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SunsetDreams

(8,571 posts)
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 06:47 PM Jul 2012

ACA Mandate Myths & How the Affordable Care Law Affects You

Last edited Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:37 PM - Edit history (1)

Mandate myths

Myth 1: Everyone is required to buy insurance.

That’s not true. Over 80%* of Americans have insurance through their employers or receive insurance because they are in the military or are veterans or are poor or old. No one in these categories is required to buy individual insurance.

(Actually no one at all has to buy health insurance because, if they fall under that provision and don’t buy it, they can pay the penalty instead. The penalty is far cheaper than the cost of insurance.)

*81% of Americans under 65 have insurance. People over 65 have single-payer coverage; i.e., Medicare (with some holding additional private insurance).

Myth 2: People who don’t have insurance will be forced to buy insurance they can’t afford.

This is also untrue.

People with the lowest incomes are covered under Medicaid, which was expanded by the ACA for those with incomes up to 133% of the poverty level.

For those with incomes between 133% and 400% of the poverty level, subsidies are available so they can afford to buy health coverage in the new health care exchange.

There is a hardship exemption for those who don’t have insurance and say they can’t afford it.

And, as noted under myth 1, no one actually must buy health insurance, since they can pay the penalty instead.

(Please Go To Pollways Link For Other Myths, very informative)


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ACA Provisions

How does the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA) change health coverage in the U.S.?

The ACA makes dramatic changes to the way millions of Americans access health care. This comprehensive reform of health insurance attempts to make insurance more affordable, higher in quality and more accessible for people. It also expands Medicaid, imposes new responsibilities on individuals to purchase insurance and provides new incentives for employers to provide insurance for their employees. Together, these changes are estimated to expand coverage to 32 million people who were previously uninsured.

Insurance reforms

Beginning in 2014, the ACA requires health insurers to accept all applicants for insurance, regardless of their health status. In addition, insurers will no longer be allowed to charge higher premiums or exclude benefits because someone has a pre-existing condition. Most insurers will also be required to provide coverage that meets federal standards for benefits and cost-sharing.

As of September 23, 2010, a number of insurance reforms went into effect, including requiring insurers to:

Cover certain preventive services without deductibles or cost-sharing
Allow parents to keep adult children up to age 26 on their insurance
Cover all children under the age of 19, regardless of health status
Create an internal and external appeals process to handle consumer complaints and denials
Eliminate lifetime limits on benefits and significantly raise the annual limits for benefits (eventually it will also eliminate annual limits)
Spend a minimum of 80 percent of premiums on medical services and quality improvement
Justify unreasonable premium increases
Eliminate the practice of rescissions (when a health plan retroactively cancels coverage after the enrollee gets sick)
Allow patients to choose their health care professional as a primary care provide


Much more on ACA Provisions at community catalyst here

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For those that are uninsured
Without question, uninsured Americans will be most affected by health care reform. If you don’t have health insurance because you’re unemployed or don’t make enough to afford it, you’re going to get a subsidy to help cover the cost of coverage. The subsidy will be based on your income, but the result will be that at least 30 million people who couldn’t afford insurance will now theoretically be able to.

And if you have lingering doubts that this group of people really needed the government’s help, check out a couple of news stories we recently did about how the uninsured suffer:

This one is called Killer Hospital Bills: it’s about an uninsured woman went to the emergency room with stomach pains and emerged hours later with a $12,000 bill.
And here’s one about a senior citizen who had to file bankruptcy because of health costs.

So the news is good for uninsured Americans who needed and wanted coverage, but there’s another group of uninsured who may not be so happy: those that can afford insurance but choose to forgo the expense by going without. In an effort to encourage all Americans to have health insurance, beginning in 2014 these people will face fines for that kind of risk-taking. The proposed fine is 2.5% of income, up to $2,085, so the incentive to have insurance will be powerful.


More at MoneyTalksNewshere

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This DHS site has some great information as well
Affordable Care Act: Opportunities for the Aging Network
http://aoa.gov/Aging_Statistics/Health_care_reform.aspx


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Link to the Affordable Care Act (Full Law) here
Link to Affordable Care Act (Amendments) here

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Here is a nifty tool from WaPo that you can use to determine how your family might be affected by ACA.
What does the Supreme Court's health-care ruling mean for me?
The court's decision to uphold all but one component of the health-care law means new rules for insurers that have already taken effect will remain in place. Beginning in 2014, virtually all Americans will have to obtain health insurance or pay a penalty. There also will be new opportunities to get coverage, including state-based marketplaces known as exchanges* (through which individuals will be able to purchase private plans that meet strict benchmarks for quality) and federal subsidies to help low-income people buy plans on the exchanges. The law will also expand the eligibility rules for Medicaid, but the Court found that states can not be penalized if they decline to comply with the expansion, raising questions as to how effectively the federal government will be able to implement it.


Take the quiz at the link and find out

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http://www.healthcare.gov/ is an excellent source of info and policy plans available to you.

Thank you Honeycombe8 for pointing out this one.

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The Affordable Care Act is a step in the right direction. With it in place I believe it will be easier to progress to single payer in the future. The purpose of this OP is for anyone who might not know what all is in the ACA and how it might affect them.
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ACA Mandate Myths & How the Affordable Care Law Affects You (Original Post) SunsetDreams Jul 2012 OP
Here is more SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #1
I had so many people on Facebook posting stupid shit about it... YellowRubberDuckie Jul 2012 #2
I know it's rediculous SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #4
Great! Thx. Also, www.healthcare.gov is an excellent source of info and policy plans available toyu. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #3
No problem and SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #5
will the penalty affect credit rating? Skittles Jul 2012 #6
That's a good question SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #8
This is the most comprehensive thread yet. Thanks SunsetDreams. K & R. freshwest Jul 2012 #7
My pleasure :) SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #9
I have started posting Semtex Jul 2012 #13
Yes the right is SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #32
"The penalty is far cheaper" Hissyspit Jul 2012 #10
Maybe you will qualify for a subsidy or hardship nt SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #12
Isn't that what I factored in? Hissyspit Jul 2012 #15
That seems ProSense Jul 2012 #17
Well, I hope you're right. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #20
I hope you don't mind SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #22
No problem. I do appreciate your post. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #26
Thanks SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #29
Your chart says $625 for 2016. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #34
k&r for re-viewing and downloading later n/t w0nderer Jul 2012 #11
awesome post, SunsetDreams bigtree Jul 2012 #14
Thanks :) SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #23
As people start getting free checkups we are going to find out just how bad off Americans are Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #16
Noticed there was no link for the chart. Tennessee Gal Jul 2012 #18
The chart lists the website directly on it. SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #19
Yes, that is how I found the link. Tennessee Gal Jul 2012 #21
It is very helpful SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #36
Do you really think we're going to see any of this.? RagAss Jul 2012 #24
I'm not so sure. Wait Wut Jul 2012 #28
Well done. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #25
Thanks Ruby :) SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #30
Thanks!! And thanks to all those that replied with more info! n/t Wait Wut Jul 2012 #27
You're welcome SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #31
kick SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #33
. SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #35
Morning kick SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #37
2 more links: NY Times Q&A on ACA details and latest CBO estimates of budget ProgressiveEconomist Jul 2012 #38
K&R savalez Jul 2012 #39

YellowRubberDuckie

(19,736 posts)
2. I had so many people on Facebook posting stupid shit about it...
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:16 PM
Jul 2012

...I found a link to it and said, here READ THE DAMNED THING. People have shut up or unfriended me. I don't care, honestly. I'm just SICK of people lying.

SunsetDreams

(8,571 posts)
8. That's a good question
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:14 PM
Jul 2012

I know that the IRS can file a tax lien for failure to pay taxes and that does affect your credit score for 7 years I believe.
However I'm not sure if it will be applicable here. I'll do some research on it.

 

Semtex

(21 posts)
13. I have started posting
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:38 PM
Jul 2012

Links to www.healthcare.gov on my Facebook page so people can inform themselves better about what this law is going to mean to them, rather then to believe the talking points that the right is trying to throw out..usually in the form of a threat.

SunsetDreams

(8,571 posts)
32. Yes the right is
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:37 PM
Jul 2012

trying really hard to spread misinformation about the ACA. They failed with the Supreme Court, so misinformation is all they have. They are so afraid the public will start to see what an improvement the bill really is over what we had. Is it perfect? no, but it is a vast improvement.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
10. "The penalty is far cheaper"
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:33 PM
Jul 2012

Yeah, for me, it's about $844. The $700 I get back every year that helps me from going bankrupt each year.

Looks like I'll probably be able to get into the exchange (maybe) and pay $4,180 for insurance. Which I can't afford. That's $1,000 a quarter, or about $300 plus every month. So I will have $844 taken from me every year. And have no insurance.

Yay.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
15. Isn't that what I factored in?
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:42 PM
Jul 2012
"You will have the option of buying a health plan through your state's exchange with federal assistance. Based on your income, your annual premiums for that plan would be no more than $4,180. Your maximum out-of-pocket costs for deductibles and co-payments would be capped at 30 percent of the total cost."


I didn't even mention the money I would spend on deductibles.

"You are exempt from the penalty if the least expensive plan option in your area exceeds eight percent of your income."


How do I determine the "least expensive plan option in" my area? Is it some near-worthless insurance? $4,180 is about eight percent of my income, so I MIGHT be exempt from the penalty, but I can't count on that.

I'm hoping that this is wrong and I will be able to afford insurance by 2016 as things improve.

Don't get me wrong. There is much in ACA that is excellent and necessary. Despite being rather disgusted at the lousy strategies and compromises that went into creating it, I am glad it passed and the mandate was upheld. And, yes, there is MASSIVE disinformation out there, and I appreciate your post.

But:

1. Declare victory where victory is real: Democrats should declare victory for the popular provisions of the law: no exclusions for pre-existing conditions, coverage for those who can't afford it, the extension of coverage for children to age 26. Wendell Potter offers a great example of how to "sell" this law to the American people.

2. Don't BS the public: But Democrats would be foolish to oversell this law. In response to the ruling, the President said today that the Court has "reaffirmed a fundamental principle that here in America -- in the wealthiest nation on Earth – no illness or accident should lead to any family’s financial ruin." That's the wrong approach for a number of reasons, one of which is that people still feel that they can't afford health care - and they're right.

A majority of those who declare bankruptcy due to medical expenses already have health insurance, and the protections in this law aren't enough to prevent that from happening. Premiums and out-of-pocket costs continue to rise for insured Americans. Health insurance costs rose more last year than they had in six years, to more than $15,000 for a family of four, and they've risen by 50 percent since 2003. Democrats should acknowledge these problems, discuss ways this law will help and, most importantly, promise to do more in the next term.

http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2012062628/dont-kid-yourself-its-still-corporate-court-here-are-10-ways-respond


And I am still seriously considering Canada. Not kidding.



ProSense

(116,464 posts)
17. That seems
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:48 PM
Jul 2012

"Yeah, for me, it's about $844. The $700 I get back every year that helps me from going bankrupt each year."

...seems a little high for the penalty.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002881604

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
20. Well, I hope you're right.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:57 PM
Jul 2012

I really can't afford any penalty AT ALL. (That's the increased 2016 penalty, by the way. See my other post.) I'm a contract employee and there are a couple of months in the year when I don't get paid. I also have a large debt load (thanks to the Bush years). The debt load is the main reason I can't afford insurance (some of it was used to pay for insurance in the past). And if I pay a tax penalty, that's taking away money I can use to decrease the debt load.

What I would like to have is health insurance that I can actually afford.

I guess we'll see.

SunsetDreams

(8,571 posts)
22. I hope you don't mind
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:19 PM
Jul 2012

my deciding to respond here. I took the opportunity to read both of your replies in this sub-thread.

I hope that you will qualify for a subsidy or hardship. I hear you about debt, I think the Bush years have done a lot of damage to all of us in the middle class and the poor. The debt has piled up and I wish you much success decreasing your debt load.

Here's to hoping you qualify

On edit thank you for the link to the article above, I will read it.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
26. No problem. I do appreciate your post.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:35 PM
Jul 2012

I think I was one of the first here to post the Washington Post "How Will Health Insurance Affect You?" calculator. I think other people will appreciate it.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
16. As people start getting free checkups we are going to find out just how bad off Americans are
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:47 PM
Jul 2012

for going for, in some cases decades, without being examined.

It really going to be an eye opener for a lot of people.

RagAss

(13,832 posts)
24. Do you really think we're going to see any of this.?
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:27 PM
Jul 2012

These fascist bastards will do anything to repeal this law. They will devote the rest of their lives to it !

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
28. I'm not so sure.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:58 PM
Jul 2012

I've noticed that over the past 24 hours a lot of people that were ranting about the ACA are now either really quiet, or asking questions. I think people are starting to see the benefits.

I just hope I live long enough to see the signs someday, "Keep your Government hands off my ACA!!!"

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
38. 2 more links: NY Times Q&A on ACA details and latest CBO estimates of budget
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 11:20 AM
Jul 2012

impacts, at http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002890826 .

Note that the estimated 10-year total of healthcare TAX CREDITS (tax cuts) for individuals and other exchange-associated costs is FIFTEEN TIMES the estimated $45 billion to be raised over 10 years in individual penalties for not buying health insurance .

Two years ago, it was common for Democrats to point to the hundreds of billions in tax credits as "the largest middle-class tax cut for healthcare in history'. I just don't understand why they stopped and why they're now allowing Republicans to get away with Orwellian LIES abot "tax increases of the middle class".

See http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002890826 for details and a link to a crucial March 2012 table of updated Congressional Budget Office budget estimates for the Affordable Care Act.

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