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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe GOP is pulling the trigger on the nuclear option - live on teetvee
disgusting
wcmagumba
(2,886 posts)rat f**king bastards! Hopefully it will come back to haunt them...
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The people you are talking about are just Republicans.
dawg
(10,624 posts)In many ways, they were even more damaging to the cause.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)I must say, however, that I see no evidence that this is forthcoming. They've been accumulating power, and exercising it effectively, since the day the ACA was passed.
Now, will they eliminate the Filibuster entirely? That is what an Authoritarian, One-party state would do.
Orrex
(63,213 posts)Republicans would have howled like children and shrieked about how Democrats have no respect for the American people or the legislative process, and they would have successfully woven that into their election strategy, eagerly assisted by a media ever-eager to paint Democrats as incompetent obstructionists.
And today the media would be playing it's "both sides are the same" card, vilifying Democrats for opposing Gorsuch.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Either way, the nuclear option is their thing.
Yavin4
(35,441 posts)The filibuster cannot survive this partisan environment.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)They will rue the day they did this. The day those fucks majority comes to an end, as it will, is when the "Regret" starts. Couldn't happen to a more deserving Rouges gallery of worthless pieces of shit!
TeamPooka
(24,228 posts)0rganism
(23,955 posts)the idea that our senators could filibuster the destruction of America was a fanciful one
the tearing down shall proceed apace
if the DNC has any ambition for electoral success whatsoever, there are already campaign ads ready to run next week featuring this situation
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)people will realize too late.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Why do we keep doing that, I wonder? Are we Democrats so stupid as a group that we can't see what will happen if we fail to elect Democrats? Will we see even now? I'm beginning to wonder...
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)Voters at least.
In fact, we do the heavy lifting.
The problem are the 1/3 of the country that votes R and the 1/3 of tge county that either sits out elections or votes third party.
We are pushing mud ....
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)since I was able too...and I always pick Democrats. In 2004, Dean was my choice. I still love him...but I worked my ass off for Kerry. Look at people whining about the Democratic Party like they have choice. If they refuse to understand that Democrats are the only agent of progressive change, that it won't happen over night especially after the Trump fiasco, we will see our country literally destroyed...the courts are bad enough...but the environmental stuff is the worst...I mean Trump has Dow Chemical on speed dial. It is very hard to fix the environment and sometimes impossible which is why Stein should resign immediately from the Green party...no one who supported Trump, and she did should call themselves a Green.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)Gore would not have started the avalanche that has enflamed the entire middle east. Kerry would never have put judges on the Sumpreme Court who would have agreed with Citizens United or gutted the civil rights voting act.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)And if we had followed his plans we would have been energy independent twenty five years ago and the US would be a world leader in the use and production of solar and wind energy. We would not have gotten involved with the first Gulf War. Osama bin Laden would not have had an excuse to start Al Qaeda and the 1993 and 2001 attacks on the World Trade Centers would never have happened. Global climate change would not be as great a threat as it is now, with the reduction in the use of fossil fuels President Carter proposed.
https://www.cartercenter.org/about/experts/jimmy_carter.html
Given President Carter's ability to negotiate, maybe he could have brought peace between the Israelis and Palestinians. Perhaps have could have worked with Sadam Hussein to arrive at a more rational situation in the Middle East. After all, Cater did negotiate a peace between Israel and Egypt that has lasted even with the turmoil currently in the region.
https://www.cartercenter.org/about/experts/jimmy_carter.html
This world would be significantly better if the country had not put a has been actor in the White House instead of returning a rational, intelligent man to the position.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)A lying conman who cares nothing for our country or its people.
I still argue with idiots who think Reagan was the best president of the 20th century, they really brainwashed Americans when it came to ole Ronnie. Let's hope we can prevent them from rewriting Trump's history the same way.
Sigh...
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Many seem to like flash with no substance and value ignorance over depth of knowledge and understanding. Ronald Reagan was the first warning flag but the Democratic Party did not seem to realize how dangerous he was.
Now they are trying to re-write President Obama's history the way they have President Carter's - two of the most intelligent men to hold the office in my lifetime are smeared as failures while ignorance is lauded as a virtue. Even today's Democrats seem to accept the Reagan claims that Carter was a failure. Carter was a failure in that he would not sacrifice his values to cave in to corporations and conmen.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)We still have to fight fake news and old lies about Obama on social media. Will it make a difference? I hope so. Maybe if we could have called out their blatant lies about Carter he would be afforded the respect he deserves.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)Stardust
(3,894 posts)Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)Even when we regain power, we will live with the results for many years. And I have said what you said multiple times...and who had a hand in our loss in 2000...the Greens and Ralph Nader...then they have the nerve to complain about money in politics when they helped United pass by electing Bush.
kentuck
(111,098 posts)They will begin the debate.
spanone
(135,841 posts)okieinpain
(9,397 posts)okieinpain
(9,397 posts)return the favor when they are running the senate. will they nominate a true liberal justice or will they pick someone to make everyone happy.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)And no the Dems will not appoint a consensus candidate...Garland was appointed because the GOP had the Senate and it did not good anyway.
okieinpain
(9,397 posts)The only leverage they have is the threat of appointing someone the repub would not want.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)It is an honorable thing to do and it highlights the fact that the GOP cheated...I don't know what will happen though because there will never be another judge confirmed when opposite parties hold the Senate and White House. Hubs and I were talking about that...I don't see a way out of this mess. If we take back the Senate...then orange asshat gets no more SCOTUS picks...after all when they thought Hillary would win, eight was enough. But as I said this is not a good situation moving forward for the country. My suggestion is every judge gets a vote period (after the GOP are punished for Garland)...thus if there is a simple majority of votes than, he/she is in...no more holds and no more filibusters.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)He will have his way come hell or high water.
Bluepinky
(2,272 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)when a democratic senate confirms 2 or 3 democratic presidential appointees and conservatives can only whine. Nuclear option removes them from all of it...so it may suck now...but in a few years the payback will be glorious
caroldansen
(725 posts)democrats take over the senate.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)that would be funny...more splintering of conservatives, now in the senate...
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)I know he looks like a turtle but turtles are pretty cool. He is more like a tape worm in the gut of America.
2naSalit
(86,636 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)Today, the CBC still has an article saying this could happen. So what did they do live on TV yesterday?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/senate-filibuster-neil-gorsuch-1.4055735
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)that the Republicans essentially pushed the nuclear option button back in 2005 during the confirmation of Alito and Roberts by threatening Democrats into refusing to filibuster either of them. This is the first time since then that Republicans have had a Republican President filling a Supreme Court seat and now they are just making it explicit: Filibuster usage is solely the property of Republicans, though it may now cease to exist entirely since the parties have been undermining it in recent years- albeit Democrats finally chose to respond to the rather severe abuse by Republicans that was undermining the appointment of individuals to cabinet positions and the Federal Judiciary under President Obama.