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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLet's just stop with the nonsense our presidential platform wasn't middle and working class friendly
Off the top of my head
-Public option
-Free college tuition for students from families who earn < 125K
-Paid family leave
-Job retraining
What's a Undeplorable not to like?
treestar
(82,383 posts)was too busy covering Donald's latest shenanigans.
JimGinPA
(14,811 posts)No matter what he did or said, the M$M followed whatever reports with HER EMAILS!!!
treestar
(82,383 posts)emails, Benghazi and nothing about the good things she had done in her life. Imagine being judged only on a couple parts of your life that could be made into the worst.
jrthin
(4,836 posts)librechik
(30,674 posts)the day after the nom--she should have asked him to be veep!
SarahPalinSucks
(4 posts)-End War
-No more obesity
-Free Public transportation
-Enact world peace
No body wants the opposite of those things either. But they will not vote for someone who doesn't think they can get it done, or doesn't believe them.
As its been stated before, its a popularity contest.
You can have an unlikable/untrustworthy person have great ideas, and a likable/trustworthy (or at least LESS unlikable) person with average ideas, and unfortunately the great ideas don't always win.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)JI7
(89,250 posts)for Clinton.
yet what white people want is always treated as the norm.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)person (pussy-grabbing, boastful, real estate developer). He didn't have great ideas; he had huge claims about what he could or would do, and a large number of Americans turned out to be gullible enough to believe him, and allied with the bigots who love his bigotry, that was enough.
No, previous elections may have been popularity contests, but this wasn't (at least, Trump lost on that part - polls showed that). What Trump offered the Americans who chose him was revenge on people they think do them wrong. He's their strongman.
SarahPalinSucks
(4 posts)People don't like to hear it, but I really don't think Hillary was popular. People didn't like her.
Now people didn't like Trump either. It was a strange election in which neither candidate was terribly well liked.
The average Joe/Jane that didn't have their ear to the ground on everything politics knew Trump as a "Successful" ( ), loud, outspoken public figure that was on TV sometimes and owned a lot of things.
Hillary was a politician.
Unfortunately people aren't as smart as we give them credit for. One lady told me "I just don't like her voice".
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)People think even less of him now, but she always led in 'favorability' or 'likeable'.
The way you describe Trump coming across isn't "likeable". It's not a question of being 'smart'. Yes, Hillary was a politician; but Trump was the least liked candidate in the general election from the 2 big parties ever.
It is important to realise why people voted for him: either they had people they wanted punished, and he was their man to do it, or they were gullible enough to trust him, despite his extensive history of caring for no one apart for himself.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Other than Obama in 2008 Clinton received more votes than any other US presidential candidate in history. Again, what makes them popular? Is there another factor that tilted the electoral scale? Look there.
Panich52
(5,829 posts)Clinton told the truth, for example, to coal miners: their jobs weren't coming back. Trumplodytes & conservative spin machine focused on the seemingly negative aspect and deftly ignored that her intent was to redirect coal country's economies to the future; ignored that energy experts & coal execs agreed that industry was dying.
Twitter profile of one Trumplodyte declares: "liberals love to be lied to." Typical of the willful ignorance of those who buy the spinning lies of the RW.
lostnfound
(16,179 posts)We don't talk policy across the great divide very well
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)She ran on what a shitbag Trump is.
for example: http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/8/14848636/hillary-clinton-tv-ads
JI7
(89,250 posts)they had no problem with him calling her crooked hillary or calling mexicans rapists and shit.
that's what trump ran on. on hatred towards minorities. and that's what people who voted for him love and voted for.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)JI7
(89,250 posts)that's why they see a non white person on welfare as lazy and taking from others while a white person is seen as getting help.
a successful non white person is assumed to have been given special rights or preferences due to their race.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)For just one obscure example, the live-in eldercare daughter of a neighbor of a friend will NOT be getting the expanded rights and protections Hillary hoped to provide.
Our state will allow whoever inherits her father's home to sell it and kick her out when he dies. She apparently would be legally entitled able to stay in it a short time before moving, but two decades of living there caring for their father without pay confers no right to anything more. A brother who holds power of attorney knows what's in the will and won't tell her.
She supposedly never intended to be in this position (who ever does?), but after her husband died she was unable to get a decent job, their father needed help to be able to stay in his home, the others said they'd help but never did, she spends all her own money caring for their father and keeping his house going, yada yada yada.
Addressing some of the problems of millions trapped out of sight and almost completely out of mind like her was on our agenda. Still is, but "someday" will be too late for her.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Instead the wanted scandal.
ananda
(28,864 posts)The fact that these policies will also help people
who are poor and non-white.