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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 02:04 AM Apr 2017

DHS made a "last ditch effort" to stop Russia from interfering in the actual election process BUT

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DHS faced a "backlash" from state and federal governments who viewed that push as Federal overreach, and were reluctant to participate, according to a top Homeland Security advisor.

Also, at least one key state -- Wisconsin -- had voting machines that could have been connected to the internet while voting was taking place -- despite the warnings all states had from the Obama administration.

So how do we know that the Russians did NOT interfere? Are we just taking the word of states who didn't want to accept Federal efforts to help them increase the security of the voting process?

HOMELAND SECURITY ADVISOR EXPLAINS THERE WAS BACKLASH FROM SOME STATES ABOUT SECURING THEIR ELECTION SYSTEMS:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/obama-russia-hacking-trump-214976

But Monaco confirmed in the interview that top White House officials privately objected to a strong statement from Rep. Adam Schiff and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the two top Democrats on the congressional intelligence committees, in September that said Russia was specifically targeting the U.S. elections; they did so, she said, because the statement was “not bipartisan.”

Monaco says that’s because the Obama administration was at the time focused on seeking cooperation for a last-ditch effort by the Department of Homeland Security to avoid Russian tampering in the actual voting process. But the administration, she said, faced a backlash from state and local governments who viewed the DHS cybersecurity election push as “a big federal takeover” and were reluctant to cooperate.



DEC. 16: SOME OF WISCONSIN'S VOTING MACHINES WERE CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/new-video-experts-say-wisconsin-voting-machines-can-be-hacked

Our investigative look back at the Wisconsin recount finds that—despite repeated warnings by computer experts that connecting voting machines to the internet puts them at risk of hacking—the voting machines in some counties in Wisconsin are using wireless modems. This hardware creates a connection that in all likelihood has internet capability, even as the chair of the Election Assistance Commission swears to Congress that the machines are not connected this way. Plus, an international computer security expert shows how the voting machines can be hacked even when they're not connected to the web.

Filmmaker Lulu Friesdat was on the ground in Wisconsin during the recount. This is her third report in a three-part series taking advantage of the unique opportunity that the recount offers to look behind the scenes at a process that is often obscured from view.

We’ve added a fourth and final part to the series that includes a fascinating breakdown of just how close the race was and gives an overview of the whole report. Be sure and check back for that.



AUGUST 29, 2016, HOMELAND SECURITY OFFERS STATES HELP IN SECURING VOTING SYSTEMS

https://gcn.com/articles/2016/08/29/election-system-hack.aspx

On an Aug. 15 conference call, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson highlighted DHS’ resources that can help states secure their voting systems. He also discussed the possibility that the U.S. election system could be classified as critical infrastructure. This classification would give DHS oversight and security responsibilities for the election system the same way that it works with the power grid or the financial services sector.

Officials think the hacks in Arizona and Illinois could be connected because there was an IP address that appeared in both attacks. On cybersecurity professional told Yahoo that one of the IP addresses listed in the alert has shown up in connection with Russian hacker forums.

To help states harden their systems, the FBI shared a number of security measures via the Multi-State Information Sharing and Analysis Center (MS-ISAC). Recommendations included conducting vulnerability scans, patching software and applications, validating user input before forwarding to a database and using static queries.

AUGUST 17, 2016, HOMELAND SECURITY URGES STATES TO SECURE VOTING SYSTEMS; "MOST STATES" THINK THEY'RE ALREADY IN GOOD SHAPE

https://gcn.com/articles/2016/08/17/dhs-voting-security.aspx

The conference call was a key part of advertising the department's assistance capabilities, a DHS official said.Johnson also reminded state officials that federal agencies are available now to help gird election systems against cyberattack. The DHS National Cybersecurity and Communications Integration Center will conduct vulnerability scans and provide actionable information as well as access to other tools and resources to help with election system cybersecurity on request.

He also advised state officials to heed recommendations from the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the U.S. Election Assistance Commission that electronic voting machines not be connected to the internet while voting is underway.

It was the first time DHS has convened a discussion on election security, state officials who were on the call told FCW, a sister site to GCN. They said the call was productive, with the agency not only providing its advice to states for voting system cybersecurity, but with states telling DHS about their precautions in a contentious election cycle.

"The states feel, for the most part, that they're in good shape" cybersecurity-wise, as most have made sure their systems are self-contained and not internet-facing, said one representative who agreed to speak on background.
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DHS made a "last ditch effort" to stop Russia from interfering in the actual election process BUT (Original Post) pnwmom Apr 2017 OP
More for Turtle Man to be proud of. nt eppur_se_muova Apr 2017 #1
That old bastard is giving turtles a bad rep. LOL Lib Apr 2017 #34
President Obama tried to save us but you can't save stupid when stupid underthematrix Apr 2017 #2
And yes. Russia hacked voting machine saoftware underthematrix Apr 2017 #3
No they didn't. And DU should not allow such ridiculous assertions to stand. KittyWampus Apr 2017 #26
How can you be so sure? LOL Lib Apr 2017 #35
Hacking voting machine software only requires modifying the software before it's inserted. You underthematrix Apr 2017 #40
Of course they did. Racists believed underthematrix Apr 2017 #39
I am so sick of watching our country go down the drain this way as we stand by helplessly world wide wally Apr 2017 #4
Me too. Also what I'm thinking tonight. Drinking wine. I never drink. notdarkyet Apr 2017 #13
Totally dysfunctional! elleng Apr 2017 #5
Question: world wide wally Apr 2017 #6
Yes, I remember that DHS offered to help individual States 'HARDEN' their voting system TrollBuster9090 Apr 2017 #7
Any data on the party affiliation of state and local officials who refused assistance from DHS? keopeli Apr 2017 #8
Paper ballots. Universal vote by mail. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #9
That's what we have in Washington and Oregon and it's working out very well. n/t pnwmom Apr 2017 #10
Exactly. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #11
I would rather see voting take place over an entire year HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #14
I live in a state where we have vote by mail and people do have a good several weeks to get their Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #15
The longer ballots sit in the ballot box... Ezior Apr 2017 #16
In addition, a lot of people are at a transition in life and do not receive mail often or at all HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #18
In Oregon, you can always go to county elections and get a ballot if that is the case. Amaryllis Apr 2017 #36
No, we know when our ballots arrive at the elections office. We can go online and check. pnwmom Apr 2017 #32
It's weird as hell that Republicans are more afraid of our federal government IndianaDave Apr 2017 #12
If they allow us to. forjusticethunders Apr 2017 #17
K&R... spanone Apr 2017 #19
i really wonder just how invisible all this would be to fbi/cia mopinko Apr 2017 #20
Still no evidence of actual voting machine hacking brooklynite Apr 2017 #21
brooklynite, they're NOT LOOKING. How would they find evidence if they aren't? pnwmom Apr 2017 #22
They're not looking because nobody except for some bloggers believes it's an issue brooklynite Apr 2017 #23
All the politicians in office have a vested interest in the elections that put them into office pnwmom Apr 2017 #25
All the politicians in office who LOST a race have a vested interest in presenting an excuse why... brooklynite Apr 2017 #27
What have they said POST election to indicate that they think our efforts to harden security pnwmom Apr 2017 #28
If they believed hacking had actually happened, why would they hide it? brooklynite Apr 2017 #30
No. My position has evolved as more evidence about Russian attacks and capabilities pnwmom Apr 2017 #31
Wisconsin recount indicated machine problems. Also Russian hacking indicated: Amaryllis Apr 2017 #38
K&R jpak Apr 2017 #24
I've been re-reading "Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy" again. Turbineguy Apr 2017 #29
STOLEN malaise Apr 2017 #33
Collusion at the state level? moondust Apr 2017 #37
No we are taking the word of the IC. jmg257 Apr 2017 #41

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
2. President Obama tried to save us but you can't save stupid when stupid
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 02:28 AM
Apr 2017

is too stupid to know they need to be saved.

LOL Lib

(1,462 posts)
35. How can you be so sure?
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 03:39 PM
Apr 2017

Given all that they have done and continue to do via the internet, hacking voting machine software seems at least possible. There were reports of voting machines being left unsecured in NC. I'm sure it is not out of the realm of possibility.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
40. Hacking voting machine software only requires modifying the software before it's inserted. You
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 07:10 PM
Apr 2017

only need two to four midsize counties in each state. i know they altered the way the VOTE was counted because that's what the Obama administration was trying to address while all the other Russian coup stuff was going on.

This passage is from an article yesterday asking if [President] Obama should be blamed for the Russian hacking:




underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
39. Of course they did. Racists believed
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 07:04 PM
Apr 2017

birtherism for years which was actually a lie. I doubt DU ever stopped anyone from posting and spreading that racist bullshit.

Russia hacking the election to get the result they wanted is actually based on FACTS and evidence. Pay attention

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
7. Yes, I remember that DHS offered to help individual States 'HARDEN' their voting system
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 03:14 AM
Apr 2017

so it couldn't be hacked, and some States (hard-core Red States) refused.

Coincidentally, some of the Red States that refused were Red States that the pollsters predicted might tip to Clinton. And on election night, to everybody's surprise, they went Trump.

At the time the story didn't have traction because most people either didn't believe the Russian attack was serious, or were more distracted by the faux Clinton email scandal.

But this story deserves a closer look.

keopeli

(3,522 posts)
8. Any data on the party affiliation of state and local officials who refused assistance from DHS?
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 03:18 AM
Apr 2017

How many were Democrats?

Did any Republicans at all accept assistance?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
11. Exactly.
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 04:16 AM
Apr 2017

Plus, turnout's good, and people don't have to take 4 hours off of work to wait in line to vote.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
14. I would rather see voting take place over an entire year
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 07:22 AM
Apr 2017

To remove the pressure to take off half of a certain day. Which makes the election such a spectacle. Why not make it easier on the voters?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
15. I live in a state where we have vote by mail and people do have a good several weeks to get their
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 07:30 AM
Apr 2017

ballots in.

I think that's more than enough time for everyone, and like I said, turnout far exceeds the national average.

Ezior

(505 posts)
16. The longer ballots sit in the ballot box...
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 08:10 AM
Apr 2017

the easier it is for someone to tamper with them.

I actually try to vote on election day whenever possible. Of course, it usually only takes a few minutes since we have a lot of polling places in Germany. I've never had to wait longer than maybe 3 minutes.

Voting by mail is less safe & secure, because mail might be lost and you have to trust the guys to correctly handle it. At polling places in Germany, the whole process is open for observation by anyone, starting from the time the polling place opens until all votes are counted and the counts submitted. You could then check the official results to see if the counts for your polling place were transmitted correctly & sums are correct. So I feel more comfortable casting my vote there.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
18. In addition, a lot of people are at a transition in life and do not receive mail often or at all
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 08:20 AM
Apr 2017

Immigrants, digital nomads, RVers, homeless, students, etc.

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
36. In Oregon, you can always go to county elections and get a ballot if that is the case.
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 05:15 PM
Apr 2017

Oregon tries to make it easier to vote, not harder, like in red states where the Rs engage in voter suppression regularly.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
32. No, we know when our ballots arrive at the elections office. We can go online and check.
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 02:25 PM
Apr 2017

And if we don't want to use the postal system, we can take a ballot to an official elections office box.

People in Washington and Oregon are very satisfied with our voting system -- and more than 70% voted in November, far more than in most states.

IndianaDave

(612 posts)
12. It's weird as hell that Republicans are more afraid of our federal government
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 04:46 AM
Apr 2017
than of Russian interference in our democracy!

We REALLY need to vote these idiots out of office.

mopinko

(70,113 posts)
20. i really wonder just how invisible all this would be to fbi/cia
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 10:28 AM
Apr 2017

security experts. everyone says it would be impossible to tell w/o a paper trail. but it is just hard for me to believe there would really be zero evidence on a forensic audit like what top ic/law would bring to bear.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
22. brooklynite, they're NOT LOOKING. How would they find evidence if they aren't?
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 12:46 PM
Apr 2017

One of the reasons I objected to the Jill Stein recount was how it was going to be carried out. The end result yielded an increased confidence in the voting system that wasn't justified. They failed to get the courts to order a full recount in PA. In Michigan, no recount was carried out in counties where they found discrepancies (more below). And Wisconsin used some electronic machines with no paper trail.

Other things we know:

25 states use optical scanners that have the option for internet connectivity; they produce paper trails but the paper isn't routinely audited. The government has not checked to see if the "option" has been used.

Other states use electronic machines with no paper trails. They can't be audited. Florida, which had such a large discrepancy between early voting and final results, uses those machines in some of its biggest (and most Democratic) counties. Pennsylvania also uses electronic machines in some of its counties.

In Michigan when they did a recount their state law did not allow them to carry out a recount on any county for which there was a discrepancy between the number of votes on the sign-in sheet and that recorded in the machine -- the very districts most people would want to have recounted. Also, some of the machines weren't recounted because the seals had been broken. Also, almost twice as many people (87K) voted but supposedly skipped the Presidential race as in 2012 (49K.)

In Wisconsin, they discovered that some of their machines DID have the internet connectivity option.

When in August the Federal government was urging states to make their voting systems more secure, they faced pushback from the states. "Most states" felt their systems were already secure. They resisted having voting systems being declared "critical infrastructure."

So with that attitude from the states and no one auditing all the states (or even capable of auditing all the states with electronic machines) why should anyone feel confident that the election wasn't hacked in at least some states?

brooklynite

(94,588 posts)
23. They're not looking because nobody except for some bloggers believes it's an issue
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 01:43 PM
Apr 2017

What candidates and political leaders believe IS an issue is the verifiable efforts to suppress voter turnout. Which wouldn't be necessary if you could just change the votes at the end of the process.

What is also an issue is the verifiable series of tactical mistakes that the Clinton campaign made, which helped her lose Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
25. All the politicians in office have a vested interest in the elections that put them into office
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 01:51 PM
Apr 2017

having had correct results. So they're not exactly unbiased (even if they're not conscious of the bias or culpable in any way).

And the FACT is that the Obama administration was very concerned about election system security, and tried to get states to harden their security, with mixed results -- and some pushback.

And it is a FACT that some states use electronic machines with no paper trails and others use optical scan systems whose paper is never audited.

It is also a FACT that respected statisticians in academia -- not just "bloggers" -- are concerned about security of our voting systems.

Knowing what we now know about Russian hacking capabilities, those elected leaders are failing us.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/22/1603289/-MIT-professor-cryptographer-UC-Berkeley-statistician-call-for-a-presidential-election-audit

MIT and UC Berkeley professors call for Presidential Election Audit

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/critical-discovery-during-wisconsin-recount-cellular-connectivity-tabulators-131700727.html

brooklynite

(94,588 posts)
27. All the politicians in office who LOST a race have a vested interest in presenting an excuse why...
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 02:00 PM
Apr 2017

...and NONE have said they lost due to vote flipping

It is a FACT that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren don't agree with you. Or are they hiding "the truth"?

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
28. What have they said POST election to indicate that they think our efforts to harden security
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 02:01 PM
Apr 2017

were good enough?

Pre-election, the Obama administration was trying -- and failing, in many cases -- to get states to harden their security.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/22/1603289/-MIT-professor-cryptographer-UC-Berkeley-statistician-call-for-a-presidential-election-audit

MIT and UC Berkeley professors call for Presidential Election Audit

brooklynite

(94,588 posts)
30. If they believed hacking had actually happened, why would they hide it?
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 02:14 PM
Apr 2017

Add to which, I've talked personally to several Party Chairs; they offer sensible reasons why Clinton lost. They don't say hacking was involved.

You seem to have decided that hacking occurred, and are searching for evidence to support your belief. I don't apply that policy.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
31. No. My position has evolved as more evidence about Russian attacks and capabilities
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 02:19 PM
Apr 2017

have come to light. Also, I saw what a joke the Jill Stein audits were.

I wanted to believe that the Obama administration had this under control, but I have less confidence in that now.

And it's ridiculous to keep saying that "no evidence has been found" of hacking when they are not looking for any evidence.

Turbineguy

(37,337 posts)
29. I've been re-reading "Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy" again.
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 02:05 PM
Apr 2017

The people that enabled the Russian Mole in the story were "conservatives and golfers".

American conservatives have been helping America's enemies for a long time. And it's working. I'm glad John le Carré is alive to see what's happening here.

moondust

(19,988 posts)
37. Collusion at the state level?
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 05:15 PM
Apr 2017


Q: Would Scott "Koch" Walker do something that evil?

A: Of course he would.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
41. No we are taking the word of the IC.
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 07:39 PM
Apr 2017

The DHS, FBI, NSA, CIA...the ICA, all say no Russian vote swap in their January report.

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections

"DHS assesses that the types of systems Russian actors targeted or compromised were not involved in vote tallying."

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