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backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 11:07 PM Jun 2012

Every progressive needs to know this! Don't fall into the rationality trap. Persuade through values!

Start by reading this article:

http://www.alternet.org/books/156057/george_lakoff%3A_how_right-wingers_scam_people_into_buying_their_toxic_philosophy_/

George Lakoff: How Right-Wingers Scam People Into Buying Their Toxic Philosophy
Here is what progressives can learn from right-wing messaging.
June 29, 2012

Progressives often find themselves explaining the details of their preferred policies, and arguing that they would maximize the common good if enacted. Conservatives, on the other hand, tend to eschew the fine print to embrace sweeping, moral narratives to back their positions. For the Right, debates over concrete public policies are often framed as contests between good and evil, freedom and tyranny; that's how, for example, conservatives can transform a modest 3 percent tax hike on the wealthiest Americans into pernicious “class warfare” and an intolerable example of “socialism.”

Call it a "rationality trap." For years, George Lakoff, a cognitive linguist at the University of California Berkeley, has argued that these tendencies put progressives at a huge disadvantage in our political discourse because the human brain simply doesn't process information in coolly analytical terms. Rather, people judge ideas against a larger moral framework, and by offering policy analysis rather than morality tales, liberals go to bat for their policies two strikes down in the count.

Lakoff and co-author Elisabeth Wehling discuss how these dynamics play out every day in American political debates in his new book, The Little Blue Book: The Essential Guide to Thinking and Talking Democratic. He appeared on this week's AlterNet Radio Hour; below is a lightly edited transcript of the discussion (you can listen to the whole show here).


Or let me put it this way. As progressives, we're pretty smart, on average. We went to school. We know how to read, do math, we understand at least a little science, we can analyze and use our knowledge to develop our opinions. For example, we can look at the chart of average temperatures for the past century, also look at the chart of CO2 levels over the same time period, see a correlation, and consider that to be evidence of man-made global climate change. If you wanted, you could go to the library, see the peer-reviewed journal articles on the subject and see even more evidence. We can use Google, we can look at current events from different angles - I for one read both DU and Free Republic (granted, I think the denizens of Free Republic are full of shit, and every time I wander over there, my belief is again confirmed.) We're capable of critical thinking and rational analysis.

Does the average Joe Schmoe engage in critical thinking and rational analysis? NO.

That's why the right-wing propaganda works. We all know the facts. We know that Pres. Obama is far from a Marxist, we know that he was born in Hawaii, not Kenya, yet MILLIONS of people across the country believe otherwise!

The problem is that as progressives, and as reasonably intelligent people, we keep falling into the rationality trap. We assume that because we were persuaded by examining the facts, seeing multiple opinions, using critical thinking, identifying fallacies, and analyzing data to come up with reason-based positions on the issues, that everyone will be persuaded that way.

But that's not true. You can persuade Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Stephen Hawking and Richard Dawkins by presenting them with a scientific theory and supporting that theory with evidence, but Joe Redneck from Bumfuck, Mississippi doesn't think that way.

So how do you reach enough people to get a majority and win elections? You've got to understand messaging and values.

Let me give you an example.

Wrong way to talk about global warming:

"Carbon dioxide levels in Earth's atmosphere have risen to 392ppm, which is the highest it has been for 650,000 years. As a result, global temperatures have already risen by 1.5 degrees, and are estimated to rise dramatically in the near future."




Joe Redneck isn't going to process that. He's got other things on his mind.

Let's try a different approach.

A better way to talk about global warming:

"We must be better stewards of our Earth. Because we are polluting the atmosphere with industrial filth and damaging Earth's climate, we are inflicting storms, famine, drought, floods, disease and death upon countless millions of the most vulnerable people on Earth, from India to New Orleans, just so we can have a cheap electric bill.

We need to take responsibility, make those that defile our planet clean up their messes and leave a world everyone can live in."


That's a values-based approach. What I did was to create a frame through which I could talk about climate change from a moral perspective. Look at the values I threw into this statement: stewardship, responsibility, cleanliness, justice, caring for and helping each other. FAR more persuasive. I'm not even bothering to show the data behind my assertions, though you're more than free to look up the effects of global climate change on storm frequency and intensity, drought frequency and intensity, spread of previously tropical diseases like malaria, ability to grow crops, especially in equatorial climes... Rather than giving them the data, I'm using values cues - making people feel bad for the misery they're inflicting upon others, making them feel like they need to clean their messes, leave our home in better condition than they found it, and they need to fix what they broke. I even threw in a religion-based appeal - "stewards of the Earth" to reinforce the values I'm trying to put through.

Don't fall into the rationality trap. Persuade through values. Otherwise, Joe Redneck is going to be persuaded by the asshats on FOX News saying Obama's a Muslim, Kenyan, Atheist, Communist Fascist who wants to steal your freedom and force you to pay for food stamps for welfare queens driving Cadillacs.

As George Lakoff is trying to tell us, morality is at the core of politics. As progressives, we have a very solid moral core, and some very strong values. We just need to work on getting people to see our values and morals.
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Every progressive needs to know this! Don't fall into the rationality trap. Persuade through values! (Original Post) backscatter712 Jun 2012 OP
Speaking their language RobertEarl Jul 2012 #1
Hmm. I'm not sure "Joe Redneck" cares about the people of... WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2012 #2
I see that as a much better strategy. Thanks. freshwest Jul 2012 #3
We're all political junkies, so we get excited by facts and statistics, PBass Jul 2012 #4
Joe Redneck is probably a Dominionist dogknob Jul 2012 #5
So since we've now learned about this strategy, Jamaal510 Jul 2012 #6
Have facts and statistics done any good at FR? randome Jul 2012 #10
A better way to talk about global warming: Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #7
We need more pieces like this Scootaloo Jul 2012 #8
I am starting to look at things this way about the less intelligent KatChatter Jul 2012 #9
Problem is DonCoquixote Jul 2012 #11
then you best be prepared KatChatter Jul 2012 #12
this is correct ibegurpard Jul 2012 #13
This has been my approach all along. Ship of Fools Jul 2012 #14
Hmm... ananda Jul 2012 #15
I agree. I was scrolling down to say the same thing, plus more. yardwork Jul 2012 #17
IMO this approach shows a contempt toward most voters treestar Jul 2012 #16
Maybe so, but at the same time, anyone engaging in persuasion needs to understand human psychology. backscatter712 Jul 2012 #19
We can't be Vulcans, but we don't have to be treestar Jul 2012 #20
Better yet, combine both methods, MadHound Jul 2012 #18
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
1. Speaking their language
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 12:24 AM
Jul 2012

They understand crude. Force and passion.

They get it when you explain Obama this way:
He is just a man who came up like most of us. Oppressed and hated. He rose up, became educated, made friends with the right people and was able to run for president. He then stepped into an awful mess of two sides fighting tooth and nail, and he has manged to hold it together and make some progress against great odds.

If nothing else, he is the American Dream, come true. He has made it this far and he is able to go further and make you proud if you just give him one more chance.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
2. Hmm. I'm not sure "Joe Redneck" cares about the people of...
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 12:40 AM
Jul 2012

New Orleans or India, but I agree with Lakoff in that we need to do a MUCH better job of framing.

Remember the "Kick their ass and steal their gas!" signs re: Iraq during the Bush reign? They don't care about Iraqi children getting blown up; they care about their God-given right to oil. A friend's hardcore wingnut father, in a discussion about Somalia, responded with "it's their fault for being born there." Conservatives lack empathy, or have a twisted notion of it. And they seem to interpret being "stewards of the Earth" as "man can do whatever he wants to it." Or at least that's what my church-going, conservative neighbor tells me.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but something's gotta give.

PBass

(1,537 posts)
4. We're all political junkies, so we get excited by facts and statistics,
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 01:41 AM
Jul 2012

but for the average person, their eyes start to glaze over when you start talking about statistics, percentages, Congressional procedures, and so on. They think they're being lectured, and then there's going to be a Final Exam.

(Besides moral framing, another thing that seems to work well -- in my opinion -- is humor, but I will defer to George Lakoff's expertise.)

How come George Lakoff doesn't have a staff position at the DSCC or DCCC?

dogknob

(2,431 posts)
5. Joe Redneck is probably a Dominionist
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 02:07 AM
Jul 2012

...and is likely to dismiss any pro-environment argument as simply going against God's plan for us to use the Earth as we wish.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
10. Have facts and statistics done any good at FR?
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:35 AM
Jul 2012

FR is just a subset of the echo chamber, anyways, hardly representative of what goes on in public discourse.

I think the article is spot on. You cannot convince idiots that they are idiots by pushing facts under their noses. You have to wean them from their idiocy with a more emotional approach.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
7. A better way to talk about global warming:
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 02:16 AM
Jul 2012

To a religious type you say: God is watching what we are doing to his beautiful creation.

That's the way preachers USED to talk before the Right Wing infiltrated the Church and made it a get rich quick scheme where all you have to do is listen to a series of cassettes and you too can be happy and healthy and have a nice home and a good wife and obedient and respectful kids and a dog that doesn't crap in the house.

Now on CDs.

Order now and you can get this limited edition audio CD telling you Democrats are working for Satan.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
8. We need more pieces like this
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 02:40 AM
Jul 2012

It stuns me how few on hte left seem to understand messaging. I mean, they understand it conceptually, but usually they either have no idea how to put it to use or, more often, have a knee-jerk reaction against messaging and propaganda.

We have winning positions folks. Read this article, and Backscatter's commentary. Think about how to convey those positions in a wy that will sway people - convincing someone of "just the facts" doesn't persuade them.

 

KatChatter

(194 posts)
9. I am starting to look at things this way about the less intelligent
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:16 AM
Jul 2012

who continue to vote GOP.

Seeing that I believe in science and evolution I am going to let natural selection be my guide and if Darwin was right, they will eventually become extinct by a large variety of ways.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
13. this is correct
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:32 AM
Jul 2012

And part of it is the "information overload" that has come about since the advent of 24 hour news and the Internet. People make decisions based upon their own values and not "the facts" because the facts can be completely different depending upon who's trying to spin them to a particular advantage.

Ship of Fools

(1,453 posts)
14. This has been my approach all along.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:31 AM
Jul 2012

I talk to Tbaggers left and right, within extended family and
through my husband to people with whom he works. I keep
it at a gut level, mainly because I'm not equipped to do it at
a level very much higher than that. I could sit down, memorize
stats, etc., like anyone else, but to marry stats with a persuasive
narrative is next to impossible for me (as a person who couldn't
debate herself out of a paper bag). But believe me, gut level works.
Especially if you have gained respect by those same folks for
reasons other than intellectual fortitude, which they really despise anyway.

Short, simple, to the point. I don't even try to persuade by
using examples of empathy, as they lack empathy. Just trying to persuade them
that everyone is being screwed, regardless of political persuasion.
If you can convince them that, then you're halfway there.

Just one woman's opinion.

ananda

(28,879 posts)
15. Hmm...
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:35 AM
Jul 2012

I agree that bullies have to be stood up to.

But I'm really tired of Lakoff and blame the victim stuff.

We Dems and liberals are doing just fine if we keep our
humanity, our intelligence, and our rationality.

Of course, speaking from heartsmart values is good, it's
a natural thing for EVERYONE to do. But speaking from
intelligence and rationality is great too. It elevates the
dialogue and raises consciousness.

The problem isn't leftwing messaging; it's the way that
rightwing messaging is given street cred through a culpable
media.

yardwork

(61,712 posts)
17. I agree. I was scrolling down to say the same thing, plus more.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:44 AM
Jul 2012

I think that the left does use emotional language to make our case. I hear a lot of people speak in broad, sweeping terms about the destruction of the Earth and the immorality of abandoning the poor and the sick. The trouble is that we don't own the media. The corporations do,

treestar

(82,383 posts)
16. IMO this approach shows a contempt toward most voters
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:42 AM
Jul 2012

How can we manipulate them better? In essence, he's saying they can be manipulated better with emotional arguments.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
19. Maybe so, but at the same time, anyone engaging in persuasion needs to understand human psychology.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:03 AM
Jul 2012

The fact is we don't live on planet Vulcan. If we did, we can make our case with peer-reviewed journal articles and presentations of scientific evidence, and our leaders would do the right thing with a snappy Vulcan salute and "Live long and prosper."

Humans are emotional beings, and logical thought is difficult for us. Most people don't make decisions through logic. They're persuaded with emotional appeals that tug at their moral urges.

If we want to win, we must understand this.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
20. We can't be Vulcans, but we don't have to be
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 12:21 PM
Jul 2012

thoughtless people who can be manipulated entirely by our emotions. We wouldn't have universities or published journals or any science at all then. I don't know the word for the opposite of Vulcans, but those who subsist on emotions only are completely ineffective. Vulcans at least write the journals.

We shouldn't be encouraging people to act more on emotions than logic. People are capable of using logic and ought to favor it at least slightly.

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