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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIMO, this is the time for a Democratic member of the House to file a impeachment motion.
Now that Trump has declared war against a caucus of his own party there may be even votes to call the motion.
Sedona
(3,769 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,214 posts)or for him to resign? Does it make a difference?
CK_John
(10,005 posts)woodsprite
(11,924 posts)CK_John
(10,005 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,214 posts)And the margin in the Senate is razor thin.
I would prefer that it go through the impeachment process because I want EVERYTHING to be uncovered, including Pence's involvement.
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)(that means at least 19 Republicans).
If not, you've effectively acquitted him.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)If you initiate Impeachment charges, you MUST carry it through to conviction and removal. Any other outcome is worse than doing nothing.
Did Republicans succeed because they were able to successfully impeach (but NOT CONVICT) Bill Clinton?
Thrill
(19,178 posts)He has the grapefruits to do it
GitRDun
(1,846 posts)I like the sentiment but there is not enough public information to support a charge.
The Nunes story does not have enough dots connected.
Sally Yates has not testified.
Only the how Russia did it picture is starting to form.
I think we will get there in the end, but it's too soon.
Just my opinion.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)Just impeach him for not supporting the constitution.
GitRDun
(1,846 posts)I would prefer we get it done when it will stick.
If we go too early and don't get convictions this entire episode will become the "I told ya so" for every crooked Republican out there to use in his denial.
There's too much at stake here to take chances like that.
Again, just my opinion.
marybourg
(12,634 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)done yet...needs to bake a little more.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)Lochloosa
(16,068 posts)Besides, he would have to find someone to the RIGHT of these idiots. Good luck with that.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)CK_John
(10,005 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)pointing to all of them. If we get rid of Trump now the others might get away with their crimes and we're back to the Russians hacking our elections in 2018 and 2020.
Sometimes it's best to be patient. It will pay off much more. We really do need to get to the absolute bottom of this.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Doing pointless nonsense isn't a winning strategy either.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)When the case for impeachment comes, I want it to be 100% airtight...
CK_John
(10,005 posts)Trump will check into a medical facility, on the government dime, one with a golf course, of course.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and I can live with that, just as long as he gets the fuck out
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)We need one of two things to make an impeachment work. One of them - a majority in the House and at least 66 Democrats in the Senate - we MIGHT be able to get in a possible (there is a nonzero chance Orange Hitler gets reelected) second Trump term. We could have done it in November, but it would have required running the table in the Senate races.
The other thing is more likely, if we can convince enough Republicans to sign off on it: a thorough investigation of Trump's business dealings and political sycophants. If we can prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that Trump is engaged in conduct so egregiously illegal that the voters issue Congress an "either you or him" ultimatum, he's gone.
Without that kind of investigation, Trump will survive impeachment and he'll get worse. With it, we can take down not only Trump but also Pence, Trump's entire cabinet, AND, if we can prove pre-election criminality that would have kept him from getting elected if it was known to the public, Neil Gorsuch.
a few more congressional defeats and he'll use twitter to name call and alienate the entire house and senate and make impeachment an easy choice for them.
OnDoutside
(19,970 posts)Gothmog
(145,554 posts)It also takes 67 votes to convict and remove trump. That is not going to happen
still_one
(92,394 posts)though trump declared war against the freedom caucus, I doubt they will exercise that route