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Jose Garcia

(2,598 posts) Thu Apr 6, 2017, 12:38 PM Apr 2017

Joe Manchin

Only Senator who opposed eliminating filibuster in 2013 and 2017.

Love him or hate him, but don't call him a hypocrite.

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Joe Manchin (Original Post) Jose Garcia Apr 2017 OP

By far the best we will get in WVA. And many of us were concerned about it in 2013. stevenleser Apr 2017 #1

They needed no justification, that's just a cover story. old guy Apr 2017 #3

You don't know that. It would have been a tough sell without 2013 and easy to fight and criticize stevenleser Apr 2017 #4

You doubt they could pull it off right now but you don't know that. old guy Apr 2017 #5

I know they couldn't execute on their biggest priority. Hows that? What supporting evidence do you stevenleser Apr 2017 #6

If the biggest priority was health care, they never voted and believe me that issue is far from dead. old guy Apr 2017 #7

I never said it WAS dead. I said they couldn't execute. We both know that was a massive failure. nt stevenleser Apr 2017 #8

I understand the dark red state Dems political vote for the court Bastard, Dawson Leery Apr 2017 #2

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)

1. By far the best we will get in WVA. And many of us were concerned about it in 2013.

Reply to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Apr 6, 2017, 12:40 PM

Apr 2017

Only to be told by many here that we were being too timid. Now it turns out we gave the GOP justification to install a horrible young SCOTUS judge.

old guy

(3,283 posts)

3. They needed no justification, that's just a cover story.

Reply to stevenleser (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 6, 2017, 12:47 PM

Apr 2017

This would have been done regardless of 2013.

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)

4. You don't know that. It would have been a tough sell without 2013 and easy to fight and criticize

Reply to old guy (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 6, 2017, 12:56 PM

Apr 2017

at a time when the GOP is in complete disarray in both congress and the White House, without the justification of Democrats having done something similar a few years ago, I doubt they could pull this off right now.

old guy

(3,283 posts)

5. You doubt they could pull it off right now but you don't know that.

Reply to stevenleser (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 6, 2017, 01:07 PM

Apr 2017

You're speculating to support your opinion. As far as the disarray is concerned, it is not as big a deal as it appears. Remember that the repubs control the government from top to bottom and things will only happen with their blessing regardless of our opposition. They don't need anything from us.

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)

6. I know they couldn't execute on their biggest priority. Hows that? What supporting evidence do you

Reply to old guy (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 6, 2017, 01:14 PM

Apr 2017

have?

old guy

(3,283 posts)

7. If the biggest priority was health care, they never voted and believe me that issue is far from dead.

Reply to stevenleser (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 6, 2017, 01:50 PM

Apr 2017

As far as that affecting the filibuster vote, I fail to see a connection. Disarray? They said if they didn't get their way they would eliminate the filibuster that is what they did with every repub voting for it. That is not really disarray. We can go on and on about who is responsible and who to blame but it is all moot now, the filibuster is dead.

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)

8. I never said it WAS dead. I said they couldn't execute. We both know that was a massive failure. nt

Reply to old guy (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 6, 2017, 01:55 PM

Apr 2017

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)

2. I understand the dark red state Dems political vote for the court Bastard,

Reply to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Apr 6, 2017, 12:45 PM

Apr 2017

as long as they do not vote to end the filibuster, which they did not.
I am on board with every Democrat running for Senate next year.

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