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The GOP is pulling the trigger on the nuclear option - live on teetvee (Original Post) jpak Apr 2017 OP
Knew they would... wcmagumba Apr 2017 #1
Stein, Sarandon, Goodman, Greenwald, Assange, the "Sane Progressive" are all ratfuckers. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #9
You left out Cenk and the Young Turks. dawg Apr 2017 #20
Fortune's Wheel will roll over them soon enough. nt Xipe Totec Apr 2017 #2
Fun dayn moyl zu Got's oyem. maxsolomon Apr 2017 #42
If Reid had gone nuclear back in the day... Orrex Apr 2017 #3
They were going to do it this time or the next... Stellar Apr 2017 #4
They were going to do it eventually. Yavin4 Apr 2017 #5
They will regret it one day. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #6
Agreed! GWC58 Apr 2017 #31
dedicating myself to making this happen. TeamPooka Apr 2017 #36
at this point, it's best for everyone if we discard empty illusions as quickly as possible 0rganism Apr 2017 #7
Yes, it is a fantasy. This is why this particular election was so important...sadly Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #10
Indeed it was. And we blew our chance. MineralMan Apr 2017 #11
It isn't really democrats Cosmocat Apr 2017 #14
There is no party loyalty...I have voted in every election Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #26
When wasn't an election important! karynnj Apr 2017 #13
Step back even farther - if Jimmy Carter had been re-elected csziggy Apr 2017 #15
And they followed up by replacing a true statesman with a game show host last year. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #19
Americans no longer know what a real statesman is csziggy Apr 2017 #21
Well said. Unfortunately. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #22
Great case made for a great man, who has been underrated. Nt karynnj Apr 2017 #23
I love this post! If only... Stardust Apr 2017 #35
All elections are important, but this one was critical for SCOTUS. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #24
Amen uponit7771 Apr 2017 #12
They are voting on cloture. kentuck Apr 2017 #8
GOOD they own it. spanone Apr 2017 #16
did anyone think they wouldn't do it? n/t. okieinpain Apr 2017 #17
my only real concern is will the dems okieinpain Apr 2017 #18
Once they use the nuclear option, the filibuster is dead. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #25
Then they might as well appoint gorsuch. okieinpain Apr 2017 #38
We can't stop Gorsuch but we can resist and make it hard on Turtle man... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #43
I hope to god that's true Kentonio Apr 2017 #39
This is all Mitch McConnell's doing vlyons Apr 2017 #27
Mitch has been incredibly successful at sabotaging our democracy from within. Bluepinky Apr 2017 #34
conservatives will be finding out how it feel in 2021 beachbum bob Apr 2017 #28
If they do it will come back to haunt them and bite them in the butt so to speak, when the caroldansen Apr 2017 #29
exactly..and mcconnel may find out 3 or 4 of his team may not support a nuclear option beachbum bob Apr 2017 #32
McConnell killed the traditions of the Senate bronxiteforever Apr 2017 #30
+1 2naSalit Apr 2017 #33
What did this mean yesterday? muriel_volestrangler Apr 2017 #37
Joshua Marshall (TPM) recently argued Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2017 #40
Goodbye, legitimacy of the Senate ck4829 Apr 2017 #41
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
9. Stein, Sarandon, Goodman, Greenwald, Assange, the "Sane Progressive" are all ratfuckers.
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 02:44 PM
Apr 2017

The people you are talking about are just Republicans.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
42. Fun dayn moyl zu Got's oyem.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:37 PM
Apr 2017

I must say, however, that I see no evidence that this is forthcoming. They've been accumulating power, and exercising it effectively, since the day the ACA was passed.

Now, will they eliminate the Filibuster entirely? That is what an Authoritarian, One-party state would do.

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
3. If Reid had gone nuclear back in the day...
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 02:22 PM
Apr 2017

Republicans would have howled like children and shrieked about how Democrats have no respect for the American people or the legislative process, and they would have successfully woven that into their election strategy, eagerly assisted by a media ever-eager to paint Democrats as incompetent obstructionists.

And today the media would be playing it's "both sides are the same" card, vilifying Democrats for opposing Gorsuch.

GWC58

(2,678 posts)
31. Agreed!
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 09:29 AM
Apr 2017

They will rue the day they did this. The day those fucks majority comes to an end, as it will, is when the "Regret" starts. Couldn't happen to a more deserving Rouges gallery of worthless pieces of shit!

0rganism

(23,955 posts)
7. at this point, it's best for everyone if we discard empty illusions as quickly as possible
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 02:35 PM
Apr 2017

the idea that our senators could filibuster the destruction of America was a fanciful one
the tearing down shall proceed apace
if the DNC has any ambition for electoral success whatsoever, there are already campaign ads ready to run next week featuring this situation

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
10. Yes, it is a fantasy. This is why this particular election was so important...sadly
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 02:54 PM
Apr 2017

people will realize too late.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
11. Indeed it was. And we blew our chance.
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 03:11 PM
Apr 2017

Why do we keep doing that, I wonder? Are we Democrats so stupid as a group that we can't see what will happen if we fail to elect Democrats? Will we see even now? I'm beginning to wonder...

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
14. It isn't really democrats
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 04:26 PM
Apr 2017

Voters at least.

In fact, we do the heavy lifting.

The problem are the 1/3 of the country that votes R and the 1/3 of tge county that either sits out elections or votes third party.

We are pushing mud ....

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
26. There is no party loyalty...I have voted in every election
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 09:21 AM
Apr 2017

since I was able too...and I always pick Democrats. In 2004, Dean was my choice. I still love him...but I worked my ass off for Kerry. Look at people whining about the Democratic Party like they have choice. If they refuse to understand that Democrats are the only agent of progressive change, that it won't happen over night especially after the Trump fiasco, we will see our country literally destroyed...the courts are bad enough...but the environmental stuff is the worst...I mean Trump has Dow Chemical on speed dial. It is very hard to fix the environment and sometimes impossible which is why Stein should resign immediately from the Green party...no one who supported Trump, and she did should call themselves a Green.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
13. When wasn't an election important!
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 04:21 PM
Apr 2017

Gore would not have started the avalanche that has enflamed the entire middle east. Kerry would never have put judges on the Sumpreme Court who would have agreed with Citizens United or gutted the civil rights voting act.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
15. Step back even farther - if Jimmy Carter had been re-elected
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 04:59 PM
Apr 2017

And if we had followed his plans we would have been energy independent twenty five years ago and the US would be a world leader in the use and production of solar and wind energy. We would not have gotten involved with the first Gulf War. Osama bin Laden would not have had an excuse to start Al Qaeda and the 1993 and 2001 attacks on the World Trade Centers would never have happened. Global climate change would not be as great a threat as it is now, with the reduction in the use of fossil fuels President Carter proposed.

On the domestic side, the administration's achievements included a comprehensive energy program conducted by a new Department of Energy; deregulation in energy, transportation, communications, and finance; major educational programs under a new Department of Education; and major environmental protection legislation, including the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act.
https://www.cartercenter.org/about/experts/jimmy_carter.html


Given President Carter's ability to negotiate, maybe he could have brought peace between the Israelis and Palestinians. Perhaps have could have worked with Sadam Hussein to arrive at a more rational situation in the Middle East. After all, Cater did negotiate a peace between Israel and Egypt that has lasted even with the turmoil currently in the region.

Significant foreign policy accomplishments of his administration included the Panama Canal treaties, the Camp David Accords, the treaty of peace between Egypt and Israel, the SALT II treaty with the Soviet Union, and the establishment of U.S. diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China. He championed human rights throughout the world.
https://www.cartercenter.org/about/experts/jimmy_carter.html


This world would be significantly better if the country had not put a has been actor in the White House instead of returning a rational, intelligent man to the position.



beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
19. And they followed up by replacing a true statesman with a game show host last year.
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 05:11 PM
Apr 2017

A lying conman who cares nothing for our country or its people.

I still argue with idiots who think Reagan was the best president of the 20th century, they really brainwashed Americans when it came to ole Ronnie. Let's hope we can prevent them from rewriting Trump's history the same way.

Sigh...

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
21. Americans no longer know what a real statesman is
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 05:20 PM
Apr 2017

Many seem to like flash with no substance and value ignorance over depth of knowledge and understanding. Ronald Reagan was the first warning flag but the Democratic Party did not seem to realize how dangerous he was.

Now they are trying to re-write President Obama's history the way they have President Carter's - two of the most intelligent men to hold the office in my lifetime are smeared as failures while ignorance is lauded as a virtue. Even today's Democrats seem to accept the Reagan claims that Carter was a failure. Carter was a failure in that he would not sacrifice his values to cave in to corporations and conmen.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
22. Well said. Unfortunately.
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 06:44 PM
Apr 2017

We still have to fight fake news and old lies about Obama on social media. Will it make a difference? I hope so. Maybe if we could have called out their blatant lies about Carter he would be afforded the respect he deserves.

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
24. All elections are important, but this one was critical for SCOTUS.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 09:14 AM
Apr 2017

Even when we regain power, we will live with the results for many years. And I have said what you said multiple times...and who had a hand in our loss in 2000...the Greens and Ralph Nader...then they have the nerve to complain about money in politics when they helped United pass by electing Bush.

okieinpain

(9,397 posts)
18. my only real concern is will the dems
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 05:11 PM
Apr 2017

return the favor when they are running the senate. will they nominate a true liberal justice or will they pick someone to make everyone happy.

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
25. Once they use the nuclear option, the filibuster is dead.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 09:15 AM
Apr 2017

And no the Dems will not appoint a consensus candidate...Garland was appointed because the GOP had the Senate and it did not good anyway.

okieinpain

(9,397 posts)
38. Then they might as well appoint gorsuch.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:27 PM
Apr 2017

The only leverage they have is the threat of appointing someone the repub would not want.

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
43. We can't stop Gorsuch but we can resist and make it hard on Turtle man...
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 08:29 AM
Apr 2017

It is an honorable thing to do and it highlights the fact that the GOP cheated...I don't know what will happen though because there will never be another judge confirmed when opposite parties hold the Senate and White House. Hubs and I were talking about that...I don't see a way out of this mess. If we take back the Senate...then orange asshat gets no more SCOTUS picks...after all when they thought Hillary would win, eight was enough. But as I said this is not a good situation moving forward for the country. My suggestion is every judge gets a vote period (after the GOP are punished for Garland)...thus if there is a simple majority of votes than, he/she is in...no more holds and no more filibusters.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
28. conservatives will be finding out how it feel in 2021
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 09:26 AM
Apr 2017

when a democratic senate confirms 2 or 3 democratic presidential appointees and conservatives can only whine. Nuclear option removes them from all of it...so it may suck now...but in a few years the payback will be glorious

caroldansen

(725 posts)
29. If they do it will come back to haunt them and bite them in the butt so to speak, when the
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 09:27 AM
Apr 2017

democrats take over the senate.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
32. exactly..and mcconnel may find out 3 or 4 of his team may not support a nuclear option
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 09:34 AM
Apr 2017

that would be funny...more splintering of conservatives, now in the senate...

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
30. McConnell killed the traditions of the Senate
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 09:27 AM
Apr 2017


I know he looks like a turtle but turtles are pretty cool. He is more like a tape worm in the gut of America.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
37. What did this mean yesterday?
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:20 PM
Apr 2017

Today, the CBC still has an article saying this could happen. So what did they do live on TV yesterday?

Democrats plan to block Gorsuch's nomination with a filibuster. In doing so, however, they risk daring Republicans to break the log-jam by triggering a drastic and far-reaching rule change known as the "nuclear option."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/senate-filibuster-neil-gorsuch-1.4055735

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
40. Joshua Marshall (TPM) recently argued
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:31 PM
Apr 2017

that the Republicans essentially pushed the nuclear option button back in 2005 during the confirmation of Alito and Roberts by threatening Democrats into refusing to filibuster either of them. This is the first time since then that Republicans have had a Republican President filling a Supreme Court seat and now they are just making it explicit: Filibuster usage is solely the property of Republicans, though it may now cease to exist entirely since the parties have been undermining it in recent years- albeit Democrats finally chose to respond to the rather severe abuse by Republicans that was undermining the appointment of individuals to cabinet positions and the Federal Judiciary under President Obama.

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