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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 01:10 PM Apr 2017

220 Cities Losing All Passenger Train Service per Trump Elimination of Federal Funding for Amtrak

220 Cities Losing All Passenger Train Service per Trump Elimination of all Federal Funding for Amtrak’s National Network Trains
Source: National Association of Railroad Passengers (NARP) Apr 4, 2017

The National Association of Rail Passengers denounced the budget outline released by the Trump Administration, which slashes investment in transportation infrastructure. These cuts to Amtrak, transit, and commuter rail programs, and even air service to rural towns, would not only cost construction and manufacturing jobs, but place a disproportionate amount of pain on rural and working class communities.

“It’s ironic that President Trump’s first budget proposal undermines the very communities whose economic hardship and sense of isolation from the rest of the country helped propel him into office,” said NARP President Jim Mathews. “These working class communities — many of them located in the Midwest and the South — were tired of being treated like ‘flyover country.’ But by proposing the elimination of Amtrak’s long distance trains, the Trump Administration does them one worse, cutting a vital service that connects these small town economies to the rest of the U.S. These hard working, small town Americans don’t have airports or Uber to turn to; they depend on these trains.”

http://www.masstransitmag.com/press_release/12322126/220-cities-losing-all-passenger-train-service-per-trump-elimination-of-all-federal-funding-for-amtraks-national-network-trains
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220 Cities Losing All Passenger Train Service per Trump Elimination of Federal Funding for Amtrak (Original Post) workinclasszero Apr 2017 OP
I love the train katmondoo Apr 2017 #1
I wish we had a national train system like the EU has too workinclasszero Apr 2017 #2
In much of the EU, the trains system has been privatized DFW Apr 2017 #28
Germany is now using calls for tenders in many cases Ezior Apr 2017 #46
Most of the Regoinalbahnen are fine DFW Apr 2017 #47
Trains and more dugog55 Apr 2017 #9
+100 workinclasszero Apr 2017 #41
We were in Europe last month and took the train from Florence Italy to Venice kimbutgar Apr 2017 #18
I am sad to have missed the golden age of train travel HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #29
I love riding on trains, too. LisaM Apr 2017 #3
he's just a fucking asshole... dhill926 Apr 2017 #4
Ads may write themselves .. but his stupid base will remain stupid Le Gaucher Apr 2017 #14
My son rides Amtrak home from school quite often. Snarkoleptic Apr 2017 #5
That is cheap HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #32
Yeah, the price is right. Sometimes it's more like $110. Snarkoleptic Apr 2017 #40
Congratulations HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #45
Getting rid of Amtrak has been a wet dream of the RW for decades n2doc Apr 2017 #6
Conservatives view mass transit as a form of collectivism BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #19
And they hate anything that provides union jobs. milestogo Apr 2017 #20
My guess is prosperous Amtrak routes get kept and maybe sold off Blue_true Apr 2017 #23
Dutch trains now run on "wind power" SwissTony Apr 2017 #7
It won't be just Trump... Also our republican controlled Congress. keithbvadu2 Apr 2017 #8
Wo didn't see this coming? DK504 Apr 2017 #10
Once these items are eliminated from our budget they'll be nearly impossible to replace groundloop Apr 2017 #11
Now is America great again? world wide wally Apr 2017 #12
Of course, cities vote Democrat, so he is getting his revenge Amishman Apr 2017 #13
I doubt that big cities will suffer much from this item. Blue_true Apr 2017 #24
Bingo workinclasszero Apr 2017 #42
Bastard! smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #15
How many trips to Mar-a-Lago will that pay for? L. Coyote Apr 2017 #16
it's posts like this that make me wish we had a "like" button renate Apr 2017 #39
Who needs trains, anyway CanonRay Apr 2017 #17
Punishing the east and west coasts, and the cities - Democratic strongholds. Impedimentus Apr 2017 #21
Wrong. Big, high population cities will be hurt the least from this item. Blue_true Apr 2017 #25
Beam me up Scotty... Martin Eden Apr 2017 #22
I hate these fucking assholes more every single day! Initech Apr 2017 #26
Be proud, America... Blue_Tires Apr 2017 #27
The ones that will suffer most DFW Apr 2017 #30
That would include us in Harpers Ferry, West Virginia... k8conant Apr 2017 #33
I can imagine DFW Apr 2017 #35
The republicans are pushing this nation further into third world status. liberal N proud Apr 2017 #31
Tinpot disputes like #45 can never make us greater than Europe. nt NCjack Apr 2017 #34
Do you mean despots? k8conant Apr 2017 #37
He's making America great again. lpbk2713 Apr 2017 #36
Oh they can't. How is this possible? nolabear Apr 2017 #38
Another blow to small towns--and a coup for fossil fuel. McCamy Taylor Apr 2017 #43
How many American Jobs will that ruin? FSogol Apr 2017 #44
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
2. I wish we had a national train system like the EU has too
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 01:21 PM
Apr 2017

Trump will destroy what little we do have. Sticking a knife in the back of his rural voters again!

Enjoy Trump voters?!

DFW

(54,414 posts)
28. In much of the EU, the trains system has been privatized
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 04:17 PM
Apr 2017

The service and reliability has predictably gone downhill with it, although they are light years ahead of the States. Düsseldorf to Frankfurt, which used to take almost three hours, now takes 85 minutes. Same, more or less for Brussels-Paris. Even Köln-Paris, which used to take at least six hours, can now be done in 3:15.

The privatizing of the German train system has led to several private trains, some of which provide important regional service the national network does not serve (anymore). On the whole, it still is better than anything we have in the USA, though the lack of funds they invest in maintenance shows, and leads to maddening delays.

Ezior

(505 posts)
46. Germany is now using calls for tenders in many cases
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 07:19 PM
Apr 2017

Still a lot of government money is going into the train system. The system is now run by actual companies instead of government agencies, but that's about it. The most important company Deutsche Bahn is still owned 100% by the Federal Republic (which is a good thing).

For regional train traffic, the Bundesländer (states) call for tenders and the company offering the best solution for a given train connection is allowed to run that connection for xx years. I think there are various models for this, sometimes the winning train company gets to keep all the ticket money plus some money from the state, and sometimes all the ticket money goes to the state, while the state pays for the train service in full. I'm not quite sure about that. In any case, there are quite a few independent companies for this kind of train service. In most cases I think the results are quite good.

Also, most rails are owned by Deutsche Bahn. The government decides on which new rails should be built and I think new rails are paid for 100% through tax payer money. The rails are then given to Deutsche Bahn. Maintenance is supposed to be paid for by the Deutsche Bahn company without using government funds.

Fast train traffic (Intercity and Intercity Express trains) is not financed through the government, and is mostly run by Deutsche Bahn. So they must set ticket prices high enough to pay for trains, electricity, staff, rail/station usage fees, etc. There's an issue because the same company owns the rail network and at the same time operates trains on the network, competing against other companies.

I think train systems can only work okay-ish if funded through the government. Luckily, the German government seems to be okay with that. While we love to complain about Deutsche Bahn, it's actually pretty good IMHO. I love it.

DFW

(54,414 posts)
47. Most of the Regoinalbahnen are fine
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 07:28 PM
Apr 2017

Bur the DB has big maintenance delays, is subject to pressure from small groups like the GDL, and aside from "wir bitten um Ihr Verständnis," doesn't offer much in either consolation or compensation when their trains break down. Of course,often it's in the middle of the winter, and they leave you stranded on a Bahnsteig in Düren, promising some other train is coming in 5 minutes to take you to Brussels when in fact they know full well that it won't be there for at least half an hour. The Deutsche Bahn COULD be wonderful. It's good as a rule, but could be much better.

dugog55

(296 posts)
9. Trains and more
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 03:34 PM
Apr 2017

I look at Europe with their trains, buses, health care models, social safety net programs, and work place benefits and I am so envious.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
41. +100
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 06:50 PM
Apr 2017

We cant have anything good in this country for the common citizen.

Ayn Rand capitalism/GOP dooms us all.

kimbutgar

(21,164 posts)
18. We were in Europe last month and took the train from Florence Italy to Venice
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 03:59 PM
Apr 2017

The year before we took the train from Venice to Zurich. We both commented on how comfortable the train was and how we can't have nice things in America anymore.

I am getting so angry that the tutus brainwashed people voted fir rethugs and chump. They are destroying our country.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
29. I am sad to have missed the golden age of train travel
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 04:18 PM
Apr 2017

Was watching North by Northwest. The train was NICE. And you walked on at Grand Central station. So cool.

 

Le Gaucher

(1,547 posts)
14. Ads may write themselves .. but his stupid base will remain stupid
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 03:47 PM
Apr 2017

They will blame any pain and suffering on Democratic Party.. all the while Repukes go all out to destroy government services

So while they will have my sympathy .. I think they will own a certain amount of responsibility for their collective fate.

I feel real pain for Democratic voters in the area who are really getting pummeled.

Snarkoleptic

(5,998 posts)
5. My son rides Amtrak home from school quite often.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 02:09 PM
Apr 2017

The most recent trip was for a scholarship interview the week before spring break and the 800 mile round trip was around $80.
The following week, he took the train home for spring break as well. By car, each of these round trips would have taken around 12 hours.

What R's are missing is they think Amtrak cuts happen in a vacuum and they don't realize how much commerce is facilitated by Amtrak.
Amtrak saves folks lots of time, money and lowers fuel consumption.
Not that any of that matters to these clowns.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
32. That is cheap
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 04:23 PM
Apr 2017

I take it a few times a year from NYC to the seasonal ferry to Bernieland. $80 each way, one train a day, and 300ish miles. The other crazy thing is that it sells out all seats frequently. The neat thing is that I walk off the train and onto the ferry.

Snarkoleptic

(5,998 posts)
40. Yeah, the price is right. Sometimes it's more like $110.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 06:36 PM
Apr 2017

On the second-to-last trip, we were not sure he'd be getting the scholarship interview, but we bought the ticket in way in advance to avoid it selling out.
Even if we had to burn the ticket, it would have been a good investment vs. the prospect of a 12-hour round trip in the car.
Fortunately, he got the interview AND the scholarship!

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
6. Getting rid of Amtrak has been a wet dream of the RW for decades
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 02:18 PM
Apr 2017

They hate anything that helps people or the environment.

Amtrak has serious issues but still is critical for many folks. And the issues could be greatly eased if CONgress ever wanted to do so.

BannonsLiver

(16,398 posts)
19. Conservatives view mass transit as a form of collectivism
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 04:00 PM
Apr 2017

It's best left to the "filthy Europeans", in their eyes.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
23. My guess is prosperous Amtrak routes get kept and maybe sold off
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 04:03 PM
Apr 2017

to private companies. It is the less travelled routes that the high volume Amtrak routes now support that will die because the private owners will want to maximize profit.

keithbvadu2

(36,829 posts)
8. It won't be just Trump... Also our republican controlled Congress.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 03:32 PM
Apr 2017

It won't be just Trump... Also our republican controlled Congress.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
10. Wo didn't see this coming?
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 03:39 PM
Apr 2017

“It’s ironic that President Trump’s first budget proposal undermines the very communities whose economic hardship ... "

All the people that voted for him will now lose even more because his idiocy. Stopping service to 220 places will destroy their economies, who will pay for his insane "budget", certainly not the 1%.

Amtrak could be a viable operation if it was given the attention it deserves. Once again the people that voted for him isn't listen to one damn word he puked out, except the taunting of reporters and non-RWNJ racists.

groundloop

(11,519 posts)
11. Once these items are eliminated from our budget they'll be nearly impossible to replace
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 03:41 PM
Apr 2017

Our gopers are quickly turning us into a third world country while their 1 percenter owners are taking advantage of tax cuts, reduced oversight, and low wages.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
13. Of course, cities vote Democrat, so he is getting his revenge
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 03:44 PM
Apr 2017

It's largely union labor too so he gets 2 for 1 revenge.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
24. I doubt that big cities will suffer much from this item.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 04:08 PM
Apr 2017

The Amtrak routes that run between big cities on the eastcoast are profitable. Commuter rail around big cities is profitable due to ridership. The places that will suffer are small rural cities and towns that Amtrak now run service through.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
15. Bastard!
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 03:51 PM
Apr 2017

I love Amtrak! I doubt that the Northeast Corridor will be heavily affected, but still, it's just a shitty thing to do. Now that means more people on the roads - more traffic, more pollution, more demand for oil. I really hate these bastards.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
25. Wrong. Big, high population cities will be hurt the least from this item.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 04:14 PM
Apr 2017

The areas that will get pounded are eastcoast areas south of Northern Virginia. Areas between San Francisco and LA will suffer, but the cities themselves won't. The areas that will be hurt most are smaller cities that lay between big cities and small regional airports and train depots.

DFW

(54,414 posts)
30. The ones that will suffer most
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 04:21 PM
Apr 2017

These are the people who live in rural, "flyover country" areas not served much by any kind of mass transit at all.

In short, Trump will be hurting them more than anyone else. And they will cheer him on, thinking it's great.

k8conant

(3,030 posts)
33. That would include us in Harpers Ferry, West Virginia...
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 04:35 PM
Apr 2017

even though we're only 60 miles from the Why? House. No other mass transit but the train and a risky-dink bus line.

DFW

(54,414 posts)
35. I can imagine
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 04:47 PM
Apr 2017

You are probably a picture post card representative of the 200 communities that are wondering what they will be doing to get in and out of there other than hitching a ride on the trucks that bring in refills for the local 7-11s and gas stations.

lpbk2713

(42,760 posts)
36. He's making America great again.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 04:52 PM
Apr 2017



He thinks he has to tear it all apart and start all over again.
So far he's making good progress on the first half.

nolabear

(41,987 posts)
38. Oh they can't. How is this possible?
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 05:09 PM
Apr 2017

I've been dreaming of a long train trip down to NO and that bastard is going to take it away?

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