and wants desperately to get back in, maybe desperately enough to do bullshit like this, carrying water for the party that gerrymandered him out of the House.

I think that was well established from the beginning that we might be listening to Americans who are talking to bad guys overseas.

And I can see why a Congressperson would be upset that it happened.

But the implication was that if a recording of Donald happened it was because he was talking to someone maybe as bad as Qaddafi.

Still, Kucinich could have contextualized that interview better and pointed out that Donald must have been talking to a Russian bad guy.

Kucinich is a scorned liberal and hell hath no fury like it.

Unless that was heavily redacted by Faux (which I suppose is not entirely out of the question ... but shame on him for not ensuring he had final say over the copy if so) ... he just absolutely betrayed his entire liberal constituency ... and he did so beyond repair.

If he thinks he's going to get back into office by sucking up to Faux, Drumpf, and the GOP at this point? Then that shows he's an absolute nutjob, and I'm embarrassed I ever had good words to say about that little weasel. This is so, so disappointing to read.

that he's just going a little soft in the head.

Any liberal and/or Democrat who has all his marbles would realize what Fox's game is. If you give them an interview saying "I think my phone might have been tapped," the Fox click-bait headline for the story will be "Dennis Kucinich Corroborates Trump's Story About Obama Wiretapping His Phone."

Then, when you get down into the weeds of the story, you see it says no such thing. But it doesn't matter. The damage has already been done. If a lie gets half way around the world before the truth gets its boots on, a HALF-TRUTH gets half way around the world before the truth even gets its SOCKS on.

Dennis ... you traitorous little weasel.

To think I used to respect you at one time ... quite a bit, actually.

Turns out ... you're a fucking idiot ... AND a fucking loser.

You make me sad.

That is all.

And to think, at one point I entertained voting for Kooch in the '08 primary. Well, I aint perfect.

I voted for Edwards in the primary
That is my absolute worst primary vote ever

I was strongly in favor of Kerry putting him on the ticket in 2004; I thought he had that Clintonesque thing of looking good on TV, southern charm, whatever...

derp.

Edited to add: in '08 my dealbreaker line in the sand was the IWR Vote. That took kerry, edwards, clinton and biden out of my primary preference list iirc.

not only did she support that, but she also supported the Republican wedge issue votes on flag burning and gay marriage. Two wedge issues they were hammering away at to distract from the Iraq war going so badly. Clinton was clearly trying to lay claim to the 'third way' middle ground, just like she did in 2016.

Not that trying to claim middle ground is a bad thing, per se. It can be done, but there are better ways to do it than pandering to Republican-leaning voters with wedge social issues. For example, I still maintain that if Kerry had chosen Wes Clark as his VP candidate instead of Edwards, Bush Jr. would've been a one term President, and Kerry would have been finishing his second term in 2012.

Not that I have any problem with Wes Clark, I'm just not sure how much swing the VP choice really carries in your average presidential election. Despite the inordinate focus it receives, a lot of folks smarter than I who have really looked at the question, have concluded it doesn't really sway that many votes. A notable exception might be an election like '60, where it was so crucial for JFK to bring the southern wing of the party on board.

Still, I don't know. Obviously in hindsight Clark would have been a better pick, for all sorts of reasons.

It was one advantage to running Obama in '08, though, he didn't have the albatross of the IWR vote around his neck. Beyond that, I could elaborate at great length on the detrimental long-term political consequences I feel have befallen some in our party in their rush to "sell out" to what was at the time conventional wisdom on issues like gay marriage, but .....that would probably be counterproductive.

It is one big reason why I've become increasingly a fan of Gavin Newsom, though (despite my initial perception of him, years ago, as a blow-dried marina yuppie) -- whatever else you say about the guy, he hasn't been afraid to get out in front on issues like marriage equality and cannabis legalization. There's nothing particularly courageous about doing the right thing once the polls tell you its okay. Leadership is doing what's right even if the so-called "smart money" tells you its untenable.

And the irony is, leading in that fashion usually pays off in terms of integrity and credibility, if you're willing to wait long enough.

I could not believe how people couldn't see how phony he was. Every time Edwards would come on my screen I would change the channel.

The points he made were relevant but it just seemed like he just wanted power,I never liked him.

And his sister actually voted for Trump. He's gone nuts and it is sad. I voted for him in the '08 primary. I don't regret the vote since back then, he was a little unorthodox but not like this.

Along with Jill Stein.

Signs certainly point in that direction.

A.) he was talking to Qaddafi's kid when we were in the process of having his dad regime changed and/or bombed.

Of course the NSA is going to be listening.

B.) he says the tapes were uncovered in Tripoli?

They could have been recorded on that end by Libyan officials.

That's not what the story says. Although, I'm sure Fox is delighted that people are THINKING that's what it says.

Kucinich says that he took a call from Moammar Qaddafi's son during the Libyan war. Later on, The Washington Times told him they had a recording of that conversation, and played it back to him to authenticate.

He offers no proof that it was an American intelligence agency that recorded that conversation, and he CERTAINLY offers no proof that Trump's phones were tapped by Obama or any American intelligence agency. The fact that the U.S. government hasn't yet replied to Kucinich's FOIA requests asking if they DID tap his phone isn't proof that it actually happened, either.

Kucinich's conversation could have easily been tapped BY Qaddafi's son, or any of a dozen actors on the Libyan side of the conversation, including the Russians who would love to leave the impression that it was the U.S. government that did it. Especially since Qaddafi was using a cellphone, which can EASILY be listened in on.

So, Kucinich isn't saying Trump's phone was tapped by Obama. He's saying he THINKS that his OWN phone MIGHT have been tapped by the U.S. government, but has no proof of that.

But I'm sure Trump is grateful for the support, Dennis.

The entire point of the op-ed is to support the idea that Trump's phone could have been tapped by Obama.

He closes with:

Clearly he is making the argument that Trump could be right about his phone being tapped by Obama, using his own experience as support for the assertion.

No one said wiretapping doesn't go on. What is ludicrous is that Obama did it. That was the point Dennis. DUH! As far as our communications system in general, there is no privacy. If trump was talking to a foreign government on which the U.S. had sanctions, he should be tapped.

Bizzarro land flashback. Nixon once said 'In these difficult years, America has suffered from a fever of words; from inflated rhetoric that promises more than it can deliver; from angry rhetoric that fans discontents into hatreds; from bombastic rhetoric that postures instead of persuading. We cannot learn from one another until we stop shouting at one another, until we speak quietly enough so that our words can be heard as well as our voices'.

What is to be said about an almost 64 year old guy who finds a most singular quote from a man that my most memorable political meme was written on the Zoo's living room wall that said 'Why change Dicks in the middle of a screw' vote for Nixon in '72', makes some sort of sense.

This time I hope we Dems don't roll over and accept the pardons that are sure to come. We will come back and how we come back will determine how long we last.

Sell you soul to Faux news. Screw you.

Like Lieberman he was rejected as a presidential nominee and he has never forgiven the party for that rejection so now works actively against the party.