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xor

(1,204 posts) Tue Apr 4, 2017, 06:04 PM Apr 2017

So, I've been going through The Federalists Papers and other writings from that time period.

I find it interesting how many of the same things we debate and discuss now were top on their minds back then. I also find it interesting how so many conservatives claim that these writings support their backassward views, but really it seems they are stating the opposite in a lot of cases. I need go back through and take some notes for future use when someone says something stupid.

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So, I've been going through The Federalists Papers and other writings from that time period. (Original Post) xor Apr 2017 OP

It's the age old power struggle of some elite group or another Cary Apr 2017 #1

classic liberals... jmg257 Apr 2017 #3

I don't buy this. Cary Apr 2017 #4

John Jay got sick after writing five... nycbos Apr 2017 #2

Cary

(11,746 posts)

1. It's the age old power struggle of some elite group or another

Reply to xor (Original post)

Tue Apr 4, 2017, 06:07 PM

Apr 2017

Against the masses.

The founding fathers were flaming liberals.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)

3. classic liberals...

Reply to Cary (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 4, 2017, 06:13 PM

Apr 2017

America’s founding fathers were classical liberals, meaning they favored liberty, private property, capitalism, freedom of religion, and a limited Republican style of government.

http://factmyth.com/factoids/americas-founding-fathers-were-liberals/

Cary

(11,746 posts)

4. I don't buy this.

Reply to jmg257 (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 4, 2017, 06:30 PM

Apr 2017

They lived in a preindustrialist, agrarian society. They were vastly wealthier than the British peers, but didn't have political power. That is a recipe for a successful revolution.

But I don't think you can apply big L Liberalism to them. That came a bit later.

nycbos

(6,034 posts)

2. John Jay got sick after writing five...

Reply to xor (Original post)

Tue Apr 4, 2017, 06:10 PM

Apr 2017

... Madison Road 29. Hamilton wrote the other 51 . Sorry couldn't resist.

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