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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 10:29 AM Mar 2017

The Pope said you should give to panhandlers even if they are going to spend the money on booze.

I agree. Begging has to suck. If booze gives someone a respite from the degradation of begging I don't have a problem with it. Usually if I am near a convenience store or fast food place I ask if I can buy them something to eat.




If “a glass of wine is the only happiness he has in life,” the pope replied, “that’s OK. Instead, ask yourself, what do you do on the sly? What ‘happiness’ do you seek in secret?”

-Pope Francis
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The Pope said you should give to panhandlers even if they are going to spend the money on booze. (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 OP
1) What someone does with their little bit of pocket money... ret5hd Mar 2017 #1
Once I give money to someone, it is their money, not mine. Merlot Mar 2017 #15
Me too. It's a gift freely given to people who have so little, Hortensis Mar 2017 #27
Excellent attitude. People at the bottom know what they need to survive Warpy Mar 2017 #28
I can't imagine anybody makes enough begging to squirrel anything away mythology Mar 2017 #30
IMHO, the people most in need, are the least successful at begging HoneyBadger Mar 2017 #35
Vatican City must not be dealing with an opioid epidemic. Vinca Mar 2017 #2
Thank you for your comment inanna Mar 2017 #4
I could have sympathy for someone who is dope sick The Big Ragu Mar 2017 #7
"I'll give to them now." I hope you mean, "I give to them now." WinkyDink Mar 2017 #10
I'm a leftie, ergo I'm a giver. Vinca Mar 2017 #17
There is a guy in Times Square that famously asks for money for weed HoneyBadger Mar 2017 #3
Judge not, that ye be not judged. dalton99a Mar 2017 #5
When my daughter was 11, HockeyMom Mar 2017 #6
I saw a panhandler with a dog outside a grocery store. panader0 Mar 2017 #8
Many have dogs now for security and to distinguish their operation HoneyBadger Mar 2017 #11
Well, unlike Mike Gravel, at least theirs is an honest grift. ret5hd Mar 2017 #18
That appears to be yourself projecting HoneyBadger Mar 2017 #21
The dreaded "Panhandler Operation" Merlot Mar 2017 #19
ITA! WTH are WE, to presume to 1.) know how someone will behave; and 2.) JUDGE. WinkyDink Mar 2017 #9
I don't give a shit what they do with what I give ismnotwasm Mar 2017 #12
i always give..... samnsara Mar 2017 #13
Yep. Still have no need of a man MyNameGoesHere Mar 2017 #14
"...what do you do on the sly?" Indeed. Crash2Parties Mar 2017 #16
Have to agree with you on those points Merlot Mar 2017 #20
The church doesn't need mroe wealth but they do benefit by having more poor & destitute. Crash2Parties Mar 2017 #24
True. And far be it from me to defend any pope. Merlot Mar 2017 #34
call us when the pope sells the vatican treasures and gives the proceeds to "panhandlers" nt msongs Mar 2017 #22
I'mWithPope. oasis Mar 2017 #23
Maybe give them an hours of happiness? n/t USALiberal Mar 2017 #25
The bible does say to give to the poor. It doesnt say you have to tell them how to spend it. caroldansen Mar 2017 #26
So if panhandlers show up at churches the churches will give them money? n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2017 #29
The Pope is in a country that reveres wine. I bet he knocks back a couple of glasses with dinner... CTyankee Mar 2017 #31
I do. I don't care what they do with the money I give. Some people Kahuna7 Mar 2017 #32
I agree that d_r Mar 2017 #33

ret5hd

(20,516 posts)
1. 1) What someone does with their little bit of pocket money...
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 10:37 AM
Mar 2017

is of little concern to me.

2) Once I give money to someone, it is their money, not mine.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
15. Once I give money to someone, it is their money, not mine.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 12:25 PM
Mar 2017

Exactly.

While it would be nice if they were able to squirrel it away, that's not reality living on the street. When ever I hear someone say something like "they'll spend it on booze" I counter with "ya, they should be investing in the stock market, or at least mutual funds."

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. Me too. It's a gift freely given to people who have so little,
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 06:11 PM
Mar 2017

and I have always hoped they enjoyed it, whether a full stomach or a nice bottle.

Perhaps a do-unto-others thing. I was often homeless as the child of a mother suffering from major depression, and in the back of my mind the notion that someone like me could be homeless has never really gone away. Not a fear, certainly not an expectation, more like awareness of another way of living one's life that happens to some.

I'd look at the homeless people attending the free concerts in LA and think, okay, warm winters, summers with free concerts enjoyed with a wide spectrum of people, probably joining in or watching a protest here and there. Maybe get some friends for protection. It's a life. Not the mentally ill, of course, a whole different story. But still...sorta taking notes. And of course I'd prefer generous handouts by far to virtuous, disapproving ones.

I like Pope Frances so much.

Warpy

(111,336 posts)
28. Excellent attitude. People at the bottom know what they need to survive
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 06:16 PM
Mar 2017

and for some of them, it really is alcohol. Untreated withdrawal is 50% fatal. I've seen full blown DTs and they're scary enough to watch, they must be absolutely hideous to experience.

So yeah, stranger, I've got a buck or two that isn't needed for anything right now, I might as well share them with you. And that's it. Infantilizing people by telling them how to spend their money just makes the whole thing humiliating and much worse.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
30. I can't imagine anybody makes enough begging to squirrel anything away
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 06:34 PM
Mar 2017

Not only do so few people give, but buying things when you have to shop at the convenience store and can't really store food (even canned food they then have to lug around).

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
35. IMHO, the people most in need, are the least successful at begging
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 08:23 PM
Mar 2017

I probably see one beggar pass through a subway car every 5 minutes. If they are smelly, have a lot of junk that they are dragging over people's feet, and have an unprofessional spiel, they get very little. To me, these are the people most in need. They obviously are carrying everything that they have in the world. Vs the very polished folks that talk about recently losing their job or how they the VA mixed up their check this month and how they are not robbing anyone, they tend to do well. They have nothing in their hands except for a container to deposit contributions into. The interesting thing is when 2 different ones enter a car from different directions and ignore each other. I actually know buskers (musicians) that panhandle the subway. Ran into a couple of friends on the L train today. The goal is to get a steady gig on Broadway and play the occasional party. But in between, they work the subway in the winter and the park in the summer.

Vinca

(50,303 posts)
2. Vatican City must not be dealing with an opioid epidemic.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 10:37 AM
Mar 2017

I used to give to panhandlers, but since I live at ground zero for the heroin/fentanyl problem I've stopped. The last time I gave money to a young woman because she supposedly needed bus fare she headed in the opposite direction from the bus station and to an alley known to be frequented by dealers. It's very sad, but we have many charitable organizations in my area who are open on a daily basis to provide food and a bed on cold nights. I'll give to them now. I don't want to abet an overdose death.

inanna

(3,547 posts)
4. Thank you for your comment
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 10:44 AM
Mar 2017

As a non-Catholic, I really like this Pope, but I'm inclined to disagree on this point.

Where I live there is a meth epidemic, and I feel the same as you on this.

 

The Big Ragu

(75 posts)
7. I could have sympathy for someone who is dope sick
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 11:00 AM
Mar 2017

and lay some bread on them for a dime bag, a nick or something.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
3. There is a guy in Times Square that famously asks for money for weed
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 10:44 AM
Mar 2017

He occasionally attacks people, probably because he does not have weed. I have no problem giving him money. But that women on the subway, with a well rehearsed spiel about being recently homeless and taking care of 3 kids. I do not believe her story, so no thank you.

Most of the local panhandlers do not seem to drink booze. I did see a guy get up from begging in front of a movie theatre and hand $80-100 to a worker at a Wafels & Dinges cart. He got a very small yellow envelope in return. Assume opiates. Is the Pope good with that?



NEW YORK(CBSNewYork) — A panhandler holding an ‘I Need Money For Weed Sign’ apparently stabbed a rival panhandler in the head with a pen in Times Square on Friday.

Witnesses told police that the ‘Weed Guy’ went after a man who was holding an ‘I Need Beer’ sign shortly after 10 p.m. on 42nd Street near 7th Ave, as a number of Broadway shows were letting out, 1010 WINS reported.

When authorities arrived on the scene they questioned individuals dressed as Predator and Alien, charges against the alleged assailant are pending.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
6. When my daughter was 11,
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 10:56 AM
Mar 2017

she bought a homeless woman soup and a sandwich with her own Christmas money. They woman cried when my daughter handed the food to her. I guess she must have wanted food more than booze. You can never know.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
11. Many have dogs now for security and to distinguish their operation
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 11:15 AM
Mar 2017

It has become something of a business. There are panhandlers in the Grand Central area that claim certain locations regularly, which bring in over $100/hour. It occasionally makes the news.

ret5hd

(20,516 posts)
18. Well, unlike Mike Gravel, at least theirs is an honest grift.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 01:18 PM
Mar 2017

I'm pretty sure that if you truly thought you could make $100/hr you would be there.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
21. That appears to be yourself projecting
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 02:28 PM
Mar 2017

METRO
This bum boasts he makes $200 an hour panhandling
By Kevin Fasick, Sarah Trefethen and Kate Sheehy

November 11, 2015 | 1:21am


A panhandler outside Grand Central Terminal says he rakes in up to $200 an hour from kind-hearted New Yorkers.

And the 43-year-old former theater stagehand is only one of a legion of beggars in the city hauling in big bucks and a smorgasbord of food doing nothing but sitting on the sidewalk with hands out.

“On a Friday morning, I make $400 in two hours,’’ said Will Andersen, who was with his 9-year-old dog, Rizzo, on East 42nd Street between Vanderbilt and Madison avenues on Tuesday.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
19. The dreaded "Panhandler Operation"
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 01:47 PM
Mar 2017

Worse and more nefarious than the Mafia. Instead of robery and intimidation, they use guilt and manipulation to get their "marks" to give up the goods...or in this case pocket change. At night they go home to their cozy apartments where they take hot showers to wash off the grime of the street and laugh at all the suckers who gave them money.

ismnotwasm

(42,004 posts)
12. I don't give a shit what they do with what I give
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 11:22 AM
Mar 2017

It's been many years, but I've been homeless and hungry and addicted. If you haven't been there, it's a difficult scene to describe.

Making little packs in a ziplock bags --with a bottle of water, a little bit of food, candy a buck or too is an idea I've done before--you can make up a bunch of them and hand them out. If it's a younger women, maybe some menstrual supplies. You can vary them as much as you like and they don't cost much

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
14. Yep. Still have no need of a man
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 11:29 AM
Mar 2017

With a funny hat to confirm I am more moral than God. I've always done this.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
16. "...what do you do on the sly?" Indeed.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 12:38 PM
Mar 2017

I'm sorry / not sorry, but this proclamation of Pope Prettywords is as two-faced as anything Trump says.

He still hides molester priests.
He still moves parish money out to avoid paying retribution to victims.
He still calls transgender people a threat to humanity.
He still tells his hospital administrators to base medical decisions on religious dogma.
He still shames single mothers.
He still tells women our place is to serve men.
And so on.

The worst part though, is how transparent these feel-good media sound bites are. Every time he has done so in the past via the well-oiled Vatican media machine, within a week or two he has said the opposite to a much more captive, intimate, private audience of Believers.

But beyond all that, it would far more moral and ethical if the Church stopped preaching from the pulpit to vote GOP as they've done here in America for the past 8 years.

They are in no small part responsible for those homeless people having no where else to turn but begging.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
20. Have to agree with you on those points
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 01:52 PM
Mar 2017

Especially the point that the church preaches from the pulpit to vote gop and the gop is the LEAST likely group to address the homeless issue. The recent proposed changes to the ACA will insure that more people become homeless due to medical debt, if they don't die first.

So I have mixed feelings, because the messages this pope put out there are still better than the previous popes. Whether they are crumbs to pacify and re-brand the church, or the words of a man who's leading an institution that is to large and corrupt to be actually changed is another question.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
24. The church doesn't need mroe wealth but they do benefit by having more poor & destitute.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 05:58 PM
Mar 2017

Insofar as the Pope's messages, in regards to women & LGBT people he really does speak from both sides of his mouth. Like Trump he says one thing one day ("Who am I to judge&quot and the opposite another day ("The family is threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage, by relativism, by the culture of the ephemeral, by a lack of openness to life.&quot . The media gets one message & promotes him as a nice guy, the followers get the other message and maintain the status quo or worse, vote GOP.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
34. True. And far be it from me to defend any pope.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 08:01 PM
Mar 2017

This newest pope is re-branding, no doubt about it. He doesn't creep me out as much as the previous pope though, so there's that. But that's the best I can say about him.

Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
32. I do. I don't care what they do with the money I give. Some people
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 07:20 PM
Mar 2017

want food, others want booze or drugs. Maybe they need the booze or drugs more than they need food.

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