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kentuck

(111,098 posts)
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 02:19 PM Apr 2017

There are two possibilities in the Trump/Russia investigation.

One, with all the Russian connections, there is something very shady and dishonorable, and devious taking place. The Russians have planted agents and turned Americans at the very highest levels of our government. Their goal is to divide and conquer and to destroy our democracy from the inside.

Or, two, Trump and his team have so many business deals with Russia that it is impossible not to talk with them, even if on the sly and in secret. The business deals in the pipeline, so to speak, were continued once Trump was nominated and once he was in the White House. The deals may have accelerated since Trump moved into the White House. Trump is in a dangerous conflict of interest with his deals made with Russia.

In my opinion, it is one of these two possibilities. Neither should be acceptable to the American people.

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Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
3. A 3rd possibility: it's both
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 02:27 PM
Apr 2017

I believe it's a combination of the two scenarios you described. And that there is also "active participation" by Americans within government and in business sector hat have profited and been happy to do so. And the latest revelation about Carter Page being recruited and also about the Erik Prince back channel meetings, shows me it's far darker and bigger than we can imagine.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
5. Think it's both, the campaign was an extension of the earlier business deals
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 02:27 PM
Apr 2017

Don't think even Putin could believe they got away with it. It all came down to a few thousand votes in 3 states, but their actions in Fla & Ohio set the stage for the final outcome to get him over the top.

Remember that Russia is the home to chess grandmasters, they know when and how to win just enough to come out on top at the end of a grueling series of matches.

NotMyPresident

(4 posts)
6. JKushner's stealth data machine in Trump Tower linked to Russians and Betsy DeVos Spectrum Health
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 02:27 PM
Apr 2017

Bill Palmer of the 'Palmer Report' and the 'Tea Pain' report that Trump Tower’s server was getting a whole lot more from Russia than just email'. Per their reporting 'It’s long been documented that a private email server inside Donald Trump’s home base Trump Tower was communicating almost exclusively with a Russian bank during the 2016 election. More recently it’s been documented that the server also had connections to Trump’s Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos (link). But based on new data analysis from political pundit Tea Pain, it turns out there was a whole lot more going back and forth than just email – and Trump’s son in law Jared Kushner was at the center of it'.

'Tea Pain, who has made a name for himself in political circles on Twitter, has rolled out a website of his own in order to document his analysis of the data traffic to and from the Trump Tower server. It builds on the revelation that Jared Kushner had a “stealth data machine” (source: Forbes) for figuring out how to target voters.
Tea Pain has focused in on Database Replication, which is how two or more computers in different locations manage to store and share the same collection of data. Changes to that database on one computer get automatically applied to that same database on other computers. And the data flowing between Trump Tower, Russia’s Alfa Bank, and Betsy DeVos’ Spectrum Health exhibits telltale signs of Database Replication. Tea Pain goes deep into analysis of the data logs and comes up with the following stunning and well supported conclusion':

“Tea Pain’s working theory is that Russia created a voter targeting database with information gleaned from hacked DNC data rolls and other data rolls ‘acquired’ from other states to feed this growing contact database. That database originated at Russian Intelligence which was in turn replicated to Russia’s Alfa Bank. This is where the ‘data laundering’ takes place, Alfa Bank is the pivot point where the FSB’s data fingerprints are wiped clean.”
His data analysis is long and technical, but worth your time because it’s so crucial in providing an understanding into why the Trump Tower server existed and why it’s so important that the FBI is investigating it. And it plays right into what we already know about Jared Kushner’s role with voter data. You can read Tea Pain’s analysis below:

'Data Patterns Suggest Trump Tower/Spectrum Health Ran a “Stealth Data Machine” With Russia

We pull back the curtain on Jared Kushner’s “Stealth Data Machine.”
Jared Kushner is currently taking a victory lap, crowin’ about his “Stealth Data Machine” that put Donald Trump over the top in the 2016 race. Let’s pry off the lid and peer into the inner-workings of this “Data Machine.”

The Signal in the Noise

Building on the work of @LouiseMensch and data analysis by @Conspirator0 on Twitter, Tea Pain has stumbled onto a possible “signal in the noise” that opens a window into the data-swappin’ shenanigans going on between Trump Tower, Spectrum Health and Russia’s Alfa Bank during the election.

Spectrum Health, owned by Michigan’s powerful Devos family, attempted to explain the IP activity as “Voice over IP traffic”, whereas Alfa Bank offered an even more exotic explanation that “hackers attempted to make it look like we contacted Trump Tower.”

The data traffic, when analyzed, tells a very different story, a story of automated, orchestrated data sharing among multiple sites for a strategic end.

Tea Pain originally dismissed this story as a possible red-herring. With the Russia craze at a fever pitch, this activity could be explained by what Tea’s daddy used to say, “When you got a new hammer, everything looks like a nail.” But when Tea Pain saw the data patterns analyzed by Conspiritor0, he knew he’d spotted something mighty familiar: Database Replication. Put a pin in that, more on that later.
At first, data analysts were puzzled by what appeared to be random activity with no apparent pattern. Perhaps it was email activity? Maybe money transfers? But there were literally thousands of these IP “pings.”

Once the activity was charted, a pattern emerged. For example, a connection is made from Alfa Bank to Trump Tower, which may last anywhere from 1 minute to 15 minutes or more, followed by a longer “sleep” period. When averaged over months, these events charted an average time between connections to be 3660 seconds, or 1 hour and 1 minute. Whatever was running, it would hook up, transfer data for a few minutes, then go to sleep for an hour.

This was the clue that led Tea Pain to formulate a much clearer working model to explain what we were all seeing: SQL Server Database Replication between multiple sites.

Database Replication

What Is Database Replication?

Database Replication is a rather simple concept. When you have a database with millions of records representing hundreds of gigabytes of data, and you would like to keep a copy of that database housed in 2 or more locations, it makes no sense to continually copy the entire database from point A to point B every time a change is made, so you “replicate” it.

This allows only the changes made to be sent from one database to another. This is accomplished by a process that runs on timely intervals, usually an hour, that wakes up and checks the changes made since the last hour and broadcasts those changes to the other database. The other database, in turn, check for its changes and broadcasts them in the other direction. Voila! Both database are identical!

So what does the data traffic patterns suggest? Check out the chart below. Behold, Kushner’s “Stealth Data Machine.”
So what does the data traffic patterns suggest? Check out the chart below. Behold, Kushner’s “Stealth Data Machine.”

Russia Data Traffic

The white box illustrates the scope of data we can now observe. The bulk of the replication took place between Trump Tower and Alfa Bank, while smaller amounts of data were transferred between Trump Tower and Spectrum Health. If, for example, Trump Tower talked to Alfa Bank for 10 minutes, the next Spectrum-Trump Tower connection might last only one minute, indicating data replicated from Trump Tower to the Devos health care empire was being filtered, perhaps by “WHERE StateCode=’MI'” for example. But when changes were made at Spectrum, things looked very different.

IP Packetts

Conspiritor0 noted that when Spectrum connected to Trump Tower, Trump Tower’s next connect time was significantly longer, indicating Spectrum had modified a large chunk of records that had to be synced to Trump Tower, then pushed on to Alfa Bank. This detail was important in identifying that replication was in use. In this scenario, Trump Tower was functioning as a center-point, a data-distribution center if you will.

We don’t know what was in these data packets; that info is beyond our purview at this time, but ask yourself a simple question and you find your answer: “What does Trump Tower, the Devos Family and the Russians all have in common? A desire for Donald Trump to be President of the United States.

Tea Pain’s working theory is that Russia created a voter targeting database with information gleaned from hacked DNC data rolls and other data rolls “acquired” from other states to feed this growing contact database. That database originated at Russian Intelligence which was in turn replicated to Russia’s Alfa Bank. This is where the “data laundering” takes place, Alfa Bank is the pivot point where the FSB’s data fingerprints are wiped clean. Ironically Russia launders its data at the same place it launders its money.

In New York Trump Tower could merge data into this system using various legal sources as well. Spectrum Health could also add value to the data by matching names and addresses in their extensive healthcare databases to harvest email addresses and phone numbers to flesh out this list. All these changes would be promptly replicated back to Russia in a matter of hours.

'Once back in the hands of Russian Intelligence, this massaged data could be programmatically matched up with social media handles to create a micro-targeted “hit list” for the thousand Russian trolls employed by Putin.

The Payoff

How is this a breakthrough? Now that we have identified the likely means of how this data was transferred, data analysts now have more precise points to search for to arrive at a complete reveal of the massive data collusion between Team Trump and America’s foremost adversary.

The “beauty” of this system is its simplicity. Here’s some bullet-points to sum up.

1. No special software needed. SQL Server is used in most every major enterprise. Replication is a built-in tool. No mysterious hidden processes, viruses, malware, etc.
2. Virtually undetectable. No one would blink an eye at data replication, a standard business practice.
3. Could all be set up remotely with only VPN credentials and remote desktop access, information that is often shared via routine third-party data audits. No one inside Trump Tower or Spectrum’s IT department need be involved. One Russian Intelligence data operative could set this up in less than an hour at each location. No low-level “conspirators” needed.'
Value could be added to the data anywhere in the chain and it would promote back to Russian Intelligence within 2-3 hours.
4. All data-transmission would be out in the open, mixed in with the daily flow of business.
5. Even if found, the data would look benign, just names, addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, social media handles, etc. No financial information. It would look just like a contact lead database purchased from any data-mining merchant.
6. Trump/Spectrum operatives and employees in the United States could interact with this list and have no clue the origins of the data were nefarious. This plain-sight approach was the key to its success.


This information was found via the Palmer Report and Tea Pain websites.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,721 posts)
8. It's very likely both things are true and can't be separated from each other.
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 02:40 PM
Apr 2017

Putin wants to restore Russia to its previous status as a superpower (with any luck, the superpower), which he intends to do without the messiness and expense of a shooting war. But the other part of this is that the Russian government is essentially a criminal enterprise. It is inextricably connected with the so-called "oligarchs," who are mobsters like our Mafia but much richer and much more powerful. Some of them are actually in the government; others "advise" the government; there is no bright line between the official government and the oligarchy. Trump and his cronies have obtained financing from Russian businessmen and banks, which means they are tangled up with criminal enterprises just as if they were financed by John Gotti.

Trump is trying to cover up the financial connections with Russia (the answer is always follow the money) because there will almost certainly be evidence of money laundering, tax evasion and racketeering. He does not want to get crosswise with Putin for very obvious reasons: Putin could ruin him with strategic leaks regarding his finances. Or worse, considering the trail of dead Russians. Clearly Putin will protect Trump for as long as he does Putin's bidding, so for now Putin will resist any claims of collusion in order to ensure Trump stays in power - but if Trump becomes a liability, all bets are off. If the investigations that have just started turn up solid evidence of Trump's dodgy financial deals with the oligarchs and even the GOP abandons him, it will be interesting to see whether Trump will still be his BFF.

CousinIT

(9,247 posts)
9. Both are acceptable to congressional Republicans though, who don't give a damn about oversight
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 02:46 PM
Apr 2017

when a Republican (ANY Republican) is in the Oval Office.

longship

(40,416 posts)
10. There are two kinds of people.
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 05:22 PM
Apr 2017

Those who see every situation as a dichotomy.

And those who see things as multi-factorial.




Almost forgot. R&

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