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caroldansen

(725 posts) Sat Apr 1, 2017, 05:08 AM Apr 2017

How is that possible. Did you see on CNN if democrats filibuster gorsuch and

republicans use the nuclear rule to get him in then that would automatically turn the Senate into
like the house of representatives WITH A 6 YEAR TERM and democrats are creamed. How can that be. It's on the CNN app under the heading "the Senate has one more week to live".We CANT have a filibuster. ITS A TRAP!

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How is that possible. Did you see on CNN if democrats filibuster gorsuch and (Original Post) caroldansen Apr 2017 OP

Link to the 'sky is falling' CNN article... WePurrsevere Apr 2017 #1

um, no. nt lillypaddle Apr 2017 #2

If you CANT use it what good is it anyway? marked50 Apr 2017 #3

yes, the Dems have to make a stand. The GOP's block on Garland was an unprecedented abuse Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #9

Have you heard that GOP may not have voted to change rule? Justice Apr 2017 #4

GOP already filibustered Garland. Don't fall for CNN sharedvalues Apr 2017 #5

the GOP didn't filibuster Garland sabbat hunter Apr 2017 #7

I think they mean the GOP did the equivalent if filibuster Garland Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #8

Effective filibuster. Exact procedure doesn't matter. sharedvalues Apr 2017 #13

. Squinch Apr 2017 #6

That's a bad argument about the filibuster. Foamfollower Apr 2017 #10

What use is a tool (the filibuster) if you can never use it? Bettie Apr 2017 #11

I want them to filibuster personally. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #12

Hawaii Sen Mazie Hirono is strong Gorsuch opponent sharedvalues Apr 2017 #14

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)

1. Link to the 'sky is falling' CNN article...

Reply to caroldansen (Original post)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 05:42 AM

Apr 2017

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/31/politics/senate-nuclear-option/

It seems like the story, not just on CNN, is being framed to make it sound like it would be the Dems fault for using the ability to filibuster but it would be the Republicans fault if they kill the filibuster. They need to consider carefully that they'd be doing so for some time including for themselves when the Senate flips, as it will sooner or later.

If we are always afraid to use a filibuster because the majority might go 'nuclear' why the heck even have it at all? Put a constraint or two on it, for instance make whoever is doing the filibustering actually be there speaking (if I remember correctly they ditched that rule in one or both Houses?), but this nonsense about going nuclear needs to end as well. The minority has a right to be heard too and the filibuster is a way to do that.

lillypaddle

(9,580 posts)

2. um, no. nt

Reply to caroldansen (Original post)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 05:43 AM

Apr 2017

marked50

(1,366 posts)

3. If you CANT use it what good is it anyway?

Reply to caroldansen (Original post)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 05:49 AM

Apr 2017

Keeping your powder dry is meaningless if you aren't willing to shot.

The Senate is way past broken now and we fool ourselves if we still believe that congeniality still exists in its old form. The nuclear option has always been there and now is the time to expose the Repubs real intent, if that is what they truly want. They have used the filibuster more in the recent past than any party ever has. If they get rid of it then they slit their own throats and it would be with the belief that they will always be in power.

If we think that is true, then why bother with anything and of course there would be nothing to lose either.

Also, the 6 year term thing is staggered, so Senate majorities possibly shift on 2 year time frames anyway.

Don't let CNN be your guide to figuring this out.

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)

9. yes, the Dems have to make a stand. The GOP's block on Garland was an unprecedented abuse

Reply to marked50 (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 08:15 AM

Apr 2017

of power, and a real blow to our democracy. If the GOP wants to make things even worse by taking away the filibuster, so be it.

Justice

(7,188 posts)

4. Have you heard that GOP may not have voted to change rule?

Reply to caroldansen (Original post)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 06:50 AM

Apr 2017

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)

5. GOP already filibustered Garland. Don't fall for CNN

Reply to caroldansen (Original post)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 07:51 AM

Apr 2017

sabbat hunter

(6,829 posts)

7. the GOP didn't filibuster Garland

Reply to sharedvalues (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 08:09 AM

Apr 2017

That would have meant his candidacy reached the floor of the Senate. He was never allowed to get that far.

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)

8. I think they mean the GOP did the equivalent if filibuster Garland

Reply to sabbat hunter (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 08:13 AM

Apr 2017

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)

13. Effective filibuster. Exact procedure doesn't matter.

Reply to sabbat hunter (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 02:58 PM

Apr 2017

GOP used their majority to block Garland.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)

6. .

Reply to caroldansen (Original post)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 08:02 AM

Apr 2017

Foamfollower

(1,097 posts)

10. That's a bad argument about the filibuster.

Reply to caroldansen (Original post)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 08:18 AM

Apr 2017

If we don't filibuster now, they'll still blow up the filibuster on the next nominee. So we need to force them to blow it all up.

Bettie

(16,109 posts)

11. What use is a tool (the filibuster) if you can never use it?

Reply to caroldansen (Original post)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 08:24 AM

Apr 2017

Oh, they might get rid of it...so we can't filibuster anyone, anything, ever.

Then the worm turns and the other side is in power and those who were too afraid to ever use this tool have it used against them constantly.

It is sickening. If they blow it up, it isn't there for their side anymore either.

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)

12. I want them to filibuster personally.

Reply to caroldansen (Original post)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 08:26 AM

Apr 2017

Claire McCaskill is now filibustering. I consider that a good sign. If it doesn't happen, will not be really angry...I hate the filibuster and it is going to have to go. But the reality is they use the nuclear option and get him confirmed. We won't win this one. I hate arcane senate rules, but this is a lose lose anyway. That being said, I am in favor of them taking a stand and telling orange boy to go 'f' himself.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)

14. Hawaii Sen Mazie Hirono is strong Gorsuch opponent

Reply to caroldansen (Original post)

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 02:59 PM

Apr 2017

She gave a speech today blasting Gorsuch for representing the wealthy and hurting the middle class and average American.

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