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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 09:34 PM Mar 2017

Trump Will Get Away W/Mayhem Just Like Nixon, Reagan, & Bush. Thanks To GOP & MSM.

Nixon got away with treason for destroying Vietnam peace talks at least until Watergate.. Reagan got away with treason for making deal with Iranians during campaign, & Bush got away with lying us into war, screwing up the economy et al. No GOP president was elected fairly. Bush was appointed by a GOP Supreme Court.

The country was damaged. Millions of Americans suffered and even many died. And the GOP still prospers and now has control of government.

Who knows how much damage Trump and the GOP will do moving forward. All the mayhem goes unpunished and all the perpetrators who have destroyed so much just move on. Their lives are never effected despite the continuing damage.

It is hard not to be cynical about what is going on. I see little evidence that anything is really being stopped. Trump will be the most corrupt president ever and the GOP will be the most destructive ever. And nothing will happen to them and nothing will stop them.

Every day we are reminded of this crap by GOP operatives and the orange pig of how wrong thing are. Sure the press is exposing a lot of corruption. Yet these GOP bastards just keep moving forward.

When will the GOP suffer for all they caused. The fact that they now have so much control is just infuriating.

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Trump Will Get Away W/Mayhem Just Like Nixon, Reagan, & Bush. Thanks To GOP & MSM. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Mar 2017 OP
unfortunately, I believe you are right about trump still_one Mar 2017 #1
The Corruption & Mayhem Is Just Overwhelming. TheMastersNemesis Mar 2017 #2
I am finding all the triumphalism over the news Codeine Mar 2017 #3
I think it will even be worse than that. I think the narrative is going to change to still_one Mar 2017 #5
Wouldn't surprise me a goddamned bit. nt Codeine Mar 2017 #6
I hope I am wrong, and there are enough people to stop this travesty still_one Mar 2017 #8
If there's a smoking gun they will be forced to impeach him or pay at the ballot box. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #11
Expect a 50 state voter ID bill sometime mid to late next year. briv1016 Mar 2017 #21
If you think resistance is futile that's your prerogative. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #25
I keep saying it's going to take a war to remove them from power. Initech Mar 2017 #4
Any armed conflict results in Donald bombling (nuke) NYC and LA. briv1016 Mar 2017 #22
I am hoping justice bdamomma Mar 2017 #7
GOP has sold their soul.... HipChick Mar 2017 #9
I am so fucking sick of defeatism. Who stands the most to gain from discouraging the Maru Kitteh Mar 2017 #10
Knew who wrote the OP as soon as I saw the title BannonsLiver Mar 2017 #13
I think we are making nice progress... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #15
me too Maru. bdamomma Mar 2017 #28
Nixon did not get away; he resigned. NT Big Blue Marble Mar 2017 #12
His cover up was working until Judge Sirica imposed 40 year provisional sentences grantcart Mar 2017 #14
The pressure did build and the investigation continued Big Blue Marble Mar 2017 #17
However the cover up worked with Libby and the Plame affair grantcart Mar 2017 #19
I agree, Big Blue Marble Mar 2017 #20
We have more than that Blue_Roses Mar 2017 #24
He didn't get away with Watergate Stargleamer Mar 2017 #18
He did get away with it until the burlars were about to be sentenced grantcart Mar 2017 #23
Nixon was never formally held accountable. no_hypocrisy Mar 2017 #26
I would have agreed with you last week but after Monday's hearing I think Trump will go. jalan48 Mar 2017 #16
I don't know. Those were different times and we weren't all immediately connected as we are today. Vinca Mar 2017 #27
I agree with the OP Blue Dalek Mar 2017 #29
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
3. I am finding all the triumphalism over the news
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 09:37 PM
Mar 2017

about "more than circumstantial" evidence a bit misguided; ain't nothin' gonna happen. Repukes hold all the power right now.

still_one

(92,394 posts)
5. I think it will even be worse than that. I think the narrative is going to change to
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 09:42 PM
Mar 2017

"we should be thanking the Russians for what they did"

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
11. If there's a smoking gun they will be forced to impeach him or pay at the ballot box.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 09:53 PM
Mar 2017

The Deplorables will stick with him to the bitter end , but they won't be enough to prevent a shellacking in 2018.

I will go out on a limb. If a smoking gun is found and the Pukes refuse to act they will lose the House and Senate despite the fact we have many more open seats to defend. Wei will also win a majority of state Houses and governor's mansions.

Initech

(100,102 posts)
4. I keep saying it's going to take a war to remove them from power.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 09:42 PM
Mar 2017

And we're reaching the point where it may come to that. You can only abuse someone for so long before they start fighting back. And that's how the GOP wins elections. They abuse us and demonize anyone who doesn't follow their dangerous agenda 100% lockstep. And we, the populace, are getting very restless. If we don't take back 2018, it may very well come to a Civil War before these fuckers are removed from power. They're addicted to their majority and they won't go quietly.

briv1016

(1,570 posts)
22. Any armed conflict results in Donald bombling (nuke) NYC and LA.
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 01:59 AM
Mar 2017

If conflict continues he moves on to other major (liberal) cities.

bdamomma

(63,922 posts)
7. I am hoping justice
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 09:46 PM
Mar 2017

will be served in this chaotic, illegal mess. There is just too much evidence coming out.

Maru Kitteh

(28,342 posts)
10. I am so fucking sick of defeatism. Who stands the most to gain from discouraging the
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 09:52 PM
Mar 2017

passion and activism of DU'ers? This is what we must ask ourselves when those in our midst try to tell us what we do does not matter, that there is no use in trying, that Trump and Putin will get away with it.

Fuck that noise.

[font size = 8]WE ARE THE RESISTANCE[/font]



BannonsLiver

(16,448 posts)
13. Knew who wrote the OP as soon as I saw the title
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 10:03 PM
Mar 2017

A pattern of negativity and attempts at sewing hopelessness. But don't take my word for it, do a little digging and it's clear.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
15. I think we are making nice progress...
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 10:13 PM
Mar 2017

We find a smoking gun and the Republicans either impeach him or we punish them at the ballot box.

bdamomma

(63,922 posts)
28. me too Maru.
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 08:28 AM
Mar 2017

we cannot do this

because we are not going to lay down for this bunch of criminals. They have such disrespect for the American people.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
14. His cover up was working until Judge Sirica imposed 40 year provisional sentences
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 10:10 PM
Mar 2017

and Jim McCord wrote a letter confirming the cover up.

Only after that did John Dean cooperate and his testimony, while impressive, was unsubstantiated until Butterfield confirmed the tapes.

Without either Sirica or the tapes he would have gotten away with it, and that was with a special prosecutor who was acting independently.

We don't have Sirica, tapes of meetings, or a special prosecutor.

The OP may well be right.

Big Blue Marble

(5,150 posts)
17. The pressure did build and the investigation continued
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 10:21 PM
Mar 2017

until the coverup fell apart. Ultimately, the system worked. It is my expectation that
our constitution will once again pass this stress test. The stakes are greater than ever.

We are only in the beginning phase of this investigation; there will be much ahead that
cannot be predicted right now. As we know, this story changes every day. It is far
too soon to be pessimistic.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
19. However the cover up worked with Libby and the Plame affair
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 01:29 AM
Mar 2017

As long as the President is in place and can give a pardon on the last day he can keep the underlings in line.

The fact is that cover ups work more often than not.

Everyone knows that Christie is guilty of instigating the bridge closure but with limited sentences so they don't give him up.

I am pessimistic that this will work out to an impeachment but it might work out to an article 25 removal.

The other main change over the last 40 years is that there was a Rockfeller wing of the Republican Party that found Nixon and right wing extremists as objectionable as the Democrats did, that is no longer the case.

But lets say that the system doesn't work, then we will have an excellent chance to take back the House in 2018 and have a real investigation. I think that is the most hopeful option. Only question is how much damage and how much war can Trump/Obannon start between now and then.

Big Blue Marble

(5,150 posts)
20. I agree,
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 01:50 AM
Mar 2017

our best hope is to win back the house and even the senate. It will take
more disclosure as well as other administrative failures to turn opinion.

My concern is how much money and Russian interference will be directed
to obfuscate the truth. We must be ready for the fight our lives.

Of course, there is still a chance that the Republicans will turn on Trump
if they sense their survival is dependent on ditching him, especially if he
can be replaced with Pence.

This political climate is by far the most risky and chaotic any of us
have seen, to think that it has only been two months and so much more
to come...!!!

Blue_Roses

(12,894 posts)
24. We have more than that
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 05:35 AM
Mar 2017

especially with technology these days. Karma has a way of making her rounds. Nixon was on a short leash towards the end.

Stargleamer

(1,990 posts)
18. He didn't get away with Watergate
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 11:42 PM
Mar 2017

(although one can make a case that by Ford's pardoning of him he may have gotten away with stuff he would have had to account for in court).

But he did get away with scuttling the Vietnam peace talks which the OP alluded to: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/yes-nixon-scuttled-the-vietnam-peace-talks-107623

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
23. He did get away with it until the burlars were about to be sentenced
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 03:10 AM
Mar 2017

Judge Sirica threw a monkey wrench into it when he started handing out 40 year provisional sentences, see 14 above.

no_hypocrisy

(46,182 posts)
26. Nixon was never formally held accountable.
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 07:41 AM
Mar 2017

He retired to California and then to toney Saddle River in New Jersey. He wrote books and was considered an elderly statesmen. Republicans still came to seek his "wisdom". He died a free man.

jalan48

(13,883 posts)
16. I would have agreed with you last week but after Monday's hearing I think Trump will go.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 10:15 PM
Mar 2017

The evidence will keep mounting for a special prosecutor and enough Republicans will go along to make it happen. Only those who have been implicated in the surveillance (Nunes maybe), will stonewall. In the end they want to keep their jobs (the next election is only 19+ months away) and the media is not going to let go of it.

Vinca

(50,303 posts)
27. I don't know. Those were different times and we weren't all immediately connected as we are today.
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 07:41 AM
Mar 2017

Suddenly there are millions of fact checkers weighing in and we aren't terribly silent if we think we're being snowed. I don't think Trump will last through his first term, but I'm more inclined to think he'll resign in a snit because, as he will put it, we just don't "appreciate his greatness." Whether he will be charged with anything is the unknown. Having lived through the Watergate era, this seems far worse than that crime.

Blue Dalek

(178 posts)
29. I agree with the OP
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 08:51 AM
Mar 2017

Before the election, this site was filled with Hillary winning by a large margin. Didn't happen. I see the same again, most everyone here saying 45 will be impeached. I will believe it when I see it. And if it does happen, Pence will pardon 45 and anyone else because, "the country must move on" or some shit like that, as Ford pardoned Nixon.

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