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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump Will Get Away W/Mayhem Just Like Nixon, Reagan, & Bush. Thanks To GOP & MSM.
Nixon got away with treason for destroying Vietnam peace talks at least until Watergate.. Reagan got away with treason for making deal with Iranians during campaign, & Bush got away with lying us into war, screwing up the economy et al. No GOP president was elected fairly. Bush was appointed by a GOP Supreme Court.
The country was damaged. Millions of Americans suffered and even many died. And the GOP still prospers and now has control of government.
Who knows how much damage Trump and the GOP will do moving forward. All the mayhem goes unpunished and all the perpetrators who have destroyed so much just move on. Their lives are never effected despite the continuing damage.
It is hard not to be cynical about what is going on. I see little evidence that anything is really being stopped. Trump will be the most corrupt president ever and the GOP will be the most destructive ever. And nothing will happen to them and nothing will stop them.
Every day we are reminded of this crap by GOP operatives and the orange pig of how wrong thing are. Sure the press is exposing a lot of corruption. Yet these GOP bastards just keep moving forward.
When will the GOP suffer for all they caused. The fact that they now have so much control is just infuriating.
still_one
(92,394 posts)TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)about "more than circumstantial" evidence a bit misguided; ain't nothin' gonna happen. Repukes hold all the power right now.
still_one
(92,394 posts)"we should be thanking the Russians for what they did"
Codeine
(25,586 posts)still_one
(92,394 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)The Deplorables will stick with him to the bitter end , but they won't be enough to prevent a shellacking in 2018.
I will go out on a limb. If a smoking gun is found and the Pukes refuse to act they will lose the House and Senate despite the fact we have many more open seats to defend. Wei will also win a majority of state Houses and governor's mansions.
briv1016
(1,570 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)I resist.
Initech
(100,102 posts)And we're reaching the point where it may come to that. You can only abuse someone for so long before they start fighting back. And that's how the GOP wins elections. They abuse us and demonize anyone who doesn't follow their dangerous agenda 100% lockstep. And we, the populace, are getting very restless. If we don't take back 2018, it may very well come to a Civil War before these fuckers are removed from power. They're addicted to their majority and they won't go quietly.
briv1016
(1,570 posts)If conflict continues he moves on to other major (liberal) cities.
bdamomma
(63,922 posts)will be served in this chaotic, illegal mess. There is just too much evidence coming out.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)passion and activism of DU'ers? This is what we must ask ourselves when those in our midst try to tell us what we do does not matter, that there is no use in trying, that Trump and Putin will get away with it.
Fuck that noise.
[font size = 8]WE ARE THE RESISTANCE[/font]
BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)A pattern of negativity and attempts at sewing hopelessness. But don't take my word for it, do a little digging and it's clear.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)We find a smoking gun and the Republicans either impeach him or we punish them at the ballot box.
bdamomma
(63,922 posts)we cannot do this
because we are not going to lay down for this bunch of criminals. They have such disrespect for the American people.
Big Blue Marble
(5,150 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)and Jim McCord wrote a letter confirming the cover up.
Only after that did John Dean cooperate and his testimony, while impressive, was unsubstantiated until Butterfield confirmed the tapes.
Without either Sirica or the tapes he would have gotten away with it, and that was with a special prosecutor who was acting independently.
We don't have Sirica, tapes of meetings, or a special prosecutor.
The OP may well be right.
Big Blue Marble
(5,150 posts)until the coverup fell apart. Ultimately, the system worked. It is my expectation that
our constitution will once again pass this stress test. The stakes are greater than ever.
We are only in the beginning phase of this investigation; there will be much ahead that
cannot be predicted right now. As we know, this story changes every day. It is far
too soon to be pessimistic.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)As long as the President is in place and can give a pardon on the last day he can keep the underlings in line.
The fact is that cover ups work more often than not.
Everyone knows that Christie is guilty of instigating the bridge closure but with limited sentences so they don't give him up.
I am pessimistic that this will work out to an impeachment but it might work out to an article 25 removal.
The other main change over the last 40 years is that there was a Rockfeller wing of the Republican Party that found Nixon and right wing extremists as objectionable as the Democrats did, that is no longer the case.
But lets say that the system doesn't work, then we will have an excellent chance to take back the House in 2018 and have a real investigation. I think that is the most hopeful option. Only question is how much damage and how much war can Trump/Obannon start between now and then.
Big Blue Marble
(5,150 posts)our best hope is to win back the house and even the senate. It will take
more disclosure as well as other administrative failures to turn opinion.
My concern is how much money and Russian interference will be directed
to obfuscate the truth. We must be ready for the fight our lives.
Of course, there is still a chance that the Republicans will turn on Trump
if they sense their survival is dependent on ditching him, especially if he
can be replaced with Pence.
This political climate is by far the most risky and chaotic any of us
have seen, to think that it has only been two months and so much more
to come...!!!
Blue_Roses
(12,894 posts)especially with technology these days. Karma has a way of making her rounds. Nixon was on a short leash towards the end.
Stargleamer
(1,990 posts)(although one can make a case that by Ford's pardoning of him he may have gotten away with stuff he would have had to account for in court).
But he did get away with scuttling the Vietnam peace talks which the OP alluded to: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/yes-nixon-scuttled-the-vietnam-peace-talks-107623
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Judge Sirica threw a monkey wrench into it when he started handing out 40 year provisional sentences, see 14 above.
no_hypocrisy
(46,182 posts)He retired to California and then to toney Saddle River in New Jersey. He wrote books and was considered an elderly statesmen. Republicans still came to seek his "wisdom". He died a free man.
jalan48
(13,883 posts)The evidence will keep mounting for a special prosecutor and enough Republicans will go along to make it happen. Only those who have been implicated in the surveillance (Nunes maybe), will stonewall. In the end they want to keep their jobs (the next election is only 19+ months away) and the media is not going to let go of it.
Vinca
(50,303 posts)Suddenly there are millions of fact checkers weighing in and we aren't terribly silent if we think we're being snowed. I don't think Trump will last through his first term, but I'm more inclined to think he'll resign in a snit because, as he will put it, we just don't "appreciate his greatness." Whether he will be charged with anything is the unknown. Having lived through the Watergate era, this seems far worse than that crime.
Blue Dalek
(178 posts)Before the election, this site was filled with Hillary winning by a large margin. Didn't happen. I see the same again, most everyone here saying 45 will be impeached. I will believe it when I see it. And if it does happen, Pence will pardon 45 and anyone else because, "the country must move on" or some shit like that, as Ford pardoned Nixon.