Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
18 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Rachel is devouring Pence's (Original Post) malaise Mar 2017 OP
Bring them down! Ilsa Mar 2017 #1
+1,000 malaise Mar 2017 #2
Indict / impeach tRump & Pence on the same day: Force Ryan into Pres spot (stay with me here) Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #3
that is AWESOMELY awesome news! Gabi Hayes Mar 2017 #4
she's reading an article: Is the Trump Whitehouse Spying on the FBI?????? Gabi Hayes Mar 2017 #6
This is a rogue government malaise Mar 2017 #7
Ho-lee Shit! I love the way he builds up to the climax and leaves it there. Cue Law and Order sound NBachers Mar 2017 #10
Wow THIS PART! Maraya1969 Mar 2017 #11
Ha and YAY!! babylonsister Mar 2017 #5
How sweet it is malaise Mar 2017 #8
Tried reading wiki on this duncang Mar 2017 #9
Speaker becomes the president and they choose the Veep eleny Mar 2017 #12
Her devouring him I can't see... Chicago1980 Mar 2017 #13
There should be something in our constitution that says if an election is proved to be stolen Maraya1969 Mar 2017 #14
Yep malaise Mar 2017 #15
Saw where Pence was Manafort's VP pick fot DJT. Trump was going for dae Mar 2017 #16
Yep malaise Mar 2017 #17
Yeah, you have wonder what DeminPennswoods Mar 2017 #18

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,027 posts)
3. Indict / impeach tRump & Pence on the same day: Force Ryan into Pres spot (stay with me here)
Thu Mar 30, 2017, 09:20 PM
Mar 2017

We don't want Ryan as President, but he doesn't want it now either because he wants to be 2024's Reagan to 2020's version of Carter.

If tRump & Pence go one by one, the one or the other will appoint VP successors and Ryan can politely decline if offered.

But if they both get incapacitated at the same time, per 25th Amendment, Ryan gets forced in automatically as President by the line of succession. Then he could resign but that would eliminate his chances of being Pres ever again. If he doesn't resign, then he becomes 2018's Ford and serves a two year term only.
 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
6. she's reading an article: Is the Trump Whitehouse Spying on the FBI??????
Thu Mar 30, 2017, 09:29 PM
Mar 2017

!!!!!!!!!!

https://tcf.org/content/commentary/trump-white-house-spying-fbi/

this is what she's reading

gotta read to the end to get the point..........

Nunes, the House Intelligence Committee chairman, has stoutly maintained that “whistleblowers” informed him of electronic surveillance that swept in President Trump and his associates during the course of eavesdropping operations against foreign intelligence targets—and moreover that their names were not properly masked in the reports. Those facts alone, without further detail, are almost certainly classified as top secret, sensitive compartmented information. So naturally Nunes told reporters as soon as he heard.

This week it emerged that Nunes had met his whistleblowers on the grounds of the White House. That meant he left 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, caught a ride to the Capitol, held a news conference, and only then drove back to the White House to deliver the ostensibly urgent news to President Trump. Today we learned definitively that the whole performance was a charade.

The intelligence chairman’s sources, according to the New York Times, were a pair of Trump appointees: Ezra Cohen-Watnick, a detailee from the Defense Intelligence Agency who is senior director for intelligence at the National Security Council, and Michael Ellis, an assistant White House counsel for national security affairs. They are not just any presidential appointees. National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster recently tried to fire Cohen-Watnick, a holdover selected by his predecessor, Michael Flynn, and Trump himself ordered McMaster to stand down. Ellis, the White House lawyer, used to work for Nunes on the intelligence committee.

If the Times report is accurate, there seem to be two significant breaches of the rules governing classified information. I stipulate that I am not an ideal messenger here, given my role in Ed Snowden’s NSA disclosures, and I also stipulate that news organizations are using classified leaks to track the Russia investigation. But journalists are not generally bound by secrecy regulations, and sometimes we cannot do our jobs without publishing classified facts. This case is different. Three named officials—two Trump appointees and arguably his leading defender on the Hill—appear to have engaged in precisely the behavior that the president describes as the true national security threat posed by the Russia debate. Secrecy regulations, including SF312, the Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement, do not permit Ellis and Cohen-Watnick to distribute sensitive compartmented information through a back channel to Nunes. This is true, and their conduct no less an offense, even though Nunes holds clearances sufficient to receive the information through proper channels. The offense, which in some cases can be prosecuted as a felony, would apply even if the White House officials showed Nunes only “tearsheet” summaries of the surveillance reports. Based on what Nunes has said in public, they appear to have showed him the more sensitive verbatim transcripts. Those are always classified as TS/SI (special intelligence) or TS/COMINT (communications intelligence), which means that they could reveal sources and methods if disclosed. That is the first apparent breach of secrecy rules. The second, of course, is the impromptu Nunes news conference. There is no unclassified way to speak in public about the identity of a target or an “incidentally collected” communicant in a surveillance operation.

NBachers

(17,133 posts)
10. Ho-lee Shit! I love the way he builds up to the climax and leaves it there. Cue Law and Order sound
Thu Mar 30, 2017, 11:17 PM
Mar 2017


The sound was composed by longtime TV composer Mike Post. Post told Entertainment Weekly back in 1993 that he envisioned the effect as a “stylized sound of a jail cell locking.”

Maraya1969

(22,490 posts)
11. Wow THIS PART!
Thu Mar 30, 2017, 11:21 PM
Mar 2017
Those are always classified as TS/SI (special intelligence) or TS/COMINT (communications intelligence), which means that they could reveal sources and methods if disclosed.

Somehow by doing what he did he may have compromised the US's ability to gather intelligence and perhaps put people in danger?

He sounds like a Putin puppet that wants to destabilize the US just like the ones in Europe are doing.

These people scare the shit out of me.

duncang

(1,907 posts)
9. Tried reading wiki on this
Thu Mar 30, 2017, 10:06 PM
Mar 2017

But what happens if both the prez and vice prez are booted at the same time?

Would it be the turtle as prez and someone nominated by the senate for vice prez?

Maraya1969

(22,490 posts)
14. There should be something in our constitution that says if an election is proved to be stolen
Thu Mar 30, 2017, 11:25 PM
Mar 2017

even after the thief president takes over then the legitimate winner should be placed in office and the other sent packing.

Not only did the steal the presidency that caused us to loose all sorts of seats in Congress and the Senate. Remember how all the statisticians were saying that we could have easily taken back the Senate and gained a whole bunch of seats in Congress?

And then it didn't happen, just like Hillary.

dae

(3,396 posts)
16. Saw where Pence was Manafort's VP pick fot DJT. Trump was going for
Thu Mar 30, 2017, 11:43 PM
Mar 2017

Christie but Manafort & Pence squeezed him hard.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Rachel is devouring Pence...