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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPence wont eat with a women who isnt his wife?
Is that right??
Each to their own, but that is just plain weird?
Seriously, its just strange.
Did he say his reasoning?
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,806 posts)He won't eat alone with a woman who isn't his wife. And that's as weird as hell.
brettdale
(12,383 posts)But some strange religious belief?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,806 posts)Pence is a fundamentalist Christian who apparently think all women are evil temptresses, so to avoid being tempted he can't have dinner with another woman who isn't his wife unless he is chaperoned in order to keep him from jumping her bones.
Cha
(297,503 posts)babies, tho.. to name a couple of glaring anti-Christ beliefs.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,806 posts)with harlotish women who want to sap his precious bodily fluids? If I were younger and hotter I'd want to have dinner with him just so I could eat bananas and sausages in front of him, and tie knots in cherry stems with my tongue.
Cha
(297,503 posts)"Christian".
pangaia
(24,324 posts)So may I ?
"
General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about war?
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No, I don't think I do, sir, no.
General Jack D. Ripper: He said war was too important to be left to the generals. When he said that, 50 years ago, he might have been right. But today, war is too important to be left to politicians. They have neither the time, the training, nor the inclination for strategic thought. I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)Docreed2003
(16,869 posts)My dad used to tie knots in cherry stems every time he'd get a mixed drink with them in it. He'd say: "One day, if you learn this...it might come in handy." On my first date with my wife, we had lunch at a cafe in New Orleans and I had a "Hurricane" with a cherry as garnishment, with stem attached. I proceeded to show that trick to my future wife and, well she's been with me ever since...
atreides1
(16,087 posts)Pence is a "Christian", but not a follower of Christ!
Cha
(297,503 posts)the Bible but I do remember a quote of Christ's that said.. there would be those who use his name... oh here's the quote..
..and I think it fits ol pence, trump.. and all those who lie and cheat, etc and claim to be "Christians".
Matthew 24:4-5 would be: Take heed that no one deceives you. For many shall come claiming to represent Me, saying that I [Jesus] am the Christ, yet shall deceive many. That is, they would proclaim Jesus as the biblical Messiah and would claim to be His representativesbut they actually would be part of a massive religious deception.
https://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/the-surprising-sayings-of-jesus-christ-many-false-prophets-will-arise-and-deceive-many
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)AJT
(5,240 posts)Chiyo-chichi
(3,584 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,188 posts)Safer to just not eat at all, I would think. And by all means, avoid NOW conventions.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)FDRsGhost
(470 posts)MontanaMama
(23,334 posts)Seriously batshit.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)during spring break. He doesn't want to be featured in VPs Gone Wild.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)that wasn't his wife. If he was going to meet a woman he would leave the door open.
It is a technique to make sure that you can't be accused of an affair.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)What the ever loving fuck. This is sick!
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)But he has to play a Christian.
That's weird.
Historic NY
(37,452 posts)like mommie.
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RoadhogRidesAgain
(165 posts)This is what religion does to people
Catherine Vincent
(34,491 posts)One of my co-workers is the same way,
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)He's married and it is about having respect for his wife. He doesn't want her to ever wonder about his intentions or anyone else's in any situation that can sew doubt.
I understand a good relationship rests on trust but in any good relationship, you don't need to invite in trouble, either.
There's plenty of reasons to find him creepy and shady as fuck. This isn't one. I get this. And I respect it. Different strokes...
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,806 posts)in any high-level job. People in those positions often end up eating with "the boss," and Pence's medieval attitude really means that he won't ever hire a woman to work for or with him in a responsible job that by its nature involves irregular hours that necessitate (gasp!) eating.
I had a job that involved occasionally eating meals and even overnight traveling with co-workers who were married to women who were not me. There was never even a thought of hanky-panky, by me or the men or anyone else. Pence's attitude is terribly insulting to professional women because it assumes they are temptresses who can't be trusted alone with married men, and of course it prevents them from being hired at all for certain jobs.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)It wouldn't preclude the hiring of a woman to a high level position.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,806 posts)I could not have done my job if my co-workers thought the way he did.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Again, I don't think is rooted in sexism. Just a different approach to commitment. Different strokes.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)It assumes that men are unable to interact with women without attraction coming into it. It's also probably his ego saying he's still good enough for women to want to have an affair with him.
It makes me think "god, what a dick" about him. If a woman had a similar rule about men, I'd think "who does she think she is - Cleopatra? What a diva".
MichMary
(1,714 posts)This is a restriction he places on HIMSELF, not on women. He can make all the rules he wants about his own behavior, and it won't bother me a bit. When he imposes his rules on others, well, that's when I have a problem with him.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)It's insulting to say they have to have a chaperone. This isn't about what he eats; it's about who he eats with, and thus by definition it is imposed on others.
It's over a hundred years out of date. Women are independent humans, whose interactions with other humans are not always based on the fact of them being women.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)than an intimate little candlelight dinner for two.
My dh works with a bunch of women, travels with one from time to time, and that's fine. Sitting down together looking like they're on a date--not so fine, at least not in a place where they could be seen by some of our small town gossips.
Maybe I'm just seriously old or something. But I understand and respect his position on this.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)The quote I've seen is "In 2002, Mike Pence told The Hill that he never eats alone with a woman other than his wife and that he wont attend events featuring alcohol without her by his side, either."
No, it is fine if they sit down together. The small town gossips need to realise this is the 21st century, and women can interact with men without it being sexual. They even have jobs, and the vote. Pence is at the best pandering to appalling sexism; but really, I think he knows he is taking part in that sexism. If women have to be treated with special rules, it makes it look like they're an oddity, rather than just half of the human race. But he joined a campaign that was the most sexist the USA has seen in decades, so maybe it's not surprising. Trump sees women as sex objects, to be used how he wants; Pence sees them as temptation, and signals his virtue by following Victorian standards of segregation.
I'm also worried he thinks he's an alcoholic without any self-control.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)"In 2002, Mike Pence told The Hill that he never eats alone with a woman other than his wife and that he wont attend events featuring alcohol without her by his side, either."
Sounds like he was talking about a dinner with only one woman. Doesn't say he can't go out with a bunch of staffers, even two or more women.
As far as the small town gossips, they are not going to change, and if Karen Pence never has to be subjected to their whispers, their pity, their glances, thats' a good thing.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)By Emma Gray
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/why-it-matters-that-pence-wont-have-dinner-with-a-woman-who-isnt-his-wife_us_58dd1740e4b05eae031d949c
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This history makes it all-the-more clear that this do-not-dine-with-women rule is predicated on the idea that the company of women is always first and foremost about sex.
There is nothing disrespectful about a committed person having a meal with a friend or colleague who is not the same gender as they are ― unless one is to assume that any interaction not under the watchful eye of a spouse would inevitably lead to infidelity. In this worldview, men have no self-control, and women are either temptresses or guardians of virtue.
The underpinnings of this belief system are what allow men to view women as other rather than equal. They allow some to rationalize that female victims of sexual violence asked for it because they wore provocative clothing, and others (including our president) to believe that assault is a natural outcome of putting men and women together in a high-pressure environment like the military. These belief systems are what create male-dominated work environments where women are viewed as sexualized distractions or cut out of the office culture altogether.
Is the vice president of the United States able to see any woman as his contemporary, rather than a potential threat to his marriage?
The ability to refuse to be alone with someone who is not the same gender as you and still climb the professional ladder is a privilege that is simply not afforded to women. Imagine if Elizabeth Warren or Kamala Harris or Nancy Pelosi refused to attend political functions where alcohol was served without their husbands in tow to supervise them. Imagine if they never took one-on-one meetings with potential campaign managers or fellow lawmakers who happened to be men. These womens careers would have been over before they started.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)That they are an alcoholic. But we sure do when it is just 2 people of the opposite sex alone together. There are entire magazines and TV shows dedicated to this and it sells. Any person in a position of name recognition will be subject to this because, right or wrong, our society likes to gossip.
So while he can have female colleagues, he doesn't HAVE TO have dinner ALONE with them to do his job. That's not to say he can't be alone with other women. But that is of HIS choosing....for his wife. To spare her of any needless worry or doubt if something shows up in the paper or on tv. It is not sexism nor is it that he can't control his urges. That is just silly....
muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)Don't blame this on society. Blame it on people who think they're still living 100 years ago, and on the fools who go along with them. Of course it's sexism. It's from an attitude that thinks a man's only interest in a woman is sex. You think that it's "his choosing", but it affects women too. See the imbalance? He gets to control them.
We almost got a female president, you know. That would have shocked some, wouldn't it?
I think he does think it's about his urges too. Especially with the remark about not drinking unless his wife's there. It's a "holier-than-thou" attitude, designed to appeal to people 100 years out of date who see women as additions to men, and who, once married to them, are expected to spend all their time looking after their husband.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)To do the job. He doesn't have to have dinner alone with her for either one to do their jobs.
But you are wrong if you think much of society lives in the 21st century. There are a lot of people out there who don't because of religious or cultural reasons.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)such as Pence's. Pandering to people like Pence with views 100 years out of date is wrong. It hurts the status of women. Pence's refusal, over the years (and we've no evidence he has renounced this deplorable attitude) may well have hurt the advancement oe women. If he can meet a man for a meal, but not a woman, then women are at a disadvantage.
It also speaks to his general sexist attitude.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)If people gossip? Considering the social and possible personal implications is said activity? He HAS to engage in an activity he doesn't want to... even though he can hire a woman and engage in business a different way? So that's not good enough.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)It's pretty important that the Vice-President of the USA should not be sexist. You're right - it's not good enough. The social implications are that the VP is a dinosaur whose attitude to women is a century out of date, and he does nothing to try and behave like a man born when he was should.
Do you understand yet?
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obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)He probably should be afraid to dine with anyone but his wife.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)People can structure their relationships however they want, but if someone's spouse cant eat dinner with a member of the opposite sex without some suspicion, there's a problem that runs deeper than dinner.
In modern, pluralistic societies where either or both partners quite likely have numerous totally platonic connections both personal and professional with members of the opposite sex, such a prohibition is horrbily antiquated IMNSHO.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)but I'm not sure how it works in reality if both parthers are educated adults with fairly high-powered careers, such that usually involve things like business travel.
Personally, I cant imagine being married to someone I didnt trust implictly, and vice versa. What would be the point? Might as well stay single.
EllieBC
(3,031 posts)Most of my family and many of my friends are Orthodox Jews. And many are highly educated professionals who won't shake the hand of the opposite sex. And most won't eat alone with the opposite sex either or be secluded with 1 member of the opposite sex that's not family.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)one is whether people can reconcile these sorts of.. for lack of a better word, prohibitions with their larger lives even in the modern world, and clearly, yes, many people do. You're right, I know people like that as well. (But it certainly seems like a giant pain in the ass.)
but the other poster also brought up trust, which isn't actually the issue, as near as I can tell, with at least the people I know who are Orthodox to the extent you describe- rather it is more about conforming one's life to a rather strict set of rules.
Yes, personally, I think those rules are silly, not to mention antiquated, I stand by that, "deeply held religious belief" or no; but then I'm an Atheist and I tend to think the entire concept of a magical invisible man in the sky-- who with 14 billion or more light-years worth of Universe to manage, seems unduly preoccupied with what the hairless domesticated primates on Planet Earth are doing with their genitalia--- is silly.
But beyond that, it seems to me the lack of trust implied in "I don't want you eating alone with a member of the opposite sex because I think you will sleep with them" or whatever, would be the real problem.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)It seems that this is more a restriction he placed on himself, rather than one she placed on him, or that he placed on her.
He can restrict his own behavior to his little heart's content, AFAIC.
EllieBC
(3,031 posts)it was not about lack of trust. As someone pointed out downthread, it's about appearances. And that it's just not done. Most people aren't that vexed about it. Just like we aren't vexed by having to clean every inch of the house prior to Pesach. We aren't as bothered by inconvenience maybe?
MichMary
(1,714 posts)It's about appearance.
Years ago my mom went to lunch with a friend and saw my best friend's husband at lunch with ANOTHER WOMAN!! She came home and breathlessly announced that John was cheating on Mary!!!
I explained that he was in sales, and had to comp his customers, and/or their office managers. She laughed in my face, because OF COURSE if he was sitting at a table in a diner with a woman other than his wife, it meant they were having an affair.
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)No one should have to live their lives -- or maintain business -- to the "standards" of distrustful, dirty-minded gossips.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I also believe that this is a logical outgrowth of what happens when religious-minded people push inanities like "abstinence only" and suggest to young people that they have to marry the first person they want to screw, frankly.
I've never been tempted in the slightest to be unfaithful to my wife, and I can say with a pretty high degree of certainty that she feels the same. Part of that is that we are very happy with and committed to each other, but another part of it, I suspect, has to do with the fact that we got married well into adulthood after we both had had significant experience with both being single and in other relationships.
If you've spent 15 years dating and playing the field and seeing what else is out there, when the right person comes along I think it's pretty easy to commit to leaving all that behind.
HoosierDebbie
(292 posts)The key word here is to eat "alone" with a woman not your wife. I think it is about respect for the wife, and to not leave anyone open to suspicion if seen by others to draw conclusions. Maybe it is generational but I get it. I'm obviously from Indiana and have lots of reasons not to like Mike Pence, but this is not one of them. Maybe the only one.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,806 posts)who refused to eat with a female co-worker in the course of their work would get in a heap of trouble with HR if that attitude resulted in problems getting the job done. I had a job that occasionally required traveling, not just eating, with married male co-workers. If those men had refused to travel with me because of my gender, they'd have been in hot water, maybe even fired. My employer would not have tolerated that for a minute.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Just another one of those situations where the hang-up is likely to cause way more problems than the actual thing being hung up about.
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)We always go out to eat one night together, to catch up on gossip and things. Long, lingering dinners where we laugh and have a couple drinks, and that are 100% platonic, and that his wife knows about and could care less about.
And, of course, networking dinners with basically strangers of all genders.
former9thward
(32,064 posts)Its neither. DC is filled with people who love to spread gossip and slander for personal power and political gain. If more people - male and female -- followed what Pence does there would be a lot less scandals and headache.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)MichMary
(1,714 posts)Many years ago a young, single woman was promoted to head my husband's accounting department. It was a small department with a couple of female accountants and a few more female accounting clerks, and him.
He felt he had to go out to a bar alone with her and drink because he couldn't go to the women's Tupperware parties, and that sort of thing. Kind of a bonding thing. We live in a small town, and I will not tolerate the small town gossip machine creating rumors that will be embarrassing to me and to my children.
It was so utterly disrespectful of me that I can still work up a fair amount of anger over it. It was a very big deal to me.
Something must have happened to change his mind, because he apologized to me, and never did it again.
He does occasionally travel to meetings with her, and that isn't a problem, because it is different. The coziness of a dinner, or sitting shoulder to shoulder at a bar is a situation that can look like something it isn't.
There is plenty to criticize Pence about, but this isn't it.
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)Wow. Just wow.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)Every couple has their own standards, their own rules. I don't judge theirs (or yours) and I expect others to extend that right to me.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Is he a fucking professional or not? A grown-up professional might actually have cause to be be alone, or even have dinner with, with another professional that just happens to be a woman. If he can't do that, he has no fucking business in public service.
He wants to be weird on his own time, I don't give a fuck....
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Everyone has the ability to respect others' boundaries. And having dinner with a friend or coworker of the opposite sex (in the case of hetero people) is no big deal UNLESS you are not a respecter of boundaries. If you are prone to being inappropriate with a coworker or friend, then, no, you should not have dinner with them. But then, if you are prone to such inappropriateness, you should either grow up and change, or be fired or lose that friendship. And your significant other should "fire" you too, because you can't be trusted.
But those of who are adults and who can be trusted are insulted by the implication that someone like Pence would not be alone with us. First off, it's Pence, so not if he was the last guy on earth. Big EWW!. Secondly, it says more about Pence and his proclivities than it says about any woman he could possible have dinner with.
But Pence's attitude, were it widespread (which I guess it is in some circles), prevents women from assuming positions of power, as legislators or CEO, or the like. Male-dominated professions, if they follow this rule, would keep women from ever achieving promotions in fields occupied mostly by men. Imagine if they could never meet with their male clients or associates.
In fact, I could never have had the jobs I have had, because at various times almost all my colleagues were men. I would never be allowed to do fieldwork with anyone, ever, in some jobs.
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)And, to a lesser extent, men.
Again, it is 2017. And we are talking about dinner in a public arena. Get your distrustful mind out of the gutter.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)But I see it less as a religious thing and more as a wise "cover your ass" thing.
This is Washington DC and Pence is a politician. Nobody is going to be able to accuse him of cheating and splash glossy photos around of him eating at a fancy restaurant with a woman who's not his wife that he's going to have to embarrassingly try to explain if these situations never happen in the first place.
In DC, everyone has enemies looking to destroy them. Best not to give them low-hanging fruit. There's probably lots of politicians on both sides of the aisle who practice these same policies as Pence.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)IIRC, wasn't there some rumor about John McCain published in the WaPo or NYT or something about him having an affair? Turned out their was no truth to it, but the fact that it was considered newsworthy and, in fact, lawsuit-worthy, made it a very serious situation.
gilbert sullivan
(192 posts)Take 2 Pirin tablets and call in the morning.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)male friends and my late husband had female friends. he was upset when his friend cora retired because they used to have lunch together every day.
Cha
(297,503 posts)alarimer
(16,245 posts)Now, he's in management but when he worked in the library, he worked mostly with women. They went to meetings, they ate lunch, they might even have gone to happy hour together.
Trust is a big part of relationships. Not trusting someone without cause is a good reason for a relationship to fail.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)but about appearances. If you didn't mind him going out one-on-one with another woman, that's great. For some people it can cause huge problems, even if it is perfectly innocent.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)I'm in the "who gives a crap what other people think" school on this as on many things.
People (not all, but enough) are far too concerned with what other people will think; it's an attitude that poisons EVERYTHING. I choose not to let it poison my relationships.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Your librarian boyfriend likely didn't live under a microscope in the Machiavellian world of Washington DC where every move he makes is scrutinized by people who want to buy him, blackmail him, defeat him and destroy him.
Nobody is taking photographs of your librarian boyfriend eating lunch and selling them to the National Enquirer.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Makes me think there is some "there" there. Maybe he does have a history, although he seems like he has a very large stick in an uncomfortable location, so I doubt there are any Bill Clinton-esque escapades. :Shudder:
The fact is, it is an antiquated attitude that actually harms the potential careers of women (though why the hell would they even want to work with Pence). He couldn't hire a chief of staff who is a woman, for instance. Which is actually discriminatory and illegal, in fact.
But this is more about the mindset that appears not to be all that unusual even among otherwise progressive people. It's damaging to human relationships. It's damaging to progress towards equality. Feminists spent a lot of time protesting male-only golf clubs and the like because it harms women's careers not to be able to do that. But we have a long way to go, clearly, in people's attitudes about interpersonal relationships. All of us would benefit from less judginess. If some guy I was dating questioned my friendship with anyone, I would dump him so fast his head would spin. I would also tell my nosy neighbors to mind their own business.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)...Someone Tweets a photo of Vice President Pence eating at a fancy restaurant with a staffer. Maybe's she's pretty, maybe she's 25 years younger than him. No Mrs. Pence in sight.
Now how fast do you think the thread here on DU is going to go high and right? Oh, I'd say about 10 minutes before it hits 200 posts.
And do you think us posters here on Democratic Underground will be giving Pence kudos for ditching his antiquated, harmful, sexist attitudes towards women?
No, I'm pretty sure that 199 out of those 200 posts will be castigating Pence as a cheating, adulterous, hypocritical, skeevy, lecherous, dirty old man taking advantage of his position in power to wine and dine naive young staffers. And not just here on DU either. The NYT, WP, MSNBC, and countless other media outlets will be talking about "Who's the beautiful mystery woman eating dinner with the Vice President?"
Pence isn't stupid.
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)Both married. Both wives loved they had lunch with me, and sometimes went to the gym with me, so they didn't have to hear about work venting.
justlikeronniesang
(20 posts)If he has dinner with a woman that is not is wife, it must mean that they are thinking about, or having sex.
Why else would a man have dinner with a woman?
Women aren't respected people in society. They are sexual, nothing more.
Buzz cook
(2,474 posts)1
betsuni
(25,591 posts)Just in case.
Initech
(100,097 posts)oldtime dfl_er
(6,931 posts)Can he eat alone with them?
synergie
(1,901 posts)But no alcohol unless "Mother" is there to keep him from acting on temptation with all the men? Homophobes are reliably in denial about themselves. They just direct all that self-hatred outwards. He's a particularly nasty one.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,873 posts)Orthodox Jews who won't shake hands with women. I think the rationale there is that they can't be certain the woman isn't having her period at the time, which is apparently a case of lady cooties, but even women who are obviously over the age of menopause are still verboten.
But back to Pence: He's an asshole.
vi5
(13,305 posts)That would imply his reasons weren't rooted in his religious beliefs. Given that this is Pence, I don't think that's the case.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,873 posts)his refusing to eat with women not his wife?
If he did, I'll simply point out how idiotic those beliefs are. And if he didn't offer a religious basis, then I still say it's a secular version of religious based misogyny.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)eat with everybody and fuck with everbody all the time with or without the door open... as long as it's consentual and between adults.
erpowers
(9,350 posts)This shows a lack of discipline and self control. Why would a grown man need his wife to be present when he eats with another woman? Can he not control himself?
marybourg
(12,633 posts)They're a bunch of bizarre deplorables.
ecstatic
(32,727 posts)It's late.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)Women are gross and disgusting to men like him.
luvMIdog
(2,533 posts)bdjhawk
(420 posts)This has nothing to do with respecting any woman, including his wife. It is nothing more than a "religious" (not) cover for misogynists to exclude women. These perverts can't think of women as intellectual equals who could actually contribute to a meeting but only as potential temptresses who are nothing but sexual objects. With that view, these men are the ones with "lust in their hearts". If they insist on using this cover, they should also never be allowed to have a 1-on-1 with a man to prevent giving men all of the advantages of such meetings. This is nothing but a way to revert to the good old boys clubs that I had hoped we were moving away from. The photos of 100% men at meetings to discuss women's issues are nothing but signals to their Neanderthal followers that the good old boys are back in charge and the world is as it should be. Ick!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)And welcome to DU bdjhawk!
Lars39
(26,110 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts)I never understood why, if men are so full of "lust in their hearts", why it's somehow the female of the species's responsibility to try to prevent said lustful thoughts. It makes far more sense to have men learn how to control their own lust.
While I would like to believe that the people who believe this crap are actually religious -- that they wouldn't throw logic out the window unless it was really a faith thing -- it's far more likely that at least the people pushing the ideas realize it keeps women from having any role in society except that of wife and mother. Gotta keep raising more brainwashed kids to make "God's Army" after all...
treestar
(82,383 posts)Welcome to DU!
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Charles Bukowski
(1,132 posts)All this puritan bullshit while he stands side by side with a noted philanderer and likely sex offender in Donald Trump. Pence is a hypocrite and a fraud.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)underaged boy. That's his style.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Skittles
(153,174 posts)he thinks crap like that proves how much he respects women, when it actually shows the exact opposite
Rhiannon12866
(205,813 posts)But he associates with Trump who not only has been married three times, but also boasts about unseemly things he's done or wants to do to women - and young girls?? Hypocrisy, thy name is Pence.
yuiyoshida
(41,835 posts)Dorian Gray
(13,498 posts)he knows that no woman in her right mind would go out for a solo meal with him... so he's getting ahead of the story.
justhanginon
(3,290 posts)have dinner alone with that stone cold fundamentalist viper. The ensuing dinner conversation could scar one's psyche for life and lead to needing expensive therapy.
Vinca
(50,300 posts)uncontrollable pussy grabber as his boss?
CountAllVotes
(20,877 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)his wife excuses herself to go to the restroom, does he leave too until wifey comes back? lol
HAB911
(8,909 posts)They need sky-god rules and external controls
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Oh wait, I read that wrong.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)Then he should resign. What if he has to meet with Angela Merkel or another female world leader?
And he's also a sex scandal waiting to happen. But it won't be a woman that tempts him.
Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)2) He knows that women can use their witch type hoo doo on unsuspecting men easier when a ceremonial breaking of bread is occurring.
OnDoutside
(19,965 posts)lapucelle
(18,303 posts)I guess I have a new show to binge on.
OnDoutside
(19,965 posts)randome
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AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Your wife does not have to wonder who is sitting poolside or in the grill room.
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)If he has business lunches with male staffers, works alone with them in the evening and orders, pizza, etc., but doesn't female staffers??????
Do meals include runs to Bucks for coffee?
vi5
(13,305 posts)jeanmarc
(1,685 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)His wife doesn't want him to have dinner alone with anyone, For fear he'll be talked into buying property at Rio Rancho or trading their house for magic beans.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)Having lived in that world, I can assure you that for most it's a matter of living "above reproach."
It's also a way of protecting one's marriage from the unforeseen. Marriages go through ups and downs, so it's a way of protecting one's marriage from a time when one might be emotionally vulnerable.
Honestly, if you want to go out and have sex with someone, you're just going to do it. However, if you think that affairs begin for different reasons - like emotional vulnerability - it's a bit easier to understand.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)I was raised in a different time, and with a heavy dose of the fundy view of marriage. Also with my own mother's, um, shall we say, "quirks."
In my experience, honoring your spouse is the most important thing you can do. You don't criticize, you don't disrespect, and you don't subject them to gossip.
WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)basically Jezebels and Delilahs (except his stepford wife... perhaps) and are out to seduce him from his 'saintly' ways.
I've personally known a few men like this. Along with being sexist and misogynist, they were paranoid and delusional... it never ended well.
FSogol
(45,514 posts)still_one
(92,325 posts)get the red out
(13,468 posts)Taking rights away from all women though.
Religious zealots HATE women with a passion, daughters of Eve, evil snakes, bla bla. THAT is why it is appropriate to show how bizarre their religion makes them behave, their extreme beliefs also prompt them to marginalize women, LBGTQ people, people of other religions............................................
If Pence didn't want to marginalize people he hates, I wouldn't care about his ignorant religion, but he wants to do a LOT of harm in this country.
Edit to add: If Pence was actually serious about demonstrating his religious beliefs, he would have never agreed to be Trump's running mate. He has hypocrisy coming out the ass.
no_hypocrisy
(46,151 posts)Highway to Hell.
sinkingfeeling
(51,469 posts)got from his statement,
"I've looked on a lot of women with lust. I've committed adultery in my heart many times."
betsuni
(25,591 posts)Weirdo.
Ligyron
(7,639 posts)and having someone publish it with hints that he is having an "affair".
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,189 posts)Lots more I can bash the 46th President on other than his archaic dining practices.
Aristus
(66,436 posts)has definitely got something going on on the side.
Like those rabidly anti-gay crusaders who get caught trolling for sex in airport bathrooms.
Mark my words: sooner or later, Pence is going to be caught in a hotel room with a live boy or a dead hooker.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)Lady Justice...OMG..what is wrong with these MEN!!! They sure don't have a problem telling women what to do with their bodies...
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)He's a pig.
DinahMoeHum
(21,803 posts)Solve the problem right there.
Mike Nelson
(9,961 posts)...not qualified to be VP or President. What if we're in the middle of a nuclear war and he has to eat dinner with Merkel or May to decide what to do about the bombing of another country? And, how about gay men? Many ultra-religious people are that way because it's a "cure" for their gayness. He fits the profile. How do we know some guy might turn Pence on, then blackmail him?
dgibby
(9,474 posts)I'd be more worried about him being alone with another man.
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)but making women stay home and out of sight, leaving politics to men is the ploy of the Christian's competitors, can't very well be aping some of the Muslims.
The difference between Pence's chauvinistic bee ess and the Taliban's, as an example, only lies in the degree, otherwise they hold the same conservative misogynistic base theology.
louis c
(8,652 posts)lapucelle
(18,303 posts)BuddyCa
(99 posts)no dinners alone with Ivanka.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)lapucelle
(18,303 posts)makes me immediately more suspicious of him. At the very least, we know that he is personally ambitious enough to align himself with Trump who represents the antithesis of truly Christian values.
Pence is a whited sepulchre.
Matthew 23:27 (King James Version)
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/whited%20sepulcher