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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKeith Ellison Tells Disappointed Supporters To Buck Up
Progressives have faced tougher challenges, the new deputy chair of the Democratic National Committee said.
So dont tell me because youre frustrated about what happened in my DNC race or Bernies race or anybody elses race that you gonna throw your hands up, he added. Thats a bunch of crap right there. Buck up!
Skittles
(153,170 posts)He offers good advice. BUCK UP! We are *ALL* needed to fight the good fight.
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George II
(67,782 posts)Response to George II (Reply #6)
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JTFrog
(14,274 posts)This suggestion of "moving the party back to the left" is not only insulting, it's divisive.
still_one
(92,303 posts)for a long time
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still_one
(92,303 posts)with moving the party left or right
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still_one
(92,303 posts)Response to JTFrog (Reply #9)
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JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Insults all you got?
Does it make you feel superior to insult Democrats and their party? How'd that work out last election?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Does it make you feel superior to insult Democrats and their party? How'd that work out last election?
It appears that someone caught-on to the deception.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,644 posts)The status quo should remain as it is? It seems to me unity should be based on finding common ground, and not "my way or the highway". Finding common ground may include a significant shift in the DNC's positions and policies.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)But some people are never satisfied no matter what... it will never be enough. So why bother?
Fiendish Thingy
(15,644 posts)Then one should definitely "bother" to find out why, or risk losing more elections
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and when a national party moves too close toward the fringy edges, it risks LOSING more voters than it gains from those nether regions of the party extremists and purists.
So, I'll happily stand by my "no" response. That type is never satisfied. Nothing is ever enough. Placating them in the hopes of getting a mere handful of voters risks losing entire swaths of voters.
The trade-off isn't worth it. The fringe can adapt and accept reality, or just keep whining, or find someplace more to their liking like the Greens and Jill Stein. (That's what Susan Sarandon did.)
PS: Fuck Susan Sarandon.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,644 posts)Remember Obama was considered an extreme left socialist by some , and Center-right by others
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Elections are won in the middle, not the edges, not the fringes, not the low sides of the bell curve. You guys can flatter yourselves all you want and exaggerate your importance or numbers, but it won't change the facts. At best the only "power" the fringe has is as a spoiler in very close elections. And in those cases, we see the immaturity and vanity of people like Sarandon who'd rather "make a statement" instead of defeating the GOP candidate.
Lunatic fringe idiots like Susan Sarandon are sick in the head. People who vote emotionally, rather than strategically, are at a disadvantage and are more likely to lose (as we've often seen.)
PS: Fuck Susan Sarandon. Susan Sarandon can *** ** **** and **** ** **** or **** ** ***** while ***** * ***** ****.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,644 posts)Sanders sponsored delegates have taken over the party structure in California and several other states.
What is considered "centrist" currently in economic terms is what historically had been considered mainstream conservative for decades, until Dems started moving to the right in the 80's, thinking that's where mainstream America was politically, when in reality, most Americans, when asked about specific policy positions, align with traditional FDR/progressive values. Just because the media and the party leaders move the goalposts doesn't mean the general public has changed (again, speaking economically; social values is a whole other conversation)
Buying in to the neoliberal corporate agenda/narrative won't win more elections, but continue to ensure the election right wing "fringe" candidates
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)#BeLikeKeith #BuckUp
So dont tell me because youre frustrated about what happened in my DNC race or Bernies race or anybody elses race that you gonna throw your hands up, he added. Thats a bunch of crap right there. Buck up!
Fiendish Thingy
(15,644 posts)It doesn't mean one shouldn't stand up for the values you believe in, it just means don't let disappointment over the DNC election interfere with a unified fight against Trump.
A unified fight against Trump doesn't require one group to go along with the policy demands of another group.
P.S. I think Susan Sarandon is doing a great job playing Bette Davis in the miniseries "Feud". Interestingly, bitter rivals Davis and Joan Crawford were able to come together despite their differences and make what was probably the last great film either actress made, "Whatever Happened To Baby Jane?"
George II
(67,782 posts)CCC? PWA? CWA? WPA? NYA? Japanese Internment? etc.?
You do remember from your history lessons why many of those FDR values and policies were instituted, don't you?
Demsrule86
(68,620 posts)or we can just let Trump destroy this country while we fight amongst ourselves...rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
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spanone
(135,855 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)for the struggles ahead.
Hekate
(90,755 posts)riversedge
(70,264 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,422 posts)Last year's Presidential Election is over and the primary has been over even longer and we all need to unite right now to stop Trumpublicans from ruining the country. Time to put petty grievances aside and concentrate our fire on Trumpublicans. Ellison gets this.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)riversedge
(70,264 posts)Dave in VA
(2,038 posts)never surrender!
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I'd love to know which broseph from TYT he said this to--you can't tell from the hand on the mic.
mcar
(42,356 posts)Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)He is spot on. It's time to move forward. We have to dig in deep and unify. There is much work to do.
BainsBane
(53,038 posts)Character is tested through defeat, and Ellison shows his is strong.