General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRepublicans need to pay a huge price for ramming Gorsuch through
Like, I want this to be political suicide for them. This crap needs to stop. They're not a fucking majority party. I'm over this shit.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Vinca
(50,279 posts)DK504
(3,847 posts)Blaukraut
(5,693 posts)"They made us do it because they obstructed.." Or some such crap. And the public will swallow it, as usual.
Initech
(100,082 posts)The dems need to put their boots up their asses.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)I'm sure they're having a record fundraising day. But they need to go up on the air NOW.
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)May they rot.
bdamomma
(63,883 posts)in by the cheating ways of Mitch McConnell. If Gorsuch overturns Roe vs Wade he will be in for quite a surprise women will be out in the streets.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,317 posts)BSdetect
(8,998 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)We need another LBJ who would not hesitate to use appropriations to kill jobs in the red areas.
He used this threat among others to pass civil rights and voting rights. Works for me.
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)Supreme Court justice, it's one that they truly want and not one that is acceptable to thuglicans. Dems have a tendency (Sorry Pres. Obama), to try to lean towards someone whose "acceptable" to thuglicans, and especially so since this Gorsuch appointment to the high court is a stolen one.
Dems have to stop cow towing to thuglicans.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)It's perfectly allowable under the Constitution. Congress can add or subtract as many seats as they want the court to have.
Take control, expand the court, put the most liberal justices possible in with a simple 51 vote majority and tell them to enjoy the fruits of the mess we created.
SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)But it bends towards justice..."
It will take time.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)They are a majority party in a major way. Damn near from sea to shining sea.
Not only are they a majority party, they have held such a majority that this wasn't even an option for Obama.
I get this won't be popular here, but I would have fully backed the Democrats doing the exact same thing for a SC nominee. The country will respect Republicans for moving forward with their nominee.
DaleFromWPB
(76 posts)Unless you can completely ignore reality.
They have more Senate seats
Dems will lose ground in 2018 but have a great chance of taking the Senate in 2020
They have more HoR seats
Dems should make small gains in 2018 and 2020
If we can get Dems elected in enough states we can correct some of the crooked gerrymandering, we can possibly take the House back by 2022
They have more Statehouses and state legislatures
This is the real battleground. Gerrymandering isn't an issue, we need to start building a farm team of young, dedicated Dems that can grow to be ready for national office. We need young Govs, AGs, House Speakers, that aren't from the coasts.
We need people from Texas, Kansas, Florida, and even people from Utah, N. Dakota, and Alaska.
We need to become a 50 state party or face permanent minority status.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)More Americans vote for Dems for congress (by the millions) More Americans voted for a Dem for President in 2000 and in 2016. It is the electoral college and Gerrymandering voter suppression that have given them the Presidency and the House, and the Senate by its very nature gives far more Representation and power to the small states than the large ones.
California's number of Representatives and votes in the electoral college have not been adjusted in decades- I believe it was actually in the 1910s. Its population has exploded. My vote in California is practically meaningless on the natural scale. Sorry, that's fucking bullshit and undemocratic as hell.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)Gerrymandering is bad enough, no need for hyperbole.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)The cap on the size of congress was enacted in 1929, and capped it at the 435 level reached in 1910. That over time has given more representation to smaller, rural states and less to more populated states. This carries over into the electoral college.
I've read the limit of 435 was to limit the influence of big cities which in 1910 were teeming with immigrants. Most of those immigrants were from countries with a "drinking culture" - Ireland, Italy, Eastern Europe - and were opposed to Prohibition.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)that your claim that California's representation in the House and the Electoral College hasn't been changed in decades or since 1910 or 1929 is simply untrue.
While it's true that California is slightly under-represented in the Electoral College, when it comes to the House, it is better represented than 30 other states.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)That the total number of Representatives in Congress has not increased since 1910, and capping it that way has meant people in more populated states are increasingly underrepresented.
former9thward
(32,028 posts)Republicans got about 3 million more votes in House elections than Democrats.
Republicans captured the majority of the "popular vote" for the House on Election Day, collecting about 56.3 million votes while Democrats got about 53.2 million, according to USA TODAY calculations.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/10/democrats-won-popular-vote-senate-too/93598998/
Calculating
(2,955 posts)They didn't even win the popular vote, and only have majorities due to gerrymandering the hell out of everything. They DO NOT represent a majority of Americans in any way. They're more like a hostile entity that forcibly took over our government.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)explain the Senate? And the governorships? And the state legislatures?
susanna
(5,231 posts)Just read the book "Ratfucked" by David Daley.
Here's a short synopsis...
https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/david-daley/ratfked/
<Snipping some background to highlight a quote>
"Indeed, this is just what happened after the midterm election of 2010, as the GOP captured 63 seats in the House of Representatives and 680 new seats in the state legislatures. Daley takes on each significant state race in turn and notes that despite the countrys pulling more center-left on many issues, the far right is going to be calling the shots until 2020. The author looks at the masterminds behind the strategy and the mapmaking technology as well as the roles of restrictive voting rights laws, dark money, and voter turnout."
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)Gerrymandering has no effect whatsoever on the Senate or governorships.
susanna
(5,231 posts)If the state legislatures are gerrymandered (and they are), there are more of one party to vote on and deliver hyper-partisan legislation to a Governor. If the Governor is of the same party, they win. Since many states have enacted voter restriction measures favoring the GOP, there is no guarantee that any Governor is truly the choice of the people.
But hey, I like your style.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)to gerrymander on an unprecedented scale.
So wrapped around a post that looks legit is a kernel of bullshit that has no place on a democratic website.
susanna
(5,231 posts)Johonny
(20,854 posts)but Dems typically don't have the guts for that stuff. If they take congress they have the power to impeach him and they should use that power. 60 votes or impeach should be their motto. It would get Dems to the polls in 2018 for sure.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)ChoppinBroccoli
(3,784 posts)Oh, you want to stop us from "ramming through" our agenda? Oops, you got rid of the filibuster. Too bad. All this B.S. can be turned around on them.
And then in 2020 when WE control all the branches? Don't do what we did in 2008 and have everyone "rush to the middle" to show how reasonable we can be. Ram through some shit that will REALLY help people.
putitinD
(1,551 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)This stinks. Even if we take the WH and both the Senate and House, that stolen seat is for life. That will be a thorn in our side till a righty Supreme expires.
nikibatts
(2,198 posts)We will play the hand we are dealt. Praying that the current 4 remain healthy.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)It could backfire if we can get 3 more Senators. Maybe If Bannon does as he has threatened, and leaves for places his talents are appreciated, he will vindictively woe the ignorant trumpsters into not voting.