Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 09:22 AM Apr 2017

is it dementia with Donnie?

First, I know he has had a terrible character and personality all these years. Egocentric, bombastic, etc. But--

Some of us have had first hand experience with parents with the disease and here's what I see:

Mood swings, including child-like temper tantrums.
Latching onto a topic and not letting it go--going over it and over it obsessively.
Repeating himself.
Using very simple language and substituting simple words for more complex ones, because he can't think of them. We thought it was a campaign tactic, but maybe there's more to it. Still never uses complex speech.
Unsteady gait--trouble walking down a ramp and wanting to hold PM May's hand to steady himself.
Conspiracy theories: when they can't figure something out or remember exactly what happened, they invent part of the story so that it makes sense to them.

And why is Ivanka suddenly moving into an office in the White House? It might take a daughter to get him to do things he is supposed to. They become more suspicious and only trust close family. He needs a handler.

And his father had Alzheimer's disease.

22 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
is it dementia with Donnie? (Original Post) ginnyinWI Apr 2017 OP
my father has mild dementia but hes a vet with ptsd and 91!... samnsara Apr 2017 #1
A combination of personality disorders with Alzheimer's disease. democratisphere Apr 2017 #2
My money is on borderline personality disorder Amishman Apr 2017 #3
I believe he is well enough testify Deb Apr 2017 #4
Bingo! randr Apr 2017 #5
I think it's de ego and de narcissism as well as de lack of intelligence ksoze Apr 2017 #6
This is what I pass on to people. Girard442 Apr 2017 #7
another symptom I should have mentioned. ginnyinWI Apr 2017 #8
Could be extremely early onset dementia Progressive dog Apr 2017 #9
I had an older friend who had been diagnosed with demetia titaniumsalute Apr 2017 #10
I have been saying all along that I believe he is showing early signs of Alzheimer's. tblue37 Apr 2017 #11
+1 . nt ginnyinWI Apr 2017 #14
People with dementia can get by for a long time, especially in the early stages. Grammy23 Apr 2017 #12
his erratic behavior reminds me of my mom when she was "Sundowning". Javaman Apr 2017 #13
Probably just a little boy who never had to grow up. Orsino Apr 2017 #15
Why do you suppose he keeps his family on payroll near him? rock Apr 2017 #16
he needs to be expected to do the job as well as a president should. or be shown the door. n/t ginnyinWI Apr 2017 #17
Agreed rock Apr 2017 #18
I don't think he has dementia LeftInTX Apr 2017 #19
I can't say for sure, since I am not Dr. Frist... madinmaryland Apr 2017 #20
No. He's just an asshole Generic Brad Apr 2017 #21
He has Mussolini-itis. Kingofalldems Apr 2017 #22

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
1. my father has mild dementia but hes a vet with ptsd and 91!...
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 09:29 AM
Apr 2017

....but you are right.. I see a LOT of the same behavior in both.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
3. My money is on borderline personality disorder
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 09:38 AM
Apr 2017

From NIH


Borderline personality disorder (BPD) is a serious mental disorder marked by a pattern of ongoing instability in moods, behavior, self-image, and functioning. These experiences often result in impulsive actions and unstable relationships. A person with BPD may experience intense episodes of anger, depression, and anxiety that may last from only a few hours to days.

Some people with BPD also have high rates of co-occurring mental disorders, such as mood disorders, anxiety disorders, and eating disorders, along with substance abuse, self-harm, suicidal thinking and behaviors, and suicide.

While mental health experts now generally agree that the label "borderline personality disorder" is very misleading, a more accurate term does not exist yet.

Signs and Symptoms

People with BPD may experience extreme mood swings and can display uncertainty about who they are. As a result, their interests and values can change rapidly.

Other symptoms include

Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment

A pattern of intense and unstable relationships with family, friends, and loved ones, often swinging from extreme closeness and love (idealization) to extreme dislike or anger (devaluation)

Distorted and unstable self-image or sense of self

Impulsive and often dangerous behaviors, such as spending sprees, unsafe sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, and binge eating

Recurring suicidal behaviors or threats or self-harming behavior, such as cutting

Intense and highly changeable moods, with each episode lasting from a few hours to a few days

Chronic feelings of emptiness

Inappropriate, intense anger or problems controlling anger

Having stress-related paranoid thoughts

randr

(12,412 posts)
5. Bingo!
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 10:17 AM
Apr 2017

The reason they have moved Ivanka in is so they will have a "closest family member" on hand when they come with the straight jacket.

Girard442

(6,075 posts)
7. This is what I pass on to people.
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 10:21 AM
Apr 2017

Imagine that you are tasked with finding instances of recall, cognition, complex reasoning, sound decision making, and so on that show decisively that Trump does not have some form of deficit, whether it be dementia or something else.

Yeah? What you got so far?

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
8. another symptom I should have mentioned.
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 11:08 AM
Apr 2017

The way they have very flat, placid looks on their faces. Like they are in a fog. He walks around like that. The eyes have no flicker of light in them.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
10. I had an older friend who had been diagnosed with demetia
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 11:12 AM
Apr 2017

He was a radio talk show host. While listening I found he was starting to struggle with bigger words (he had an amazing vocabulary) but he was really fishing for the bigger words. I chalked it up to just being older. He was 77. But it was getting worse by the week almost. The radio station had to let him go finally. I went to visit a few weeks after and he was really into conspiracy theories about the station plotted to have him fired, he was going to sue them for everything, etc. It was all a big plot. He was NEVER a conspiracy type of person. He was also having trouble walking and stabilizing himself as well.

Oof. I fear this ding dong will just let his minions run everything while he golfs.

tblue37

(65,393 posts)
11. I have been saying all along that I believe he is showing early signs of Alzheimer's.
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 11:18 AM
Apr 2017

His father had it, and there is certainly a genetic component to susceptibility.

Compare his thought process and use of language to the way he spoke during interviews and other appearances when he was younger. He was always shallow, booth intellectually and linguistically limited, but nowhere near as linguistically and cognitively limited as he obviously is now.

That video of his wandering away from his signing ceremony without remembering to sign the EO the ceremony had been set up for looks an awful lot like an old guy experiencing sundowning syndrome, especially the hunched over, lumbering body language as he walked out.

The way Pence went after him and reminded him also looked like what we see when family members and friends ride herd on a demential sufferer who is still functional enough not to be put in an assisted living facility yet, but not able any longer to be allowed to wander around on his own.

He is being babysat. In fact, I believe that is why Ivanka sits in on his meetings with world leaders and why she has been placed in a West Wing office. If in fact he does have dementia, as his condition progresses, she might well end up being the only person who can calm and somewhat control him.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
12. People with dementia can get by for a long time, especially in the early stages.
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 11:51 AM
Apr 2017

They may notice the struggle for words or facts as will family members and friends. But their cognitive functioning is still strong enough to "cover" their failing memory or at least make an attempt to keep it hidden. As a family member, friend or in the case of tRump, a supporter or one who voted for him out of party loyalty, you don't WANT to see the person losing their grip on reality. You will make excuses or explain away the symptoms until something big happens that can't be minimized or explained away.

My mother had dementia that her doctor believed was Alzheimer's. (It was never confirmed with an autopsy.) It came on slowly probably for 10+ years before it could not be explained by saying she had always been a little flakey. Or that she had always had trouble keeping her checkbook straight. What confirmed it was when she could no longer remember correctly her nursing facts. She had been a registered nurse, but lost a lot of that knowledge. Oddly enough, for a time, she still held on to the nurturing role nurses often play. At the adult day care center where she went daily (while my husband and I worked) she thought she was employed there as a nurse. She walked around to other clients, taking their pulse, asking how they felt, etc. It was touching to see how long she held to that belief and NO ONE took that away from her, especially the staff who knew everyone needs purpose in their lives.

If tRump is suffering a form of dementia, he will reach a tipping point where it cannot be hidden or explained away. We remember Nancy Reagan prompting a memory stumped President Reagan in front of cameras and a microphone. It was very telling and tragic at the same time. We can guess and speculate about tRump's cognitive deficits and their cause, but at some point it will be clear and we can know the truth. Let's hope that someone with the knowledge and power can stop him before he destroys everything.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
13. his erratic behavior reminds me of my mom when she was "Sundowning".
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 11:58 AM
Apr 2017

Sundowning, or sundown syndrome[1] is a neurological phenomenon associated with increased confusion and restlessness in patients with delirium or some form of dementia. Most commonly associated with Alzheimer's disease, but also found in those with other forms of dementia, the term "sundowning" was coined due to the timing of the patient's confusion. For patients with sundowning syndrome, a multitude of behavioral problems begin to occur in the evening or while the sun is setting.[2][3][4] Sundowning seems to occur more frequently during the middle stages of Alzheimer's disease and mixed dementia. Patients are generally able to understand that this behavioral pattern is abnormal. Sundowning seems to subside with the progression of a patient's dementia.[2][3] Research shows that 20–45% of Alzheimer's patients will experience some sort of sundowning confusion.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundowning

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
15. Probably just a little boy who never had to grow up.
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 12:38 PM
Apr 2017

His lifestyle is carefully managed so as to place as few demands on his brain as possible.

He could conceal any dementia much longer than most people.

rock

(13,218 posts)
16. Why do you suppose he keeps his family on payroll near him?
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 02:30 PM
Apr 2017

It's because the answer to your question is, "Yes." He needs lots of shepherds.

LeftInTX

(25,364 posts)
19. I don't think he has dementia
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 05:48 PM
Apr 2017

President Obama stated you have to really want the job as POTUS. He says if you aren't in 100 percent, things will go bad pretty fast.

Trump is inept. He was not prepared for the job. He's in over his head. He's acting out due to his ongoing personality issues.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
20. I can't say for sure, since I am not Dr. Frist...
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 07:45 PM
Apr 2017

I suppose it could be early on-set dementia. But I have seen many people who have dementia even in the early stages, there is a change in personality and there is often a lessening of facial expressions.

I think tRumps issues are more age, rather than dementia. He doesn't really seemed to have changed since he came on the stage in the 1970's. He just gotten old.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
21. No. He's just an asshole
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 07:52 PM
Apr 2017

Loved ones can cover up assholish behavior only so long and they may even try to minimize the damage. But when they are assholes too, all hope of normalcy is lost.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»is it dementia with Donn...