fat Tony is icing on the cake.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)Whatever her merits she is not known for dynamic opinions. When I was in law school I don't remember reading one of her opinions in my case books.
elleng
(131,122 posts)In 1954, enrolled at Harvard Law School, where she was one of only nine women in a class of more than five hundred. When her husband took a job in New York City, she transferred to Columbia Law School and became the first woman to be on two major law reviews, the Harvard Law Review and the Columbia. In 2010 she was awarded an honorary Doctor of Laws degree from Princeton University,[6] and in 2011 she was awarded an honorary Doctor of Laws degree from Harvard.
She was a professor of law at Rutgers from 1963 to 1972. In 1970, she co-founded the Women's Rights Law Reporter, the first law journal in the U.S. to focus exclusively on women's rights.[11] From 1972 until 1980, she taught at Columbia, co-authored the first law school casebook on sex discrimination. She also taught in Tulane University Law School's summer-abroad program.[12] In 1977, she became a fellow at the Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences at Stanford University.
In 1972, Ginsburg co-founded the Women's Rights Project at the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and, in 1973, she became the ACLU's General Counsel. As the chief litigator for the Women's Rights Project, she briefed and argued several landmark cases in front of the Supreme Court, such as Reed v. Reed, 404 U.S. 71 (1971), wherein the Court extended the protections of the Equal Protection Clause to women for the first time. She also argued Frontiero v. Richardson, 411 U.S. 677 (1973) and Weinberger v. Wiesenfeld, 420 U.S. 636 (1975), which supported the ultimate development and application of the intermediate scrutiny Equal Protection standard of review for legal classifications based on sex. She attained a reputation as a skilled oral advocate, and her work directly led to the end of gender discrimination in many areas of the law.[13]
Her last case as a lawyer before the Court was 1978's Duren v. Missouri, which challenged laws and practices making jury duty voluntary for women in that state. Ginsburg viewed optional jury duty as a message that women's service was unnecessary to important government functions. At the end of Ginsburg's oral presentation, then-Associate Justice William Rehnquist asked Ginsburg, "You won't settle for putting Susan B. Anthony on the new dollar, then?"[14] Ginsburg, being cautious, did not respond to his question.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Bader_Ginsburg
former9thward
(32,082 posts)In fact I think both of the first two women Justices had outstanding backgrounds. Sandra Day OConnor was the first appointed by a Republican and Ginsberg the first appointed by a Democrat. OConnor graduated third in her class at Stanford and could not get a job as a lawyer because she was a woman. She went into to legislative life as a result and finally was appointed into the judiciary.
redwitch
(14,947 posts)hlthe2b
(102,376 posts)As long as they aren't overcooked, I'd eat them every day
I love veggies!
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)except for the brussel sprouts.
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Love 'em.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)Broccoli can have a god awful odor (and taste) if you take a frozen bag of it and just stick it in the microwave. But if you cook it with even just a bit of some mild sauce or oil, it really tastes fine. It's not my favorite veggie, for sure, but I will eat if it's put in front of me.
I more prefer bell peppers, cabbage (especially bok choi), spinach, and cooked kale.
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)Do they all channel poppy when it comes down to veggies?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)After Herbert Walker said he hated broccoli the capital was suddenly flooded with it as growers shipped it in by the truckload. For a time every cafeteria was filled with the aroma of broccoli cooking.
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)Lots of green vegetables are thought to actually help prevent cancer...broccoli, spinach, brussel sprouts, cabbage, leeks....bring 'em on! Not peas.
On topic: Judge Ginsberg - live long and well!
Kennah
(14,315 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)As I argue here: The Broccoli Horrible (Crow eaten here.)
-Laelth
muntrv
(14,505 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)harun
(11,348 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)Last edited Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:43 PM - Edit history (1)
If we as a country are obligated to provide for everyone, and we should, and we are, then everyone is obligated to contribute when they can, everybody has to have skin in the game. I know it's socialist, but that's what society is all about, common rights and obligations.
And that is why we have taxes, to support the common good; so those things which are not common goods, like cars and broccoli, you don't have to pay taxes for either.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Those Commie Founding Fathers put it in the Preamble to the Constitution!
Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)spanone
(135,880 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)it was John Roberts who didn't like broccoli.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)bread_and_roses
(6,335 posts)Profiteers! Hell, I read it's even "socialist!" Three dimensional chess indeed, of our POTUS, to create a system that is "socialist"while making the for-profit insurance industry richer! And even using "our tax dollars" to do it! Brilliant!
TomClash
(11,344 posts)But a rec for Ginsburg's opinion, which was excellent, IMHO.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Eschewing the more typical linguistic form, "he".
Yes, that was definitely purposeful.
Justice Ginsburg
:fuckyou: "justice" sca(b)lia
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)rhetorical swords with Justice Ginsburg.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)but maybe if I read more of her, I can absorb a little of her mojo?