I tend to lose my keys.

Better safe than sorry I always say.

As the attacker is "deserving of strong condemnation..." it seems a rather accurate.descriptor.

it is now open season on women-so "deplorable" fits.

Because that's what the man is. It's actually deplorable to use the term deplorable here.

"Grab 'em by the pussy," didn't work so well for this motherfucker.

Oh, he wasn't??? That doesn't make sense...I thought that's what the publicans were trying to protect us from!

We must Protect our Women™ from the evils of transgender people who are minding their own damn business.

But no need to worry about fucked up cis rapists, because boys will be boys or something.


I hate that she had to suffer this attack, but what a brilliant and courageous response!

I'm sure glad she fought. So glad she'd taken self-defense classes.

Used to be women were advised to be passive, do what he says.

I can't say that I would always do it. Neither would I say that it is always better to fight. I had to make immediate, instinctive judgment calls. Two of the times, I figured there was a good chance that the rapist would kill me afterwards anyway, so I fought. One of those times, the guy told me he was already wanted for murder in Colorado, so if I didn't comply or told anyone, he would come back and murder me. I did not doubt it.

I also have fought off several intrusions into my home as well as agressive people. Again, whether to fight or not requires a quick judgment call. There is not a categorical answer.

Just one story. I flew into Barcelona in graduate school. I was to reside with a Spanish family and attend the University. I took a cab from the airport, and I gave the driver my host family's address. He was chatty, and I was happy to be speaking Spanish. After a while, I noticed that we were getting on the edge of the city, and I finally located us on the map...this was before GPSs on our phones. I told him that he was going the wrong way. He argued, but he tried to remain friendly, at first. Then, it got heated. The speed increased a lot. He took me just out of the city to a relatively secluded place, parked, jumped into the back seat, doors were locked, and he started ripping my clothes off, and pulling his pants off. I bit him as hard as I could, a mouthful, into the fleshy area of his shoulder. I figured he would start beating me and we would fight, but maybe I could get to the front seat and get out. Anyway, he yelled like hell, and called me a bitch.
Then, he jumped back over the seat, bleeding heavily, holding his wound, while he was saying, "you don't want, okay."
He drove me to my home, about 30 minutes or so away. I never saw him again, but I avoided taxis. I was lucky.

that might not be warranted by the actual facts.

To wit, how long before we hear "see? This is what happens when men are allowed in womens bathrooms"

know for whom he voted. Of course being a rapist is deplorable and then some, but your use of the term, capitalized, in the title is misleading. I expected to read that he was an avowed Trump supporter. We shouldn't do this sort of thing. I am glad the woman in the story was able to fight off the attacker and that a passerby helped detain him until the police arrived. It underscores the importance of learning self defense techniques.

or civic engagement. Just a thought.

You're not a sex offender, right?

and not someone who A. dislikes my message, but can only attack it in a passive aggressive way or B. Actually believes I may be a sex offender.

DUer is a sex offender.

The "gentleman" in the article seems to be a follower.

before anyone heard of or "followed" the pervert-in-chief. Presumably the offense/s that led to Steiner's status as a registered sex offender predate the publication of Trump's disgusting comment. No need to make a bogus link between two things even if we legitimately hate them both.

Do you feel the rise in anti Semitic hate crimes has anything to do with the rise of the alt-right and trumpsters?

How about the assaults (and murders) on Muslims (or perceived Muslims)?

What about the reports of gay people being attacked by people shouting "this is trump country now"?

but is it the hill I want to die on, rhetorically? Not really.

Still, the offender is a homeless registered sex offender, with multiple violent convictions dating back to 1999. He's probably been doing this shit his entire adult life, sounds like. The attack took place in an isolated restroom, not a Trump rally.

The OP makes it sound like he was wearing a MAGA hat and chanting "build the wall" when he attacked this woman.

I think there are a lot of good takeaways one can get from this story, like the importance of situational awareness and the woman's quite inspirational story of fighting back and kicking dude's ass. But trying to draw some wider sociopolitical conclusions strikes me as a bit spurious.

Maybe people should be asking why a violent sex offender serves less than a decade in prison when granny gets 20 years for a couple pot plants in her basement to ease her arthritis pain.

I doubt this registered sex offender can even vote.

Silly to play the same games they do. We should be better than this.

Sigh.

The people who wanted to die on that rhetorical hill jumped in with both feet.

But I hear you. I was really responding to the argument this could no way no how be spurred by the rise of the MAGAs. I get tired of the right wing playing dumb when one of their wound up nut-bar followers follows through. Blow up a gay bar? Who could have known. Blow up an abortion clinic? Who could have known. Shoot up a liberal church? Who could have known. Synagogues being vandalized all around the country? Who could have known.

On the subject of knowing your surroundings. Yeah, we are having this discussion in our building right now. It appears we have a rapist in our neighborhood. My boyfriend and I have a standing offer to come outside whenever anyone feels something is hinky while parking. My one neighbor has been taking us up on the offer and asking us to watch out when she gets home late.

This was in my alley:

http://www.cwbchicago.com/2017/03/wrigleyville-carjacker-forces-woman.html

The guy in the bar in, what was it, KY? Or any of the other crimes where some asshat yells "get out of my country" and then attacks someone "furrin" looking?

There was another case in the Seattle area not too long ago, some guy in his own driveway and pickup truck McTrumpface pulls up and shoots him, again, with "get out of my country" or something similar.

Those cases- absolutely, there's a real connection IMHO. You'd have to be an idiot not to recognize it.

But this one, specifically, if you look at the actual facts of the case I think it's some other stuff going on that has nothing to do with our current political universe. Like I said, maybe more relevant that a multiple violent sex offender gets let out of prison while we have millions of people doing years and years for shit like smoking a joint.

This is not a "wound up Trump follower", which was really the impression the wording of the OP conveys. At least, that was my impression upon reading it before clicking the thread.

What bothers me more than anything, probably, are self-inflicted wounds. Now, is a thread on DU going to spell any difference in the overall success of the Democratic Party? Of course not. But I just see an awful lot of behavior that we view as Deplorable coming from our side. It adds up.

Edited to add: I always operate under the assumption that there are many more folks who lurk on DU than post. When I see flagrant dishonesty being displayed here, I frequently feel obligated to respond to make lurkers aware that not every Dem/liberal is willing to make slimy connections.

Convictions in '99, '08 and '15 at least?

We probably should be asking why we let rapists out of prison cells while we fill them with pot smokers, though.

NOT SAFE FOR WORK

Thank you in advance.

Posts like yours give me hope that there may be a chance that our side won't descend to the depths that some members of the other side have.

And the silly rationalization for assuming that the would be rapist was a Trump voter is that "Trump said that it was OK to grab......." is just that. A rationalization for bad behavior, and a damn obvious one at that. Are we better than this or are we not?!

de·plor·a·ble
dəˈplôrəb(a)l/
adjective
deserving strong condemnation.
"the deplorable conditions in which most prisoners are held"
synonyms: disgraceful, shameful, dishonorable, unworthy, inexcusable, unpardonable, unforgivable; More
shockingly bad in quality.
"her spelling was deplorable"
synonyms: lamentable, regrettable, unfortunate, wretched, atrocious, awful, terrible, dreadful, diabolical; More
Translations, word origin, and more definitions

Crispy crickets..

That's not how it works. You don't get to choose what it means. Language only works when we have a common understanding of it's meaning.

For instance, when Donald said 'Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower', nearly the entire planet understood what that meant. A few days later, the administration tried to redefine "wires tapped". And nobody believed it could mean the microwave was spying on him.

Trump has normalized aberrant behavior that was subterranean and brought it to the fore.

BTW, thanx for kicking my thread.

Thank you in advance.

The common understanding seems to have been lost.

I am glad/not glad that Deplorable has become to some a literal descriptor like , say, numismatist. philatelist, or onanist. It seems like an odd rhetorical hill to choose to die on as another member of of our community suggested.

Do I think the foiled sexual assaulter is literally a disciple of Donald Trump? Heck if I know, but I do know he has opened the Overton Window to accommodate a lot of aberrant behavior that was heretofore verboten.

I would be remiss if I didn't ask you to see post 93


Thank you in advance.

Thank you in advance.

I saw that...

Women do get tired of being bullied and turning the tables on the bully can feel very gratifying.

glad she is okay, quick thinking too.

Like there was a political element to the story which wasnt there.


http://metro.co.uk/2017/03/12/jogger-shouts-not-today-motherfer-while-fighting-off-sex-attacker-in-public-toilet-6504440/

Multiple convicted homeless registered sex offender- convicted of sexual assault in '99, more charges in '08 and '15.. hell,they probably let him out to make room for one of the millions of people serving mandatory minimum sentences for growing a marijuana plant in their basement.

Anyway, kudos to the woman for kicking his ass.

Still, the OP's wording would make more sense if he was wearing a MAGA hat when he pulled this shit.

sent me looking for a Trump connection.

Not everyone who does bad things is connected to Trump.

Anybody who voted for him was participating in it, giving permission for rape to continue.

This sick asshole was one deplorable motherfucker.

Deplorable is as Deplorables do.

by the pussy? Trump has made things worse for women. Feel free to disagree.

But he had his own issues with despicable behavior.

It's a big reason he was so successful. It fed him, not the other way around.

Our culture is built on it. Trump's a product of it, not the instigator.

Not everything bad has its roots in Trump.

Rape culture has existed pretty much forever. Men on Rape, by Timothy Benecke (1982) illustrated it very well using men's own words. When I volunteered at the rape crisis center for a decade in the late 70s/early 80s, I could have told you hundreds of stories like this one.

Yes, Trump gave permission for men to display their contempt for women more publicly. Without minimizing the violence of all rape, this kind of physical brutality by a stranger, out of the blue, is not what Trump "legitimized." He didn't hang out in bathroom stalls and physically brutalize strangers. He used his money and power to gain access to women.

No one who would have condemed this attack before thinks it's just fine and dandy now because of Trump.

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Indeed. Your small d is duly noted. As the capital D in the original post is duly noted.

Trying to pin this ONE SPECIFIC crime on Dolt 45 is just plain stupid. Just makes us look bad.

Edited to add word left out.

He was probably unable to vote.

Guns are deplorable aren't they?

That answered my question then, thanks.

DemocratSinceBirth
41. Only if they are used illegally

Are you suggesting guns are inherently deplorable:

Racism is deplorable

It was in some thread about a gay couple in TX buying guns for self defense which evolved into a discussion of Chicago gun violence and how people with legal guns (white people) really have no need as they have relatively risk free lives.

Your very narrow description will never fit me; a disabled older woman. I tell you if I was in fear of my life, as I would be if someone jumped at me in a public restroom, I would do my best to hurt or end their life.

assaulted, she'd had some self defense training that gave her the wherewithal to know she could strike back, and get away.

Great use of a 'beener too!

Highly recommend people take self-defense. It is such a weird feeling to fight people off who attack you out of the blue. it takes a good minute for most of us to be able to recall any training, unless you do it regularly.
While I appreciate that Turd does promote a rape culture, he probably didn't vote, probably has a felony conviction.

And pee quickly.

My husband has a small bladder and often has to stop at public toilets in parks. I always ask when he comes back from peeing, "Any pervert there?" and he answers, "Just me."

That ties it to Trump in a way that is not warranted here.

My view is that you are taking a story that has nothing to do with Trump and making it about Trump, and thus, my comment.

Obviously, you are free to ignore the advice.

(Or make a snarky comment in response to it)

But I would urge you at least to take a moment to consider making the change.

Trump has brought it to the fore. That along with anti-semitism, racism, Islamophobia, homophobia, nativism, xenophobia, and bigotry.

I certainly don't disagree with you on that point.

I am arguing his behavior has normalized a lot of behavior that was heretofore verboten in polite society. He has certainly opened up the Overton Window in the wrong direction.