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Republicans need to pay a huge price for ramming Gorsuch through (Original Post) TDale313 Apr 2017 OP
They pushed through a plagiarist who couldn't get a 60 vote majority. KittyWampus Apr 2017 #1
And it was a stolen seat to begin with. Vinca Apr 2017 #2
They are all fucking traitors to me. DK504 Apr 2017 #26
They won't. Somehow they'll blame the Democrats. Blaukraut Apr 2017 #3
We need to stop letting them get away with this shit. Initech Apr 2017 #35
www.dscc.org crazycatlady Apr 2017 #4
The rage must never be quieted. Vile party.... Guilded Lilly Apr 2017 #5
so this unqualified person is bdamomma Apr 2017 #6
What was the "cheating" here? WillowTree Apr 2017 #12
Denying Garland a hearing. Qutzupalotl Apr 2017 #15
It was fantasy to think that any GOP senator would ever deny Gorsuch. BSdetect Apr 2017 #7
Republicans are worse than ISIS, much worse. Dawson Leery Apr 2017 #8
I'm hoping that if a Dem president has a chance to appoint another .... LenaBaby61 Apr 2017 #9
When we gain control of it all again we need to expand he court to 11 seats Lee-Lee Apr 2017 #10
"The arc of the Moral Universe is long SticksnStones Apr 2017 #11
"They're not a fucking majority party." NCTraveler Apr 2017 #13
+1 putitinD Apr 2017 #32
They are a F***ing Majority Party ... DaleFromWPB Apr 2017 #14
They do not represent a majority of Americans TDale313 Apr 2017 #17
Seriously? SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2017 #22
Correcting. TDale313 Apr 2017 #23
Yep Freddie Apr 2017 #29
I'm simply saying SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2017 #36
Which is why I corrected to say TDale313 Apr 2017 #38
Not last year. former9thward Apr 2017 #30
No way Calculating Apr 2017 #20
How does gerrymandering MichMary Apr 2017 #31
Very easily. susanna Apr 2017 #34
You're right on 2 out of 3 SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2017 #37
Actually, it could, and often does. susanna Apr 2017 #39
"Gerrymandering isn't an issue"? WTF do you mean by that? Republicans have used new technology KittyWampus Apr 2017 #24
I'm a bit put off by this line of bullsh!t myself. n/t susanna Apr 2017 #40
It should be Gorsuch's impeachment in 2018 citing improper procedure:) Johonny Apr 2017 #16
Five to 1 turnout for votes should do it uponit7771 Apr 2017 #18
Just Remember It For When We Retake Control In 2018 ChoppinBroccoli Apr 2017 #19
+1 putitinD Apr 2017 #33
Game On colsohlibgal Apr 2017 #21
Well, the GOP just cleared the way for either or both HRC and Obama to become Supremes. nikibatts Apr 2017 #25
Really, don't forget your prayers for 4 after your bedtime story Alice11111 Apr 2017 #28
Ha! Republicans never "pay" for anything. We will pay as we always do Freethinker65 Apr 2017 #27

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
3. They won't. Somehow they'll blame the Democrats.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 01:41 PM
Apr 2017

"They made us do it because they obstructed.." Or some such crap. And the public will swallow it, as usual.

Initech

(100,082 posts)
35. We need to stop letting them get away with this shit.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 08:40 PM
Apr 2017

The dems need to put their boots up their asses.

bdamomma

(63,883 posts)
6. so this unqualified person is
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 01:47 PM
Apr 2017

in by the cheating ways of Mitch McConnell. If Gorsuch overturns Roe vs Wade he will be in for quite a surprise women will be out in the streets.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
8. Republicans are worse than ISIS, much worse.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 02:25 PM
Apr 2017

We need another LBJ who would not hesitate to use appropriations to kill jobs in the red areas.
He used this threat among others to pass civil rights and voting rights. Works for me.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
9. I'm hoping that if a Dem president has a chance to appoint another ....
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 02:25 PM
Apr 2017

Supreme Court justice, it's one that they truly want and not one that is acceptable to thuglicans. Dems have a tendency (Sorry Pres. Obama), to try to lean towards someone whose "acceptable" to thuglicans, and especially so since this Gorsuch appointment to the high court is a stolen one.

Dems have to stop cow towing to thuglicans.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
10. When we gain control of it all again we need to expand he court to 11 seats
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 02:28 PM
Apr 2017

It's perfectly allowable under the Constitution. Congress can add or subtract as many seats as they want the court to have.

Take control, expand the court, put the most liberal justices possible in with a simple 51 vote majority and tell them to enjoy the fruits of the mess we created.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
13. "They're not a fucking majority party."
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 02:36 PM
Apr 2017

They are a majority party in a major way. Damn near from sea to shining sea.

Not only are they a majority party, they have held such a majority that this wasn't even an option for Obama.

I get this won't be popular here, but I would have fully backed the Democrats doing the exact same thing for a SC nominee. The country will respect Republicans for moving forward with their nominee.

 

DaleFromWPB

(76 posts)
14. They are a F***ing Majority Party ...
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 03:04 PM
Apr 2017

Unless you can completely ignore reality.

They have more Senate seats
Dems will lose ground in 2018 but have a great chance of taking the Senate in 2020

They have more HoR seats
Dems should make small gains in 2018 and 2020
If we can get Dems elected in enough states we can correct some of the crooked gerrymandering, we can possibly take the House back by 2022

They have more Statehouses and state legislatures
This is the real battleground. Gerrymandering isn't an issue, we need to start building a farm team of young, dedicated Dems that can grow to be ready for national office. We need young Govs, AGs, House Speakers, that aren't from the coasts.

We need people from Texas, Kansas, Florida, and even people from Utah, N. Dakota, and Alaska.

We need to become a 50 state party or face permanent minority status.


TDale313

(7,820 posts)
17. They do not represent a majority of Americans
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 03:29 PM
Apr 2017

More Americans vote for Dems for congress (by the millions) More Americans voted for a Dem for President in 2000 and in 2016. It is the electoral college and Gerrymandering voter suppression that have given them the Presidency and the House, and the Senate by its very nature gives far more Representation and power to the small states than the large ones.

California's number of Representatives and votes in the electoral college have not been adjusted in decades- I believe it was actually in the 1910s. Its population has exploded. My vote in California is practically meaningless on the natural scale. Sorry, that's fucking bullshit and undemocratic as hell.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
23. Correcting.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 06:35 PM
Apr 2017

The cap on the size of congress was enacted in 1929, and capped it at the 435 level reached in 1910. That over time has given more representation to smaller, rural states and less to more populated states. This carries over into the electoral college.

Freddie

(9,268 posts)
29. Yep
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 06:51 PM
Apr 2017

I've read the limit of 435 was to limit the influence of big cities which in 1910 were teeming with immigrants. Most of those immigrants were from countries with a "drinking culture" - Ireland, Italy, Eastern Europe - and were opposed to Prohibition.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
36. I'm simply saying
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 10:24 PM
Apr 2017

that your claim that California's representation in the House and the Electoral College hasn't been changed in decades or since 1910 or 1929 is simply untrue.

While it's true that California is slightly under-represented in the Electoral College, when it comes to the House, it is better represented than 30 other states.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
38. Which is why I corrected to say
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 11:06 PM
Apr 2017

That the total number of Representatives in Congress has not increased since 1910, and capping it that way has meant people in more populated states are increasingly underrepresented.

former9thward

(32,028 posts)
30. Not last year.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 07:30 PM
Apr 2017

Republicans got about 3 million more votes in House elections than Democrats.

Republicans captured the majority of the "popular vote" for the House on Election Day, collecting about 56.3 million votes while Democrats got about 53.2 million, according to USA TODAY calculations.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/10/democrats-won-popular-vote-senate-too/93598998/

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
20. No way
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 04:19 PM
Apr 2017

They didn't even win the popular vote, and only have majorities due to gerrymandering the hell out of everything. They DO NOT represent a majority of Americans in any way. They're more like a hostile entity that forcibly took over our government.

susanna

(5,231 posts)
34. Very easily.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 08:38 PM
Apr 2017

Just read the book "Ratfucked" by David Daley.

Here's a short synopsis...

https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/david-daley/ratfked/

<Snipping some background to highlight a quote>

"Indeed, this is just what happened after the midterm election of 2010, as the GOP captured 63 seats in the House of Representatives and 680 new seats in the state legislatures. Daley takes on each significant state race in turn and notes that despite the country’s pulling more center-left on many issues, the far right is going to be calling the shots until 2020. The author looks at the masterminds behind the strategy and the mapmaking technology as well as the roles of restrictive voting rights laws, “dark money,” and voter turnout."


susanna

(5,231 posts)
39. Actually, it could, and often does.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 02:02 AM
Apr 2017

If the state legislatures are gerrymandered (and they are), there are more of one party to vote on and deliver hyper-partisan legislation to a Governor. If the Governor is of the same party, they win. Since many states have enacted voter restriction measures favoring the GOP, there is no guarantee that any Governor is truly the choice of the people.

But hey, I like your style.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
24. "Gerrymandering isn't an issue"? WTF do you mean by that? Republicans have used new technology
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 06:37 PM
Apr 2017

to gerrymander on an unprecedented scale.

So wrapped around a post that looks legit is a kernel of bullshit that has no place on a democratic website.

Johonny

(20,854 posts)
16. It should be Gorsuch's impeachment in 2018 citing improper procedure:)
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 03:15 PM
Apr 2017

but Dems typically don't have the guts for that stuff. If they take congress they have the power to impeach him and they should use that power. 60 votes or impeach should be their motto. It would get Dems to the polls in 2018 for sure.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
19. Just Remember It For When We Retake Control In 2018
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 03:42 PM
Apr 2017

Oh, you want to stop us from "ramming through" our agenda? Oops, you got rid of the filibuster. Too bad. All this B.S. can be turned around on them.

And then in 2020 when WE control all the branches? Don't do what we did in 2008 and have everyone "rush to the middle" to show how reasonable we can be. Ram through some shit that will REALLY help people.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
21. Game On
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 04:19 PM
Apr 2017

This stinks. Even if we take the WH and both the Senate and House, that stolen seat is for life. That will be a thorn in our side till a righty Supreme expires.

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
25. Well, the GOP just cleared the way for either or both HRC and Obama to become Supremes.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 06:40 PM
Apr 2017

We will play the hand we are dealt. Praying that the current 4 remain healthy.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
28. Really, don't forget your prayers for 4 after your bedtime story
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 06:48 PM
Apr 2017

It could backfire if we can get 3 more Senators. Maybe If Bannon does as he has threatened, and leaves for places his talents are appreciated, he will vindictively woe the ignorant trumpsters into not voting.

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